My picks for who will win Democratic and RepubliKLAN nominations.

[liberaldemocrat7]

I believe that either Hillary Clinton or John Edwards will win the Democratic nomination.

I believe that either Mitt Romney or John McCain will win the RepubliKLAN nomination.



You can do something about universal healthcare. Read my signature.

[saltpoint]

1. If McCain roars back from the dead, I'll buy you the coldest beer in town.

Wow. That's a bold stroke, that one.

His numbers are really down in the gutter these days.

Agree with you on the urgency of health reform in this country. The next president will have to confront the challenge -- something the current president has failed to do.

[snowbear]

2. Obama or Edwards will win the Democrat nod - easily. And on the rTHUG side....

...I could seriously give a shit.

[PurityOfEssence]

3. Hmmm...

I think you're right about the Democrats, but I don't see either of those guys taking the Republican nomination.

All things being equal, and talking about hypotheticals, I think a black or a woman can be elected president in this country, but not a Mormon. A Mormon who was a Democrat with broad Democratic support might be able to pull it off, but I think it's too hard a row to hoe in the Republican Party.

Mitt's got problems all over the place, and so does McCain.

Quite frankly, weird as it sounds, Huckabee might be the guy. We'll see; it's certainly an odd bunch.

[saracat]

4. Hmm. I see Huckabee for GOP as well.Great minds.....

[Swagman]

5. my psychic wife says the Dem ticket wil be Clinton / Obama !

but we'd like to Edwards/Kucinich or Kucinich/Edwards

[snowbear]

9. Democrats will not elect an unelectable nominee Swag..

Get your psychic wife a new magic eight ball for Christmas!

~~ The stakes are too high to go with HIGH Negatives -

[eweaver155]

43. Obama will not run with Clinton. She would tarnish his image.

He wants the Government to be for the people instead of lobbyist.

[saltpoint]

6. Just for fun, let's say Tom Tancredo wins the GOP nomination.

Next, he chooses Judge Moore as his running mate.

Tancredo-Moore. I like the sound of that.

[saltpoint]

12. Well, I DON'T like the sound of it one bit. They're both way to the right of

Stalin. I know you're only foolin' around, but really, let's not put those two guys anywhere near power.

Even just for pretend, ok?

[saltpoint]

13. Ok, pipe down. I rescind the notion of a Tancredo nomination for the Pukes.

Happy?

[saltpoint]

15. I guess.

[Lasher]

25. Is this what you do when you have every single other person on ignore?

[saltpoint]

28. LOL!

[Lasher]

30. Heh heh. I thought your 'conversation' was pretty funny too.

[silverback]

23. Forgive me...

But isn't pretty much everybody right of Stalin?

I'm just sayin'.

[saltpoint]

29. You bet. It's real hard to work up a case in defense of Stalin.

But if I had to hire a lawyer to do it, I guess I'd call up Orrin Hatch.

[Lasher]

7. Well I agree with you on healthcare but that's about it.

Hillary probably, but polls are currently giving Obama twice as many votes as Edwards, on average.

I think the repuke nomination is still fluid but Ghouliani is polling about twice as many votes as Romney.

:wtf:

And McCain? Are you serial?

:wtf:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

[snowbear]

11. Polls Schnolls ... LOOK, if you want to see DEMOCRATIC NUMBERS, look here!

Close to 30,000 votes on Daily Kos -- (likely more valid that some dipshit phone poll of 1,000 idiots who haven't really been paying that much attention)

August 2007 results----> http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/28/132310/382

Those, plus the actual numbers at Yearly KOS, Take Back America, and every other live Democratic event have shown that Hil-ain't-it.

When will DU'ers remember that at this phase of every primary, the polls reflect what the MSM want them to say.

You'll see how it changes towards the end.

[Lasher]

16. Daily Kos, Daily Schmos

Have you ever helped DU an online poll?

You are correct to say that a large poll sample helps promote accuracy but I am confident that the polls I cited are more accurate than the survey you cited. I'm really not a Hillary fan but I don't think you're right.

You'll see how it doesn't change toward the end. :P

[snowbear]

18. Which candidate are you supporting Lasher?

Yep.. I used to be registered over there (Daily Kos) and I'll be damned if I know where my sign-in info is..

And to ne honest.. the reason I lost my sign-in info is because I so rarely go over there..
I know what you mean by "on-line" polls in general and that KOS's can even be manipulated..

But again, I tend to pay attention to the live events more than any of the MSM or on-line polls. We've only had about three actual events where Democrats have casted votes following an event so far..

Obama won the first one, Edwards one the second (Edwards came in 2nd in the first one, Obama came in 2nd in the second one)

Ah, don't worry ... we'll be fine!!

[Lasher]

20. I like Kucinich but I don't think he'll win the nomination

Next choice for me right now is Edwards. You?

I always wanted to play hockey but never have. It seems such a sincere game.

[snowbear]

22. I'm torn between O and E ...

I will easily support either of them!! (Obama or Edwards)

But I do tend to think that Iowa is going to kickstart Edwards and he will take off big time from there.

[Lasher]

24. That might be.

That kinda thing has happened before.

