“Hillary, just shut up.”

[IA_Seth]

This the problem I'm afraid Hillary will face, no specifics, just a general "I dislike Hillary" Democrat that gets all the media attention...

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http://www.gazetteonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070906/IOWACAUCUS/70906041/1001/NEWS

CEDAR RAPIDS - When it comes to political allegiances, Larry Long lets a rusty wheelbarrow do his talking.

About three weeks ago, Long stood an old wheelbarrow upright in his yard at 929 19th St. SE and popped miniature American flags in its handles. He used chalk to inscribe a message inside:

“Hillary, just shut up.”

Long said it’s not really a direct shot at Democrat presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton. Mostly, he’s just fed up with all the political rigmarole.

(snip)

Long said he isn’t committed to any political party but he usually votes for Democrats. Of all the candidates, he’s most impressed with Illinois Sen. Barack Obama.

“I think he probably brings the strongest presence in what he says he’s going to do,” Long said.

[Debi]

1. Woman hater n/t

[IA_Seth]

4. That was my first thought...

It's a pretty weak piece of journalism if you ask me!

[Debi]

5. Trying to stir up trouble between Obama & Clinton

The same way Stephanopoulos was at the debate.

[Capn Sunshine]

34. why should he be any different than the posters at DU?

:shrug:

[Ellen Forradalom]

7. Classic misogyny

Shut your mouth and bring me a beer, woman. Yeah, we've come a long way baby....not.

[Debi]

8. It is odd that a person who 'generally supports Democrats' chose

to throw barbs at Clinton and not any of the republican candidates.

In the article he says that she's already had a taste of the White House - I guess being married to the President is just like being the President. I wonder if the spouses of all the members of Congress and the Supreme Court feel the same way.

[snowbear]

11. LOL.. your little banner is too funny!

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[PurityOfEssence]

19. How do you get that from this?

Is misogyny at the heart of ALL dislike of Hillary? If so, wouldn't that mean that misandry's at the heart of support for her?

How is a statement like this "anti-female"? Men get told to shut up all the time.

What's the comparitive volume of her PR versus the others? Since she's got so much money, it may well be that she's the one he's heard of the most. Who knows? I've carefully re-read the article and there doesn't seem to be any crypto-misogyny there; am I missing something?

Not all racists are white and not all sexists are male; bigotry's an equal-opportunity affliction.

[Debi]

23. So maybe this guy just happened to pick the one woman in the race

to tell to shut up rather than selecting ANY of the 14 other (male) candidates - just a mere coincidence?

As for Clinton's presence vs. the other candidates in Iowa - Huckabee/Romney have received quite a bit of press as a result of the straw poll. Obama, Richardson, Biden are all on the air with adds (as well as Clinton but one no more than the other). Even as a Democrat I have received mailings from Guliani, Tancredo, Hunter, McCain, Brownback. I have also received mail from Obama, Biden, Dodd and Edwards. So I don't think the Clinton camp holds a higher presence than other candidates to make her more visible or more open to attack.

[PurityOfEssence]

25. Well, neither of us knows, so we're left to speculate

She's the most famous of the bunch and she's way ahead in the national polls. She gets far and away more national publicity, and the chirping is of her being almost guaranteed the nomination at this point. If she's not getting significantly less proportionate airplay there than here in California, she's still getting more attention than anyone else.

Maybe he IS a wife-beating backwoods swine, but there's no real evidence.

The gender issue is a huge one, yet it's hardly mentioned at all. Intimations keep cropping up that if one doesn't like her, one simply doesn't like women, and this is not only tiresome but flat-out wrong.

[Debi]

26. I disagree that she is the most famous of the bunch here in Iowa

I'd say that Edwards is just as well known as Clinton (and probably known personally by more Iowans than Clinton). No matter what national polls or national press are saying or doing, in Iowa Edwards, Obama and Clinton are getting very much equal attention (with Richardson, Dodd, Biden, Kucinich actually seeing some press - different from other parts of the country).

Edwards is more approachable and is easily more accessible (and is around Iowa more than Clinton). It would seem that if the man was tired of presidential candidates in general, he'd lash out at the candidates that have been around Iowa more often and stayed here longer. Instead he chose the only woman in the race.

[PurityOfEssence]

30. John Edwards is better known than Hillary Clinton?

That's probably not true anywhere on earth outside of his immediate family. Even Emma Claire said she'd vote for Hillary.

Yes, Edwards has really worked Iowa, both this time and last time, but his name wasn't even heard on the national scene before 1998, and she'd been EXTREMELY FAMOUS WORLDWIDE for six years at that point.

I still don't see how this is taken as "proof" of misogyny, and I'm tired of the one-way battle being waged on the subject by many of the Clinton supporters: to them, the gender issue isn't any source of support or providing her any advantage, yet endless claims of it being a bias against her are bemoaned ad infinitum.

[Debi]

31. Well, you would know better what is happening in Iowa than I would

And your opinion would seem to be the only one.

[PurityOfEssence]

33. And you would know what's in this man's mind because you're closer

I'll still stand by it: there's nothing in this man's little lawn project that smacks of misogyny at all, and for people to project that says lots about themselves. Unless there's some special dialect you speak (or chalk, in this case) of which I'm unaware, there's nothing in this that suggests misogyny unless the listener is biased to presume it. Nothing. Please show me something.

Supporters crying "wolf" whenever she meets resistance is long past annoying. Many of the supporters who ONLY support her because she's a woman will look one right in the eye and deny it. This comes from the feeling of entitlement often felt by the downtrodden: the system's rigged against them, so they needn't be held to laws, rules or generally accepted norms of comportment, yet they still have every right to demand that those not unquestioningly allied with them MUST.

