Do you seriously dislike one of our presidential candidates?

[Colobo]

One thing is to support a candidate over the others, and another thing is to actually having something against one or more of our candidates. It seems to me that a big numbers of DUers are actually against a certain Democratic candidate or candidates.

So, do you seriously dislike one or more of our candidates?

[jgraz]

1. You should have a "no" option

Assuming not everyone dislikes you, that is. :P

[snowbear]

88. Yep on the nope.

Actually my response to this poll would be, I don't seriously dislike any of them, but I have serious concerns over Gravel or Clinton getting the nod.


I just do..

[kid a]

2. Why do you hate Hillary??

:)
:evilgrin:

[liberalmike27]

35. Near Republican

She's more of a Center-Party candidate than a Democrat. She represents no real change over typical politics. Now is she left of Bush, well yea, Ghengus Khan was probably left of Bush/Cheney.

We really need to get a Democrat, like Edwards back into the Democratic Party. I hope a bridge doesn't have to fall out from under you guys before you realize this.

That said, I guess I don't "seriously" hate her. But I think she's one of the worst candidates. I don't much care for Biden either.

[MUSTANG_2004]

84. Her primary ideal seems to be

that Hillary Clinton should be president. Bill was like this up to a point, but not like Hillary.

While many candidates seem to be primarily interested in their own election solely because of ambition (I think it was true of John Kerry), it seems to be especially true of Hillary. One of the reasons I liked Al Gore in 2000 was that he seemed genuine in wanting to make a difference.

[Warren DeMontague]

3. Biden can take his draconian RAVE act and go fuck himself.

That's a posthumous public service message from Uncle Bobo.

[sandnsea]

9. That's it? That's your big bitch??

For real? With everything that's going on in the world, all the truly lousy votes every single candidate has made, Biden and the RAVE bill is the one that you draw your line in the sand over???

[Warren DeMontague]

12. No, they all have made mistakes. But I told you. Bill Graham is speaking from beyond the grave

and he says Joe Biden and his outsized bloviating ego can all go fuck themselves. :hi:

"With everything that's going on in the world", part of which is a never-ending assault on our freedoms and our Constitution and the BILL OF RIGHTS; an assault that has been exacerbated to no end by this administration, but has been waged in recent decades most egregiously through the use of the idiotic, ill-conceived, wasteful boondoggle known as the so-called "drug war"--- of which Biden's moronic RAVE act was a part.

Now I'm certain you've never attended a rock and roll show where any single person was smoking a joint in the audience, so I understand why it wouldn't strike you as maybe the slightest bit odd that the promoters of said show could be thrown in the slammer for 10-20 years under Biden's thoughtfully crafted legislation for that egregious act of joint-smoking. I know, God Forbid anyone should criticize Kindly Old Joe Biden :eyes: or otherwise disturb the piling onto Hillary that this thread was invariably designed to be.

Okay, whatever. Is that the "one where I draw my line in the sand", honestly? Naaaah. I don't know. I will support our nominee, obviously, even if it's Biden. (Just like I KNOW all the DLC centrists will gleefully support Kucinich when he wins the nomination) But what the fuck, I figure someone ought to say something about that stupid law. :shrug:

[jillan]

17. You must really enjoy saying FUCK

No wonder why you are soooo upset about a vote against a drug.

[Warren DeMontague]

21. Uh huh. A "vote against a drug". Care to explain or justify or back up that assertion?

How do you "vote against a drug"?

I voted against alcohol last year, but he stole Florida's Electoral Votes anyway.

Uh, the RAVE act wasn't a "vote against a drug". Leaving aside whether you can "vote against a drug' or whether voting against a drug would be a good thing or whether or not being against a vote against a drug would make someone say "fuck" a lot, the RAVE act has nothing to do with any of that. It was a badly crafted piece of legislation that turns anyone who puts on any kind of show where anyone is doing any kind of illegal substance in the audience (like smoking a joint) into a serious felon.

Tell me I'm not going to have to say that again. Please. Read that sentence over and try to comprehend what it means.

Ever seen a rock and roll show where someone in the crowd is smoking a joint? Do you even know who Bill Graham was? Certainly, for folks who cut their teeth on Celine Dion concerts I might as well be speaking Swahili, here.

Yeah, I know, I'm like toootally sooooo upset fer shure but at least I can, like, read and stuff. OMG WTF OMG!!! I'M SERIES!

Or to quote the late, great, Bill Hicks- who also said "fuck" a lot- "Looks like we got us a reeeeeeader, boys!"