But I'm bummed out over the caucuses in general. As it is, just a few states get to actually pick our nominee. That's wrong, there should be just one common election date for all primaries.

[penguin7]

44. DailyKOs is full of sh*(

[saltpoint]

8. Freddie Thompson seems a bit, well, lackluster. There's no reflection

off his candidacy. Honestly, I think his being tall actually works against him. It lends a kind of dumpy aura to the guy. Sort of a homespun ogre who's shrewd enough to manipulate people but too scary to make it stick. The early reports from the campaign trail suggest that he's quite underwhelming in person.

He's not much of an actor either, IMO.

But he's doing pretty well in a few early polls, in part because McCain is doing poorly, Romney is so creepy, and Giuliani is so thuggish. By default, Freddie finds himself in contention for the Republican nomination.

[CTyankee]

36. Hey, OC, good charactertizations of the pubs lineup.

All in all they're a scary bunch. As much as us Dems are unruly, our candidate lineup is mostly handsome (JE and BO)and star quality (HC). Kucinich came closest to scary in the last debate with his bad dye job - he needs a warmer hair tone with that flour white face of his. Gravel is our only really old guy but even he was kinda grandpa cute. Dodd looked distinguished, even with a fly in his gray pompador. Even Richardson, tho a bit dumpy, had some liveliness.

[saltpoint]

37. Hi, CTYankee. Yes -- our people beat their people across the board.

I like the way our candidates are. A wide and diverse group for style and all very respectable on substance.

Not so the other team!

[CTyankee]

38. I like it when you post early and often!

Who are you thinking about supporting in the prime? I am on team Edwards but of course I will vote for Hillary if she gets the nom. I'm gonna be in big trouble with my 9 year old granddaughter who is campaigning for Hillary ("we've never had a woman president so you have to vote for her!).

[saltpoint]

39. I am drawn to John Edwards' campaign owing to the emphasis on poverty.

I haven't seen the likes of it since Robert F. Kennedy's 1968 campaign.

I love also Senator Obama's eloquence and brainpower.

I love Senator Biden's resolute clarity on foreign policy and his overall sensibility.

I love Dodd's modesty. He's awfully talented for being so damned quiet.

Don't know how he's going to get there, but a Kucinich White House would lift a lot of boats.

I hope your granddaughter isn't angry with me, but Senator Clinton isn't my first choice. Agree with you that if she wins the delegate count, she will have earned our votes in the general, but I'm with John Edwards for the primary.

There are some major minds in the wings that could shake up the polls pretty fast. Gary Hart? Love him. Wes Clark. Al Gore. And not least, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. These 4 in addition to our already-strong line-up.

Show your granddaughter some photos of Emma Claire and Jack Edwards. It might not persuade her to switch candidates, but it would make Edwards more palatable to her maybe.

[CTyankee]

40. The photos won't do it; this girl is too up on issues (global warming and Darfur are recent

campaigns of hers and she's been at it since she was 7!).

You are so right on all of the candidates and your comparison of JE with RFK is brilliant. But do you remember how diehard Eugene McCarthy supporters villified RFK for daring to take the spotlight off of Gene on Vietnam? RFK was kinda the Hillary of his time to lots of liberals who never forgot that JFK won over Adlai in the '60 convention. Now I NEVER see references to McCarthy, but on DU and other liberal web sites I often see RFK praised as a true liberal progressive! Funny, that history...

Well, I support JE but I think Hillary is going to make it. I trust her with appointing prochoice judges, coming up with a less than ideal health care plan and having a sane foreign policy. I want my country's esteem back and I think she'll do it. Those are 3 important issues for me...

[saltpoint]

41. Agree with you on likely pro-choice judicial appointments under a

Clinton presidency.

I'm counting maybe 2 possibly 3 open spots during the next 4-6 years, and while I'd likely be happy with any of the candidates' appointments on our side, the most attractive aspect of a Hillary Clinton White House would be the appointment of many, many pro-choice judicial folks at all levels of the bench. Not a bad thing at all, and long overdue.

Good point on Gene and Bobby. I admired both. But it is Bobby whose legacy has stayed with me. It's interesting -- they were both extremely well-educated people with sharp, current minds, and unafraid to advance ideas and policies that rocked the establishment.

And both men either read and/or wrote poetry. There was a sense of heightened public service to them, and it was made more potent because it came against the backdrop of a foreign policy failure.

Which is where 2008 comes in. Bush has led us far astray and we need to make a return trip to global problem-solving.

I'm optimistic, but there's plenty of work to be done.

[CTyankee]

46. Thank you for your thoughtful post, You are the only DUer I have encoutered who has mentioned poetry

Interesting! My poets of choice, here in New England of course, are Emily Dickinson and Wallace Stevens, both difficult poets to many people, but wonderful turfs of exploration for me!

Right now I am optimistic about a Dem win in 08. Be it Edwards or Clinton, I think it will happen. I am hoping DU participants will keep their eyes on the prize!

[saltpoint]

47. CTYankee, bless you for the good work in your family that has

produced a politically aware granddaughter.

Keep some poetry on the shelves and let's put our Democrats in the White House!

