Top 10 reasons to Support Hillary for President.

[William769]

1. To end the war in Iraq.

2. To achieve universal, affordable health care.

3. To create good jobs for middle-class Americans with the right investments in modern infrastructure and in new clean, energy efficient technologies that reduce our dependence on foreign oil and combat global warming.

4. To provide world-class education, from universal pre-kindergarten to affordable college for all.

5. To promote 21st century scientific innovation, including stem cell research.

6. To return fiscal responsibility, move back toward a balanced budget, and safeguard Social Security and Medicare for future generations.

7. To restore competence and end cronyism in Government, with a President who cares about and works for Americans who have been invisible to this Administration.

8. To combat terrorism, strengthen our military, and care for our veterans.

9. To restore Americas standing in the world and repair our alliances.

10. To build a more tolerant, united America, working to achieve big goals again, with a President who's ready to lead from day one.

[truebrit71]

1. ROFL!!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Oh wait...you're being serious? :wtf:

[saracat]

3. Ditto!

[YOY]

6. Tritto

n/t

[jgraz]

12. A great illustration of why people can't stand the Hillary campaign

It's not just that they're trying to ram a triangulating corporate shill down our throats. It's that they think we're fucking retarded. Going after the dumbass vote is how REPUBLICANS win elections, not Democrats.

[YOY]

16. There is a reason why some of us don't vote Republican

and a candidate's vocal love of Jesus, American Idol, and big business ain't preaching to us.

[liberaldemocrat7]

86. 2. To achieve universal, affordable health care.

Unless it says single payer and that payer appears the US government it will not help everyone.

Anyone can offer universal healthcare but that could mean that you have to pay for it.

Massachussetts universal health care as far as I recall does not get paid by Massachussetts. It forces everyone to have health care but does not pay for everyone to have it.

[Dr.Phool]

57. Quadro

[ChiciB1]

77. Quadritto!! Or MORE! n/t

[bvar22]

84. Bingo. Lets take it by the numbers:

"1. To end the war in Iraq."
Hillary has no plans to end the War/Occupation of Iraq.
She has reassured AIPAC/MIC/Exxon that she will keep Combat Troops in Iraq indefinitely to:
*Fight AlQaeda (whoever she decides that is)
*Train Iraqis (How's that working so far?)
*To protect American (Corporate) interests. (Read: to enforce the "oil Law" which legitimizes the theft of Iraqi Oil)


"2. To achieve universal, affordable health care.
Has anyone seen Hillary's HealthCare plan? I haven't. I don't think she has made it public.
Why not go public with a HealthCare Plan? Its an important issue. Voters need to know.
Maybe its because of all the money Hillary has taken from the FOR PROFIT healthcare industry.
This is a pretty good indicator that the Hillary HealthCare plan will be an enhancement for the CEOs of the FOR PROFIT system, like taxpayer funds diverted to the pockets of the FOR PROFIT Industry to subsidize healthcare for some people. She may call it "Universal HealthCare, but it is not.
These types of "Affordable HealthCare" plans do NOTHING to bring down the high cost of the FOR PROFIT system.


3. To create good jobs for middle-class Americans with the right investments in modern infrastructure and in new clean, energy efficient technologies that reduce our dependence on foreign oil and combat global warming."
Hillary may actually do this, but she has also pledged to send many good American jobs to India. Maybe American Workers will get lucky and we will break even, but that hasn't happened yet with the Pro-Free Traders.


"4. To provide world-class education, from universal pre-kindergarten to affordable college for all."
This sounds great. So what's the PLAN? How is Hillary going to do this?
EVERY POLITICIAN who has EVER run for office has promised to improve Education....even George Bush....remember?
What does Hillary really mean by "universal pre-kindergarten"? does she mean "Universal FREE pre-kindergarten"?
I will need to see the nuts and bolts of Hillary's Education Plan before I buy this one.