Here's a friendly suggestion. Next time you decide to weigh in, you might want to attempt to grasp a tiny bit about that which you're weighing in on. Mmmmmmmkay?

[Forkboy]

25. "Whatcha readin' for?"

Now,"what are you reading",but "what are you reading FOR".

Damn,I miss that guy.

[Totally Committed]

28. Bill Hicks was a genius.

And, uh, CSN&Y, Boston Garden 1972... the contact high lasted for DAYS. LOL!

TC

[Bucky]

75. Bill Hicks was droll, caustic, iconoclastic, and pretty predictable. But hardly a genius.

He was entertaining. He had great stage timing. He died too soon. But calling himself "Noam Chomsky with dick jokes" is equal parts conceited and false advertising. Chomsky consistantly expands my mind. Hicks on his best routines rarely got more than a "heh, cool point, dude" out of me.

[mitchum]

85. Actually, I don't think he had great stage timing...

he did have some great lines, but there was a lot of rambling and dross surrounding those beautiful poison pearls.
I know that's a heresy, but nevertheless...

[LBJDemocrat]

30. It's funny how

of all the issues affecting millions of people's lives, your priority is the Ecstasy bill. Because who gives a fuck about the American worker or the disabled veteran.

Or maybe you want to impress us all with your hip-ness.

[Warren DeMontague]

50. Yeah. That's it. I want to impress YOU, specifically.

Listen, Jack- my PRIORITY is the CONSTITUTION, the BILL OF RIGHTS, and the RIGHT OF INDIVIDUALS TO CONTROL THEIR OWN DAMN BODIES.

I'm sorry issues like personal freedom and the wide-ranging assaults on our civil liberties don't seem to matter to you. I realize that you are someone who would like to dictate to "us" what issues should be important, as evidenced, for instance, by your threads hectoring "us" to support anti-choice candidates. (I can find a link if you need it.)

YOU don't give a flyin' hoot for a woman's right to choose, for instance. We know that. I have no idea who you're trying to "impress" with that line of argument, hell, maybe you genuinely feel that way.

But the point of this thread (and a flamey one, at that) was to ask people what bugged them, specifically, about specific candidates. I gave my answer, (or actually, as I put it upthread, it was raised partially tongue-in-cheek as one issue that I felt someone ought to at least bring up-- in the midst of what was clearly designed as a pile-on on HRC. But maybe you missed that part) and you know, I will give it again if you feel the need to continually tell me that I don't have the right to my opinion or you want to second-guess my reasons for stating it.

If you don't like it, too damn bad. The OP asked a question, and I answered it.

[PatSeg]

42. Personally I think pot should be legal, but this is not a one issue

campaign.

When a large percentage of the population is hungry, jobless, and homeless, THEN you'll probably see pot legalized in an attempt to placate the disgruntled masses and generate needed tax revenues.

[Totally Committed]

45. The only thing that needs to happen for pot to be legal is for Big Pharma to come up with a way

to make all the money from its sale. Once that happens, they won't care if we get high in church.

TC

[PatSeg]

47. And you know that they will.

I'm sure there has been some plan filed away for years, along with patented formulas. Then comes "designer weed", "scented pot", "new improved enhanced formula", and lots of pretty colors and enticing packaging. The state and federal government can tax it and everyone's happy.

[Warren DeMontague]

48. Right, but the RAVE act was a turd any way you slice it.

Sorry, Biden's near the bottom of my list. For that as well as a slew of other reasons. He still smells way too much like a Neo-Con for my taste.

[PatSeg]

53. We all have our own unique sense of smell

and I understand where you're coming from, but I can't find any candidate who agrees with me on everything. Biden still comes out on top for me. I don't "smell" Neo-Con, but you may have a better nose than I do. Glad we can disagree civilly.

[Warren DeMontague]

58. And like I said upthread. If he wins the nomination, I will enthusiastically support him in the gen.

Same with all the rest of 'em.

[PatSeg]

60. Likewise

I don't think I can survive another republican presidency. Our choices are so much better than any of theirs and I don't think the republicans can cheat their way into the White House this time.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

78. Fuck! Did you say FUCK?

Anyone else?

Just wondering.

(I don't understand - how do you vote against a drug?.....)