My not being in Iowa really shouldn't have any bearing on my interpretation of this yard-art installation unless I'm missing some significance of one of the elements that only a local would get. It's a good thing he didn't accidentally leave a hoe around; that would probably be pointed to as the smoking pun.

There are going to be plenty of instances of snide or insinuating gender slurs leveled at her; save your ammunition for those. If you blow it now, nobody'll listen when the real wolf comes to town.

[Dude_CalmDown]

36. This has nothing to do with Hillary being a woman..

He says he mostly votes Democratic - if you have ever considered voting for a Democrat, then in this election there is simply no way the notion of voting repuke even crosses your mind. You don't see them as a bunch of white men and therefore not people to take your frustration out on - you just don't fucken see them. If you have at least a half of a brain cell in your head you don't even consider them a possibility. So it's no surprise he didn't mention the pukes. Of the remaining people he could have singled out, it's no shock to me that he chose Hillary because that's who I would have chosen to take my frustration out on as well. Why? Of the Democrats running (and I use the term "Democrat" loosely considering how many of them have no fucken clue how to be one), there are only a few that get all the attention: Clinton, Obama & Edwards. Of those three, Clinton is the one closest to the squatter in the whitehouse on issues that matter to most Americans. So here she is, of the party that I and I think this guy so wants to vote for, and what she decides to do with disproportionate amount of microphone time she gets, is spout off a bunch of shit that makes me want to bang my head into the wall and put a piece of duct tape on the TV where the "(D)" is after her name. This has nothing to do with sexism - just utter frustration at being force fed a candidate that isn't even close to the change you know this country needs.

[durrrty libby]

2. Small minds small thoughts

[AlCzervik]

3. i bet he posts at DU in this forum.

[Cameron27]

6. !

:spray:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

9. the real issue is whether the wheelbarrow had

one or two wheels. The two wheelers were designed by socialist, terror-loving, anti-american gay, transvestite, child-abusing, hate-mongering liberal, Democrat Party supporters.

[TwilightZone]

10. "not really a direct shot" - how Republican of him.

In other words, "That's not what I meant."

Interesting how people say something quite direct and then claim that its directness was unintended. The Bush Administration is loaded with masters of this.

[illinoisprogressive]

12. The democrat who has a general malaise towards hillary usually gets no attention

The fact of the matter is that Hillary has enjoyed a totally free pass by the media and generally little is allowed to seep through to the news outlets about anything not flattering and building up of Hillary.
The media has picked her to be their Bush of 2000 candidate. The one they most want to have a beer with and therefore torpedo anyone running against her or daring to say anything not supporting of her.

[illinoisprogressive]

13. Accusing those of being woman haters because they don't like Hillary is a lazy argument.

Especially when alot of democratic women, myself included, do not like her and never will.

[Tellurian]

14. ARG Michigan poll: Clinton 43%, Obama 21%, Edwards 14%

Larry is in denial...Hillary burys her rivals in Michigan.

September 6, 2007

ARG Michigan poll:

Clinton 43%, Obama 21%, Edwards 14%

[calteacherguy]

15. The primary won't matter, only the general election will.

And with Hillary, we will lose.

[saracat]

16. For once, we agree!

[Tellurian]

18. Then step aside for the people for whom it matters!

[wyldwolf]

21. because your magic 8 ball says so?

[Maribelle]

22. "Hillary has enjoyed a totally free pass by the media"?

Are you talking about the media in some remote third world country? Or are you just joking?

Hillary's high negatives are a direct result of the "librul" media in the United States of American kowtowing to every neocon political hack's hate mongering.

[paulk]

28. "totally free pass by the media" ??????????

She and her husband have been trashed by the media for the last fifteen years!

get real.

[Vickers]

17. "he usually votes for Democrats"

I'm an astronaut!!!

[Forkboy]

20. "Shut up"....the two ugliest words in the english language.

On edit - Unless Moe from the Three Stooges is using it. :)

[zulchzulu]

24. He probably hates Pelosi and Boxer too

It's kind of a childish message to put on his wheelbarrow, frankly. It smacks of a general ignorance of the issues and differences between the candidates.

I hope he puts his wheelbarrow upright and takes the election a little more seriously.

[Orangepeel]

27. Yeah, I believe he's really impressed with Obama

he just feels free to express his sexism when it comes to Hillary but is afraid he'll look bad if he disses Obama out loud.

[Broke Dad]

29. Let's just replay the Obama You Tube 1984 parody of Hillary . . .

Hillary is losing and will lose the Iowa caucuses. I had the pleasure of introducing Edwards to a crowd of 200 people in little Tipton, Iowa last Sunday. It was Edwards second visit to Tipton. It was a mixed crowd and they had to set up extra chairs for the larger than expected crowd. The Edwards staff had planned on 75 to 100 people in a town of that size. Even with the extra chairs, a lot people were standing. I even saw a few people that I know are registered Republicans. My barber in Iowa City, probably our most liberal city, sees Edwards winning the ground game there.

So slam the independent blue collar voter with the wheelbarrow . . . he counts just as much, if not more than flamers on DU.

[Debi]

32. But Hillary is the most famous of all the candidates...

See up thread.

:eyes:

[Cha]

35. Not a good idea to tell

anybody to "just shut up". Even buSHIT can dribble all the fuck he wants, afaic, so people can hear "just" how stooopid he is.

This isn't a gawdamn buSHIT rally.