"5. To promote 21st century scientific innovation, including stem cell research."
Doesn't EVERY Democratic Candidate support this? Why is this a reason to vote for Hillary in the Primaries?


"6. To return fiscal responsibility, move back toward a balanced budget, and safeguard Social Security and Medicare for future generations."
Again, is there a Democratic Candidate who opposes this? Why support Hillary as this is a common issue.


"7. To restore competence and end cronyism in Government, with a President who cares about and works for Americans who have been invisible to this Administration."
Hillary is a part of the MACHINE. Her connections to the DLC and romance with Corporate lobbyists convince me that little will change. Bush's Republican cronies will be replaced by FOR PROFIT DLC cronies. Admittedly, Clinton's cronies will be more competent than Bush's, but I want REAL change in our government and some of our other candidates don't have such a strong allegiance to The MACHINE (Status Quo).


"8. To combat terrorism, strengthen our military, and care for our veterans."
This one is REALLY scary. Some DUers believe that Hillary is just pandering to the Right. Isn't she supposed to pander to the LEFT during Primaries, and then RUN right after the nomination?
I believe she is SERIOUS! She plans to INCREASE the military by 100,000 and INCREASE the Defense Budget. She plans to funnel even MORE money (which we don't have) into the pockets of the MIC.
She plans to continue the Bush legacy of the Military approach to "Fighting Terrorism" instead of a saner Kerry like approach of International Law Enforcement. Expect the "War on Terror" to surge during a Clinton administration. Her strong connections to AIPAC demand this.


"9. To restore Americas standing in the world and repair our alliances."
How is this different from any other candidate? :shrug:


"10. To build a more tolerant, united America, working to achieve big goals again, with a President who's ready to lead from day one."
Hillary has record HIGH negatives. 25% absolute HATE Hillary and will NEVER change, another 20% merely dislike her strongly. Hillary will NEVER unite America. She will be fighting the Screaming Right Wing Haters from Day 1. EVERY other Democratic Candidate has a BETTER chance of "UNITING" America than Hillary.
Wanting a "more tolerant, United America" is a reason to vote AGAINST Hillary.


I congratulate you on your post...really. Most Pro-Hillary posts are void of issues. I respect anyone who will argue ISSUES and not just spout empty pablum copied from a campaign website.
:patriot:

[LWolf]

87. Good job, and thanks.

I couldn't decide whether to

:rofl:, :wtf:, or do what you just did. You said it for me, so now I can just

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[jgraz]

101. Yes, excellent work

More than I have the patience for at this point. :toast:

[rjones2818]

110. Quadrutto!

:evilgrin:

[HeraldSquare212]

2. I'll support her

who is this Hillary?

[cosmik debris]

4. She and 10 other candidates hold those positions.

So why HRC?

[Countdown_3_2_1]

80. Bingo! Every canidate running says the same exact things. (nt)

[jgraz]

85. But Hillary says it in a higher voice

That must be the difference :shrug:

[Clark2008]

112. And with cleavage, apparently.

I don't think she has a higher voice than Kucinich, actually.

[Totally Committed]

5. You oughtta send this to David Letterman!

You're pulling our legs, right?

I'm laughing my mascara off! That's hysterical. :rofl:


TC

[Burma Jones]

7. Gee, will she whiten my teeth too?

Sorry, it's not Hillary (TM) specifically, it's the whole marketing tone the endless campaign has to take so we might keep our interest going for two years....But, Hillary(TM) is a brand and by golly, she's lookin' to be Number One......I guess that's what it takes these days, it makes me fucking sick though, and frankly, the GOP is better at branding.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

8. Links, please

for pages that explain her positions on each of these topics. Thank you.

[William769]

10. Do your own homework.

[Stephanie]

15. wow!

shut up and vote for her!