[Bongo Prophet]

91. Joe is a really smart guy, but he went very authoritarian regarding the war on some people.

Those people being those who ingest unapproved substances, and the people around them listening to trancey music.
Raids on public gatherings.
Increased sentences and slanted hearings in Congress.
Sucking up to Bill Bennett, Barry McCaffrey and on and on.
Mandatory minimums, treatment/incarceration as a carrot/stick approach to punish a subversive sub-culture that by and large are not "hard" drug users at all, but empathogens and other mild psychedelics. It was just badly debated, bad faith pandering - I watched in horror on c-spam back in the day. It pained me especially since I often applauded his sharp tongue when applying to GOP hypocrites. Still do.

So I can understand why ImpeachDubya and others who paid attention at the time to not forget when someone equates you with the lowest scum and deserving of hard time for enjoying the transcendent in unauthorized ways.

I am sorry it is hard for you to understand. Maybe if a subculture that you identify with has been mis-characterized, stereotyped, imprisoned?
When Bill Bennett said he had no ethical problem with beheading casual users, only political ones, it kinda hits home that he is serious. Realize he just meant someone smoking a joint. Even cancer patients, or AIDS, etc.

It was a similar feeling with Biden in the 80s and 90s. He has softened his stance somewhat - I would love to hear his views in retrospect. As I said, he is a smart guy, and sometimes people get wiser as they age.


No punishment for drugs should be harsher than the harm caused by using those drugs, to paraphrase Jimmy Carter.

Anyway, think about it please. He failed on some basic human rights issues, and is good on others - I always thought if one could just get him out of his DC mindset and in authorized and legal MDMA sessions, he would come out with more human compassion. He has had great personal pain in his life, and would probably find it useful.

[eridani]

4. How about if you don't dislike any of the candidates--

--but you dislike some of their proposed policies and/or political associations?

[FloridaJudy]

39. I'm there

The worst Democratic Candidate is light years better than the best the Republicans have to offer. So - though there are some I prefer to others - I can't say I dislike any candidate enough to want to see him/her lose. Doesn't mean I "love" them all, though that's how I voted. It just means that each has strengths and flaws, and I want to see the strengths bolstered and the flaws addressed and corrected before the general election.

The future of the planet depends on it.

[AtomicKitten]

5. only one vote?

[emilyg]

8. That gets my vote.

[Trajan]

6. How bout a 'Do You Disagree with Anyone' poll ?

How bout a 'Which Coke do you like best' poll ?

I would love to see a 'Which DUer is the most divisive' poll ....

Try one of those .....

[jillan]

11. I like your sig line.

Good ol' Byrd! You gotta love how he still has so much fight left in him.

[Greyhound]

7. It's too bad that we can only vote once, there are two that I seriously dislike, and for very

specific reasons. Since only one is in the "top tier", that's where I cast my vote.

[emilyg]

10. My friend - why are you doing this?

[AtomicKitten]

13. therapy?

:shrug:

[emilyg]

15. Good reason.

[AtomicKitten]

16. Well, the one vote makes it interesting.

Jeez - I'd rather vote like this in a "who do you hate?" poll than go 20 rounds with basher.
Seriously, I'm worn out.

[Name removed]

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[Raine]

18. I seriously dislike more than one

since I could only vote for one I voted for the one I disliked the most and looks like others dislike her the more too. x(

[Truth2Tell]

19. Hmmmm, let me think....

[TSIAS]

20. Yes

But since it's late and I don't feel like arguing, I'll leave the answer to myself.

[Steepler0t]

22. 5 for Kucinich?

So much for standing up for the little guy.

Step off freeperkreeper trolls.


Hey Dennis and Liz :yourock: and we :loveya: ya

(Well most of us at least.)

[LeftCoast]

23. Uh oh. Thoughtcrime violation!

Call the cops! Someone doesn't like DK so they obviously must be a freeper. LOL

[CTyankee]

27. I guess some people don't care for him. I know that while I like many of

DK's ideas he does not particularly appeal to me as a candidate. I don't dislike the man and I think he should be in every debate possible because he adds to the intellectual content. But electability is another thing, sad to say. I guess I've seen too many good, decent liberals go down in flames, consigning us to bad, indecent Republicans who screw everything up til the next election.

OK, that makes me hard hearted, I know...

[Bucky]

74. Thank you. Good catch.

The truth is that if a politician isn't pissing somebody off, he isn't really doing his job. But instead of wearing other peoples' ruffled feathers as a badge of honor (which probably what Dennis himself would do) the poster has to attack the legitimacy of anyone who disagrees with him.

There's a word for that sort of behavior, by the way: McCarthyism.

[auburngrad82]

24. Actually I think this is the best candidates we've had in a while

Compared to what they will be running against I can and will support any of them.

