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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 03:16 PM
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Sauce for the Gander: Democratic Leadership Does Nothing, Will Use Iraq for Political Gain in 2008
The Republican Party has been leading the Christian Right, members of the Catholic Church and members of groups like Right to Life around by the nose for years--decades even--promising them that if the GOP can just get the White House and a filibuster proof majority in the Senate and control of enough state governments, then they can stack the courts to overturn Roe V. Wade and get a Constitutional Amendment to outlaw abortion. The Republican Party never delivers on this promise, for two reasons. One, if abortion rights were really threatened (for anyone except underage women) the political backlash would be so extreme that the GOP would be voted out of office. The majority of Americans favor abortion rights for adult women. Two, if the carrot was every removed from in front of these anti-abortion voting blocks, they might stop turning out to vote for Republican candidates. Many of them care about one thing only, ending abortion. Once that is done, they will go back to Church and become apolitical again.

The Republican Party has scored a lot of political brownie points by making promises which it has no intention of keeping. W.'s nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court, proved how little he and his party care about abortion. Miers could be counted upon to favor Bush, Cheney and special business interests, but socially, she was hardly a conservative. The religious right was outraged. The nomination was withdrawn. And the social conservatives have returned to the GOP fold, responding the the promises "Just give us time." Some people never learn, right?

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. The Democrats did very well in 2006. Extremely well, thanks to the Bush-Cheney war for oil in Iraq and their profiteering off Katrina and their privatization of social services in the US and the blatant election theft in 2000, 2002 and 2004 and the more than blatant abuses committed by Alberto Gonzales' Department of Justice. America's Democrats and Independents were rip roaring mad at Bush and his kiss ass Republican Congress, and nothing motivates Democrats to get out and vote like anger. Anger is to Democrats what fear is to Republicans. And Democrats across the land promised "Elect us and we will stop the abuses by the White House. We will end the war in Iraq. We will restore government by the people."

Yeah. Right. Now, the Democrats are telling us "So sorry. We need the White House and a filibuster proof Senate before we can end the war in Iraq and stop the abuses and restore your democracy." Where have we heard that one before? From the mouths of RNC leaders, every election cycle for the past umpteen years.

What have Democrats got to gain from doing nothing? They go into 2008 with George Bush as the most hated president in modern times. No matter what your political differences of opinion, everyone can agree that W. is bad for the country. Everyone sounds informed when they are criticizing Bush-Cheney. The Democrats have the never-ending war in Iraq, which the American electorate knows will only be drawn to a close by either a veto proof/filibuster proof Democratic majority in Congress or a Democratic president---why not try for both, just to be sure?

What have the Democrats got to gain from using one of the Constitutional options which they possess to rein in Bush-Cheney and end the war---such as impeachment of both men and defunding the war? Besides ending the loss of American and Iraqi lives and the money sink which makes it impossible for us to rebuild NOLA or fix our health care crisis or repair our roads and bridges or restore the rule of law? They have to worry that voters will say to themselves "Hmmm, looks like our present system of government works just fine. The United States is on the right track. I guess I can re-elect Senator X and continue to vote for Party Y" even if X and Y are Republican.

Bush is playing right into the hands of the Democrats. His stupid, dumb stubborn streak combined with Cheney's desire to keep troops in position for a war with Iran will keep him from doing the politically sensible thing, which is to declare victory and get the US out of Iraq during his presidency, so that the war will be a non-issue next year. And here is one of the dangers in the Democrats' political schemes. As long as Bush-Cheney are allowed to do whatever they want, without fear of repercussions, and as long as the troops are in Iraq for no particularly good reason except to incite violence and to die, this allows Dick Cheney to dream and scheme of starting that war with Iran that he and his Saudi masters so desperately want in order to achieve a Sunni dominated Middle East.

So far, the Pentagon has checked Cheney's Iran War ambitions. However, Dick will soon start getting desperate. The New York Times' Michael Gordon has taken the place of Judy Miller, sounding the drum beat for a new war. The troops are poised. So is the fleet. And Democrats in Congress bitch and moan about how they need sixty Senate seats in order to do anything. Check out this page, and you will see that the Democrats did not have 60 seats in the Senate back in the early 1970s when they called Nixon to account for Watergate and the War in Viet Nam.