[William769]

19. Now where did I say that?

[Name removed]

23. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

89. The reason I politely asked for links

was, at the time, I was at work. I can go to DU and post when I'm not doing my job answering phones, but can't go googling things and stuff like that. I was hoping you would cite her official website so that I could be sure I had the "real deal" and could find her positions on issues easily so that I could go read them. Now that I am home, of course I have the time and ability to do so. I'm just informing you of my reason so that you would realize that sometimes the request for citations is because of limitations as I described above, and that merely a courtesy was asked for.

[slick8790]

25. Wow.

You ask us to support your candate, give us vague reasons and then tell us we need to look it up ourselves? Sorry, that's YOUR job if you're trying to convince us to support her.

[William769]

26. Knowing who you are on DU, thats funny!

:rofl:

[slick8790]

51. What the hell does that mean?

I swear to god, all the hillary supporters do is act like they're too damn smart to respond intelligently, then use the rofl smiley.

[jgraz]

55. It means he thinks he's still winning the argument as long as he keeps typing

Kind of like Hillary's Iraq policy, now that I think about it...

[YOY]

27. Welcome to the wide world of Hillary supporters

Now try asking them this one "Why should I vote for someone who approved 'the patriot act' and voted for the Iraq war?"

You'll never get a straight answer. The best I got was "She realizes she made a choice that she, at that time, thought was best for the American people." Yeah...right...

[Clark2008]

113. Ditto Edwardians.

[Hollow Shells]

67. Well William796

That post asking for a link seemed to be a sincere response to your post. When you don't provide the information it weakens your argument. It is bizarre to me that people who are trying to explain the worthiness of a particular candidate refuse to give links to sources.

[zulchzulu]

96. With this kind of homework assignment, it will take months to prove the points

Can ya give us the crip notes, maybe...

:shrug:

[jgraz]

9. It must be nice to have such a rich fantasy life

Who will be her running mate? The Tooth Fairy? :rofl:

[emilyg]

13. Her running mate will be Obama or Edwards

[Name removed]

66. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[emilyg]

82. Who are you to say I shouldn't have an opinion.

[RaleighNCDUer]

70. No way, for either of them, if we should be so silly as to nominate her.

Richardson, maybe. Strong DLCer, of a completely different demographic, with plenty of executive experience as well as former cabinet member...

Hell, why not Richardson/Clinton? He's got everything she's got, and more.

[earthlover]

97. Didn't know Senators got running mates.She ain't gonna win.she will give a speech at the convention.

[emilyg]

11. That's why I support her.

[Tellurian]

22. Yep..the same ole gnashing of teeth!

They have a candidate that has no, zero, zilch, chance of winning the electorate's votes...

Then have the nerve to use the word retarded against others.

Hillary's website for the research impaired:

http://clinton.senate.gov/

[madame defarge]

14. Reason # 11

To make sure the republic party wins the 2008 election presidential election.

Sorry, Hillary fans, but she's exactly who the republic party wants us to run. It's so damn obvious.

[jgraz]

21. Well, not exactly

I do believe the Rethugs think they can beat her like a dog, but even if she wins they're still going to be in great shape. She'll keep all of their greedhead trade and corporate programs in place while providing them with the best money making/party building tool since her hubby was in office.

Nothing would do more to restore KKKarl's dream of a permanent rethug majority than nominating Hillary for president.

[Tellurian]

29. What a pile of crap...

and to think you actually you believe your own spin!

Rove loves people like you. You make his job soooo much easier!

[jgraz]

30. Feel free to prove me wrong

Or we could just wait for Romney's acceptance speech...

[William769]

31. Try this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3471475&mesg_id=3471475

[jgraz]

35. Cool -- and where's the map that shows her overturning NAFTA?

Like I said: either way, the Rethugs win.

[William769]

36. Thats not what you said.

I see you backpedaling again.

[jgraz]

41. Dude, my post's like, 2 inches above this one.

Anybody can read it. Right up there ^^^^

To repeat: The Rethugs think they can beat her but in the end, they don't really care. They win either way.