[CTyankee]

48. "Art always saves you" I read somewhere. And it's true. We don't live by politics alone!

In another context, W.H. Auden wrote "Trust in God, read The New Yorker and take long views."

[saltpoint]

49. I love the Auden quote! It SOUNDS like Auden!

Just a couple more, then I'm out the door to start the day:

“I dream upon the opposing lights of the hour.”

--Robert Frost

“When power leads man towards arrogance, poetry reminds him of his limitations. When power narrows the areas of man’s concern, poetry reminds him of the richness and diversity of his existence. When power corrupts, poetry cleanses.”

--John F. Kennedy


“The highest purpose of art is to inspire. What else can you do? What else can you do for anyone but inspire them?”

--Bob Dylan, Rolling Stone interview, 1978

“Art is an antidote for violence. It gives the ecstasy, the self-transcendence that could otherwise take the form of drug addiction, or terrorism, or suicide or warfare.”

--Rollo May

“Art for art’s sake? I should think so, and more so than ever at the present time. It is the one orderly product which our middling race has produced. It is the cry of a thousand sentinels, the echo from a thousand labyrinths, it is the lighthouse which cannot be hidden... it is the best evidence we can give of our dignity.”

--E. M. Forster, 1962

[DFW]

10. Almost agree on the D side

I can't conceive--at THIS point, it must be noted--of our nominee being
someone other than Edwards, Obama, or HRC: UNLESS for some as yet unkown
reason HRC implodes completely. Then I think Gore jumps in and wins in a
walk, both the nomination and the presidency. Again: that's an "if and only if."

I think McCain is a stretch, and will only come from behind if the Republican
Party is so busy fighting itself that they go for age before ugliness.

Romney I consider viable for now, but only because the rest of them are such
poor offerings. Thompson will enjoy his fifteen days of fame, but it will be,
to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, maybe fifteen days, maybe fifteen weeks,
certainly not fifteen months (of course, note that Rummy was dead wrong when
he used that phrase for Iraq).

Huckabee has made some headlines, but I only see that as a function of how
uninteresting the rest of them are. If he pulls it off, it will be only
because he lacks the obvious negatives the rest of them have to offer. The
thing that strikes me so far is that whoever wins the Republican nomination
will do so because he has less obvious baggage than the others. I still think
Rudy might pull it off by default, although that could be said for any of them.

[JTFrog]

14. I'm assuming those aren't your

choices for the dems given your signature line.

[liberaldemocrat7]

19. Actually I support Edwards and if many people call Rite Aid we can force through hr 676

and place the drug benefit in part B, etc.

[snowbear]

21. Good Lord LD, then edit your main message and only put YOUR..

.. candidate's name in there!

That other name you listed - faghettaboutit!

I know that one of our DU'ers wife makes predictions...

Well, here's another one:

I predict that Senator Edwards skyrockets to the top after IA/NH ..


- - - - -
Uh oh, you can tell it's getting late when you have to start editing every message...

[Double T]

17. Your Democratic choices are very likely.

I think the Rudy 'smile syndrome' will be enough for the masses of mindless rethug minions to follow.

[LibDemAlways]

26. Interesting that you should mention McCain. I

know a guy who runs a political consulting firm, and he thinks McCain might still have a shot, too.

[AnotherGreenWorld]

27. Your latter candidates haven't a shot in hell.

[PresidentObama]

31. Edwards/Obama vs. Romney/Thompson.

It's my dream election. Edwards and Obama arguing they're the kind of change we need, and aren't Washington insiders/career politicians and believe Washington is broken and the country shouldn't belong to lobbyists but the American people. They should be a breath of fresh air in politics, and bring a powerful argument that change will be made when you have someone who isn't so involved in the system they're corrupted by it. It'd be a powerful message.

I have a feeling Romney will be the GOP nominee. And they'll try and balance out his inconsistencies with a conservative like Fred Thompson. They'll represent the status quo, and look like Bush on steroids. If my dreams come true and Edwards is nominated, and picks Obama, I think our ticket could easily beat the Republican ticket.

[saracat]

32. I agree !00% Dream ticket!

[PresidentObama]

33. Edwards/Obama would be hard to beat.

Both connect with voters, have great visions for our country, and represent everything and more that the American people are looking for in the next President and/or VP.

[rucky]

34. Clinton/Obama vs. Romney/Gingrich

you heard it here first

[windbreeze]

35. Clinton vs Guiliani.....n/t

[OHdem10]

42. I monitored TV all week. I am picking up

McCain has gotten an awful lot of positive coverage by
Pundits who count. No Pundit has been willing to declare
him dead. This week --he is back.

I agree with all your candidates except I would consider
Guilliani instead of Romney.

Something tells me Keep an eye on Hucabee.

[slick8790]

45. I agree on both counts.

Romney might seem like a long shot, but he's up where it counts, in the early states. According to realclearpolitics, romney is up a whopping 17.5%(!) in Iowa, and 12% in New Hampshire.

[harun]

50. It will be Edwards vs. Romney

Then I hope Edwards picks Clark for VP running mate.

[TwilightGardener]

51. Romney v. Hillary.