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/one_item_and_teasers/partydiv.htm

What did Democrats have in the early 1970s that they do not have now? Spines? Or maybe souls? It sure must be tempting to ape the RNC, telling all those voters that want to see peace in the Middle East and a return to prosperity and the rule of law "Turn out in record numbers next fall and vote for our party and we will make it all happen."

I am a lifelong Democrat, but I am not willing to see this nation suffer through the end game of the Bush-Cheney presidency, knowing how bad it is going to be, just to see my party score extra political points in the next election. That is fascist politics. It goes beyond the politics of anger to the politics of hopelessness, fear and desperation. And it just might backfire. Americans are not stupid. They can tell the difference between unable and unwilling . If they see what the Democrats are up to, they will become apathetic, believing "All politicians are equally unreliable", and they will end up staying home from the polls---which will favor the Republicans, since their base always turns out in elections. Or, disaffected voters will cast their votes for third party candidates, which will accomplish the same thing.

Seldom is there a "right" thing to do in politics, but at this moment the choice is absolutely clear. Go back in time to 1973. Apply the thumbscrews to Cheney first. There is plenty of dirt in Halliburton's no-bid contracts and Cheney's stocks which have risen in value and the energy task force meetings with Enron and the Taliban pre 9/11. Begin defunding the war, if necessary. However, with Cheney under attack and W. afraid for his own political skin, I suspect the war will suddenly become open for negotiation. Never mind that if Cheney is removed from office, this will give W. a chance to anoint Rudi or one of the other Republicans as the heir apparent to the throne. That is political thinking, not right minded thinking. And anyway, being Dumbya's VP for six months might hurt the Republican nominee rather than help him.

Come on Congress. Do what you were elected to do. It isn't as if your poll numbers can sink any lower than they already are.



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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 03:29 PM
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1. Re:Check out this page comment - there was no defunding that stopped the Vietnam war
The Paris Peace Accords on 'Ending the War and Restoring Peace in Vietnam' were signed on 27 January, 1973, officially ending direct U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War - the combat troops were out within 60 days of January, 1973. But there were still American military forces in Vietnam after 1973 (about 10,000 non combat)

Dec 1974, A Bill called the Foreign Assistance ACT cut off all military funding to the South Vietnamese government. The act fixed the numbers of U.S. military personnel allowed in Vietnam: 4000 within six months of enactment and 3000 within one year.

The act in 1974 defunded the what was now only air support and equipment for South Vietnam to continue fighting.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 06:20 PM
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2. You got my KandR
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 06:33 PM
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3. I agree with you 100% here!
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 06:36 PM
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4. The rise in oil prices post '73 is what ended the war
Edited on Sun Sep-16-07 06:43 PM by EVDebs
In David Butler's The Fall of Saigon, and somewhat also in Frank Snepp's Decent Interval, we find that the Pentagon's personnel were complaining that they couldn't even get gas to get to work and felt they'd be darned if they were going to push for more money for Saigon's govt.

access to future oil fields may have started the Vietnam debacle but sustained access to proven fields is what ended it

Spratley Islands
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/spratly.htm

and Nixon's '73 panic plan to seize Saudi oil fields

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/01/02/MNG8G427D61.DTL
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:20 PM
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5. Great Post
K & R, Cuz the Dem base is just not as stupid as the Repug base.

No reason to learn that the hard way.
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Donkeykick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:45 AM
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6. I Understand Your Anger...
over this. But once America goes into something, it is hard for us to get back out. Many things can happen between now and November 08 to make the American public opinion do a 360. So it is best for the Dems to allow George Bush to keep on waltzing through his own sh#t, with the Dems condemning him for it.

The only way I will get pissed off at our party is if the Dems give Dubya anymore leeway for another war--such as with Iran.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:19 AM
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7. K&R
:kick:

TC



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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:36 AM
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8. Dems won't stay home. They'll just go out & vote for hillary...same ole, same ole...
Sure, there are a lot of Dems who understand what is going on, but the masses of Dems are polling for hillary, which shows they just don't get it. Except for a handfull of us political junkies, people don't realize how MUCH trouble this country is in.

Right now, I don't think anything short of a Gore/Clark ticket would ever pull this country out of the abyss, and it just doesn't appear that such a ticket will ever see the light of day.

:kick:
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