[William769]

43. Your right, it's right there.

"Or we could just wait for Romney's acceptance speech..."

[jgraz]

47. Your (sic) really not that dumb, are you?

Seriously, do I have to tag every letter with the sarcasm smiley so you don't get your wittle brain all confused?

[William769]

50. You seem to have a problem with the truth.

Just keeping you honest, and thats a full time job!

[jgraz]

53. Sorry, my monitor just melted from an irony overload

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Tellurian]

34. I'm sure you will be there for your ThankYou card!

[jgraz]

39. That's good -- you should practice blaming the left now

It's getting harder and harder to do as the Dems keep nominating weaker candidates. When the oppo research hits the day after the convention, just remember who told you so.

[Tellurian]

49. How could I forget a parrot DU'er?

Theres nobody stronger than Hillary capable of beating the RW'ers to a pulp!

She is generous to a fault.. Even for Polly-

[zulchzulu]

94. Get a refund from your pot dealer, bubba

You are definitely on something...bad Mexican skankie? That's my guess.

[jgraz]

105. No worries. I love being compared to a parrot

They're wonderful, loving creatures. And most of them are far smarter than the hillbots on this forum. SQUAWK! :rofl:

My Gnocchi's for Obama

[Tellurian]

107. And well you should..

Animals have better sense than the supporters Obama attracts..

[jgraz]

108. See, I already made that joke

It's called originality. Try it sometime. :hi:

[Tellurian]

106. Lovely, send that advise to your candidate...He's tanking fast!

[jgraz]

109. Maybe if you put down the blunt you'll learn how to spell "advice"

Damn, are all of Shillary's supporters subliterate?

[Colobo]

17. William, you are talking about Obama, right?

[William769]

20. That picture you are using of Obama.

It's a subliminal message to all his supporters on his chances of winning the nomination.

[zulchzulu]

37. Dude, don't go there....

You want pics of Senator Clinton that make her look....um.... nevermind.

[William769]

40. I didn't post the Picture.

[jgraz]

42. Ooh! We're posting candidate pics?

Here's mine!!



Lovely couple, aren't they?

[William769]

45. Love her smile. Thanks!

[zulchzulu]

46. They look so happy together! Ah... who's the guy?

:sarcasm:

[jgraz]

48. I suspect "the guy" is the future head of the FCC under President Hillary

[William769]

52. I see your using that crystal ball again.

[jgraz]

54. I see your (sic) using you're (sic) 4th grade grammar again

[William769]

56. You seem to love to try to belittle people with your supposed superiority?

Do you reach orgasm when you think your belittling someone's education?

[jgraz]

59. Hey, you don't need my help

Your (sic) doing just fine on you're (sic) own.

[William769]

60. Thanks for making my case.

[jgraz]

62. Heh, now you want to lose the meta-argument as well

No thanks, other posters find that boring. Please return to thinking up bullshit lists about Hillary.

[William769]

63. There that backpedaling again.

BTW, I'm not the only one that knows your MO.

[jgraz]

65. What, do you think I'm "conceded"?

:rofl:

While your (sic) off licking you're (sic) wounds, you make want to look up the definition of "backpedaling". I do not think that word means what you think it means. :hi:

[zulchzulu]

92. Watching a big cat batting around a small mouse is...um...entertaining...

:rofl:

[jgraz]

104. It did get kind of pathetic after a while, didn't it

At least the cat can eventually put the poor creature out of his misery. Somebody needs to teach that boy when to stop typing.

[zulchzulu]

91. Please refer to this page regarding the usage of "your" vs. "you're"

http://www.english-zone.com/verbs/your1.html

Please post your results.

:rofl:

[zulchzulu]

90. English 101 lesson: Your vs. You're

I know. It's so hard. I mean (drum shuffle...)

Your is when you talk about someone's stupidity. Like "your stupidity about _______ is embarrassing and vapid."

The usage of the term "you're" refers to what some may refer to as "slang" or a shortcut for "you are".