[saltpoint]

26. No. I have favorites in every election cycle but participate in the understanding

that my favorites will not always win.

I liked Mo Udall better than Jimmy Carter, Gary Hart better than Walt Mondale, and so forth. In November, the ballot gives me a choice of allowing someone like Nixon or Bush to appoint Supreme Court Justices or someone like Mondale or Carter to appoint them, and I'm going with Mondale and Carter every time.

The debate regarding our party's primary, IMO, should be about how to conduct the primary and not about whether so-and-so sucks more than such-and-such sucks.

I'd like a more condensed schedule, allowing for all candidates to have maximum chance to raise money and organize. Do a 17-17-remainder rotation drawing states at random between early April and early May. 6 weeks is all we need, set late in the Spring instead of just after Christmas.

[zulchzulu]

29. I voted "I love them all"...

...but wish polls could have a multiple choice capability. It's not that hard to program.

What is obviously revealing are the lop-sided results... wow.

[mikelgb]

31. I need multiple choices

[Poll_Blind]

64. Ya, same here. n/t

PB

[corkhead]

32. I don't "seriously dislike"any of them but there's one I am afraid will cost us the general election

if she is nominated, but I am not going to name names.

[zabet]

33. I voted

but, being as my asbestos underwear are currently in the
wash...I will not say who I dislike. (psst..it ain't Hillary)

[FormerDittoHead]

34. I voted for (against) Mike Gravel after hearing him on Mike Malloy...

...anyone who supports the "fairtax" is "seriously" either in my "they don't know the fuck what they're talking about" or in my "they're trying to stick it to us" column.

I know his record, and that he was on the tax committee, blaw, blaw, blaw, blaw.

Oh, and just about everything else he talked about except for getting out of Iraq was bullshit too, along with his condescending way of addressing questions.

[maximusveritas]

51. Me too

Gravel gets on my nerves everytime he opens his mouth, mostly because he focuses on attacking other Democratic candidates instead of the Republicans.

[FSogol]

36. Biden is a blowhard

Where was all his "tough" talk when dealing with Bush these last 6 years. Now he can spout truths? That said, I'd still vote for him without hesitation if he got the Democratic nomination.

[Hieronymus]

90. Biden is running for a cabinet position .. he hasn't got a chance.

[progressoid]

37. Where's the option for "indifferent"?

[smoogatz]

38. I'm seriously lukewarm about the whole crew.

I seriously can't get excited about any of them, one way or another.

[lojasmo]

40. I oppose a Clinton candidacy, but I'm told she's very nice. EOM

[huskerlaw]

41. I seriously dislike a Clinton candidacy

I have nothing against her personally.

[Blue_In_AK]

43. I seriously dislike Hillary Clinton

and I wish I didn't, because I used to like her. This is just my perception, but it seems to me that she's lost the idealism that I thought she had back in the '90s and has taken on a more calculating and cynical persona. Maybe she was always that way and I just didn't notice -- or maybe we're all more cynical these days, including Mrs. Clinton. For some reason, I just don't trust her.

I'm really not thrilled by any of the candidates. John Edwards probably comes closest, but he still doesn't inspire me. I'm still hoping for Al Gore.

[JNelson6563]

44. To some degree but

I find there are a handful of supporters from each campaign that are intolerable. Some I even suspect of pretending to be for who they ssay they are for simply because their behavior does the candidate more harm than good.

Julie

[GreenArrow]

46. Edwards

Fake, snake oil selling, plastic, manipulative, sanctimonious, smug, self-promoter.

Biden, most of the above, plus insufferably arrogant.

[H2O Man]

49. Other.

I don't hate any of them. I have mixed feelings on most of them; I do not consider that to be a "bad thing" -- I have mixed feelings on almost everyone I know.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

52. The one who thinks using racism to win votes is acceptable nt

[Poll_Blind]

54. Too bad there isn't some way to enter multiple choices. n/t

PB

[Poll_Blind]

55. SELF-DELETE n/t

PB

[ProudDad]

56. You didn't have my answer

I "Don't Seriously Dislike Any of Them"...

[Milo_Bloom]

57. Multiple choices, but Edwards is the worst..

Wouldn't vote for Edwards, Clinton, Biden or Dodd.

[Poll_Blind]

59. kick... n/t

PB

[venable]

61. I dislike HRC, a lot, but if she gets nominated, I will vote for her, and campaign for her.

I want to like BO more than I do. I think, I hope, I will in the future, but if he gets the nomination, I will stand on street corners holding Obama signs.