Your = a singular possessive term

You're = refers to "you are"

Take this test to see if you can pass:
http://www.english-zone.com/verbs/your1.html

[zulchzulu]

88. Call me a Double H, but I could actually see that...

Fucking scary!

[Stephanie]

71. Do you have the wide shot that shows him slipping the cash in her pocket?

What about one of her with Cheney fundraiser Tom O'Gara?

[jgraz]

76. No, the wide shot also shows where her hand is and that would get my post deleted

:evilgrin:

[zulchzulu]

93. -

[obnoxiousdrunk]

18. List looks

pretty good if it's true.

[slick8790]

24. More here!

11. Resurrect Jesus; Hold parades in honor

12. Strangle Osama Bin Laden with her bare hands

13. Allow entrance in to new age of humanity: "The Hillarydom"

Sorry, but those are pretty much the most generic reasons for supporting someone. You could change the title to "Reasons to support _____" and they could be for any democratic candidate. THEY'RE ALL SAYING ALL OF THAT. Are you really that naive that you would think these would convince people? Aside from that, i'm convinced hillary would do the least out of any of those 10 out of any of the democratic candidates.

[zulchzulu]

58. You forgot an essential reason or two

I like your additional list.

Here's mine:

14. Be willing to share candy at White House meetings with ALL those in the meeting.

15. Will pet and even walk Presidential dog on a regular schedule and not be shy about cleaning up dog turds.

16. Will wake up EVERY morning with a sense of joy and appreciation to help out America AND the Universe.

17. Will wear really cool clothes that make people think you know what really good taste is.

18. Will make the janitorial staff feel like they aren't just janitorial staff when burning the midnight oil.

19. Will solve ALL the problems that need to be solved in three years so everyone can take a year off.

20. A baby's arm holdin an apple.

[slick8790]

61. How could I forget those!?

I've shamed myself!

[zulchzulu]

95. You were damn close. I didn't mean to make ya feel bad...

Oh yeah, one more.

23. Willing to accept that being President means to be a person that is President in a presidential-type presidentish way.


I think we have it all covered now.

[zulchzulu]

28. That list would actually apply to any of the Democrats running

Obama certainly stands for all that you listed.

[JNelson6563]

33. That's what I thought too

:toast:

[Tellurian]

38. Except his poll numbers aren't reflective of the same result...

thats the problem with your analogy..

[draft_mario_cuomo]

73. Obama's plan would not end the war and his health plan is not universal nt

[Ron Green]

32. Item #10: You're supposed to capitalize "Day One." Also some of the other

vague terms need the little "trademark" symbol beside them.

[ieoeja]

44. Appealing to a shrinking base I see.

"3. To create good jobs for middle-class Americans..."


What about the ever expanding working-poor Americans? What about restoring Labor rights?

NAFTA is one of those places I am all for giving in to a part of the Rightwing agenda. They want individual States to compete against one another, so I say we make pro-Labor laws a condition for indivudal Provinces (in Canada) or States (in USA and Mexico) to participate in NAFTA. You want to export your goods tariff free, you have to meet a minimum wage, support Labors right to unionize, and drop those "right to work" laws.

[Dr.Phool]

64. Mark Penn will take care of restoring labor rights.

:sarcasm:

Just in case.

[huskerlaw]

68. Wow, really?

I have not heard Hillary say anything that leads me to believe she would successfully achieve ANY of those 10 items.

This must be Hillary v.19.92, not Hillary v.20.07.

[Colobo]

69. Check out her health plan! I don't think there's anyone that can compete with that.

[eridani]

75. Real universal single payer health care can compete with her boondoggle

Any plan allowing private insurance to continue to steal money from the pool of health care dollars is a failure by definition.

[Lerkfish]

79. Agreed, private insurance IS the problem.

Unless you get rid of them wholesale, the abuses continue.

[DrFunkenstein]

72. You Should Work for the Campaign...It Sounds Exactly Like Press Release-Speak

I'll take another few jabs:

"End cronyism"? From the lady who brought you Lincoln bedroom rates per night and a get out of jail free card for Marc Rich? I won't even go into her connections with the health care industry, to name just one of the several lobbying groups that she has cozied with. I'll just let you know that she is ranked second in contributions from the Securities and Investments industry (behind Lieberman).

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.asp?Ind=F07&cycle=2006


"Strenghten our military"? I don't doubt that she will do this, but almost certainly in a way in which the Democratic base would not support. I won't even begin to list what actions she considers "on the table." I don't need someone who will use military action as a prop for their own "toughness."

"United America"? Do you really think Hillary is the person to unite America? Triangulation is not the same as unity.

[Totally Committed]

74. This thread is a hoot! n/t

TC

[Lerkfish]

78. um, I'm confused about some things in your list

1. To end the war in Iraq.
= She very recently, again, made the point that the surge is the right strategy, it just wasn't implemented early enough, and that we need to prepare for the next war. I'm confused how that squares with your #1. Actually, it appears to be the diametric opposite.

2. To achieve universal, affordable health care.
= Cool. What is her plan?

3. To create good jobs for middle-class Americans with the right investments in modern infrastructure and in new clean, energy efficient technologies that reduce our dependence on foreign oil and combat global warming.
= Cool, that would be great. BUt How will she actually do that, when she supports NAFTA and outsourcing currently? What energy efficient technologies are you talking about?

4. To provide world-class education, from universal pre-kindergarten to affordable college for all.
= Cool. how is she going to do that?

5. To promote 21st century scientific innovation, including stem cell research.
= Cool. promoting them how? Government grants for research would be a good start. What is her plan?

6. To return fiscal responsibility, move back toward a balanced budget, and safeguard Social Security and Medicare for future generations.
= Cool.

7. To restore competence and end cronyism in Government, with a President who cares about and works for Americans who have been invisible to this Administration.
= Cronyism is a thorny issue for both sides of the aisle. Historically, its always been there, and was when Bill was president. Traditionally, plum positions are given to those who work hard or donate huge to campaigns. If she is saying she will not do that, I applaud her. However, that's an easy promise to make BEFORE election, and impossible to prevent AFTER the election.

8. To combat terrorism, strengthen our military, and care for our veterans.
= Now, see, here's the problem: how do you reconcile your reason number 8 and your reason number 1? For the record, I think you're more accurate here. I do believe she believes in strenghtening our military, in order to tackle the "next war". She is a bit too hawkish for my blood.

9. To restore Americas standing in the world and repair our alliances.
=Cool. How? refer back to number 8. In lightof that, how is she going to repair alliances? by strengthening our military? not gonna work.

10. To build a more tolerant, united America, working to achieve big goals again, with a President who's ready to lead from day one.
= Tolerance is a good thing. Somehow, though, I find that an odd claim from the DLC, who kept telling us progressives to abandon gay rights in order to win elections, that we didn't win anyways (presidential). I have to scratchmy head at a DLC candidate spouting "tolerance" when every "centrist" dem spends a great deal of time attacking the "looney left" . Not a very tolerant history, there.

[The River]

81. Great Satire!

Next you'll be telling us pigs can fly?

[Forkboy]

99. And I was starting to think satire was dead here.

:)

[lojasmo]

83. Hillary helped cause #1, #8, and #9 EOM

[illinoisprogressive]

98. I have 20 reasons not to!

[1620rock]

100. ...sigh, all the repukes have to do is sit back and watch this display

of stupidity.

[jgraz]

102. Yes, democracy is so STUPID

So much better to join the mindless parade of the inevitable hillbots.

[TSIAS]

103. Are you referring to the OP?

[gorekerrydreamticket]

111. "with a President who's ready to lead from day one" ....

Since when has she ever shown any successful leadership? She seems more like a "go along to get along" follower to me...