[Colobo]

63. I hope he wins you over before the primaries start. He has what it takes.

[venable]

65. It will be a happy day for me when I agree with you.

I see the possibilities, but not yet the realities.

So for me, right now, it's Edwards and Dennis who truly, bravely speak truth unadorned to power.

I definitely think Obama could be, COULD be, the most powerful of them all. But not yet.

The change necessary for me to embrace him as you do can not come from me, it needs to come from him. I'm watching and hoping.


With Edwards I feel an almost zealous commitment to radical and lasting change. A return to the discussions of the Constitutional Convention, not the discussions of the halls of Congress and K street.

I think he should surround himself with the social workers he dealt with in Chicago. I think he should jettison everyone with a DC connection. Then something magic would, or could, happen.

(I also think Michelle should never once again refer to herself, and her journey, and her sacrifice - that is really getting under my skin, and I unfairly carry that over to her hubby, and it feels, therefore, less visionary, more 'fun' than it should be...ie there's just too much Oprah in the personal stuff. To be totally fair, it also annoys me when my guy Edwards refers to himself, except when it is used to explain the personal, biographical source of his anger at corporate destruction of the commonwealth. But when it's about him as the messenger - welll I wish he didn't do that, just like I want Michelle to stop telling us what campaiging is like for her.)

my real wish - Elizabeth Edwards for President.

[illinoisprogressive]

62. sorry, but I just cannot bring myself to give her my vote regardless.

[LeftishBrit]

66. I seriously dislike all of your Republican candidates!

[ludwigb]

67. Biden Is the only one I wouldn't vote for in the general...

I'd vote for Paul before Biden. Don't particularly like Clinton (DLC policies) or Gravel (kind of an a-hole) either, but I'd definitely support them in the general.

[SoxFan]

82. You'd prefer President Romney?

President Huckabee? President Thompson? President Giuliani?

You'd vote for a guy who wants to abolish Social Security, guy environmental protections, and do away with pretty much every form of legal protection for workers? A guy whose foreign policy is grounded in the worst sort of isolationist nonsense, who would do away with any sort of humanitarian assistance for developing countries?

Wow.

[HamdenRice]

68. Hillary is the only Democrat who would make me stay home

on election day or vote 3rd party.

[beastieboy]

69. I'm just happy that this place doesn't represent the majority of America

Because she has a very good chance to win and will make a great president. I love how people will swear not to vote for Hillary. Wouldn't that be great if all the Hillary supporters swore they wouldn't vote for Obama? or Edwards? You'd call us childish and immature. And you'd be right.

[Mojambo]

70. No, but I have irreconcilable differences with one of them. n/t

[Poll_Blind]

76. Indeed! n/t

PB

[Clark2008]

71. Edwards is a phony. eom

[Gravel2008]

72. Lots of dislike for Hillary! No surprise there...

She's brought it on herself. I can stomach most of the others, but SHE will make me go 3rd no question.

[rucky]

73. I'm ambivalent

about most of them.

I'm intrigued by Obama & Gravel. Biden seems cool.

I like Edwards.

Love Dennis.

[mentalsolstice]

77. Other! I don't seriously dislike any of the candidates, but...

I'm starting to seriously dislike a certain candidate's supporters. x(

[EndElectoral]

79. How can someone with a 61% dislikeabiltiy rating get grassroots support from the base?

I can tell you there is an even greater than 61% dislikeabiltiy rating on her if you polled Repubs. Who are these vast numbers of peope voting for her?

[illinoisprogressive]

80. lol. someone said they are happy DU doesn't reflect the america people. i got news

1. we are the american people
2. the majority of americans, about 75% has not made up their minds hard and fast yet.

[Poll_Blind]

81. Yeah, I think the "DU does not represent the rest of the country" meme...

...is bunk.

PB

[plusfiftyfive]

83. I wonder why anyone who "seriously dislikes" ....

Any of the candidates is thinking more about their personal biases rather than about America, and the terrible state we are in after 7 years of Bush.

Another Republican President is NOT an option for the USA! Think about that when you cast your vote in the final election, no matter WHO it is. I certainly prefer certain people over others in the primary race. But to "seriously dislike" any one of them is rather childish, don't you think?

[AnotherGreenWorld]

86. I dislike Edwards, Clinton, and Dodd.

[AnotherGreenWorld]

87. I also dislike Richardson.

[Skittles]

89. not really

my problem is I don't seriously like any of them - they are all so-so to me

[leaninglib]

92. The hypocrite, Edwards.