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Hollow Shells Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:04 PM
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Dept. of Peace
There is currently a bill before the U.S. House of Representatives (HR 808). This landmark measure will augment our current problem-solving options, providing practical, nonviolent solutions to the problems of domestic and international conflict.

Domestically, the Department of Peace will develop policies and allocate resources to effectively reduce the levels of domestic and gang violence, child abuse, and various other forms of societal discord. Internationally, the Department will advise the President and Congress on the most sophisticated ideas and techniques regarding peace-creation among nations.

http://www.thepeacealliance.org/

Q: Why should the American public support the Department of Peace?

A: There is currently no organized approach by the U.S. government that aims at creating nonviolent solutions to domestic and international conflict. A violent response to violence should always be our last resort, which is difficult in the absence of a sophisticated, well-funded strategy for peace. While certain applications of brute force – from prisons to war – are arguably necessary, as a nation we should still be actively involved in a search for their ultimate end.

By giving the interests of peace a full cabinet position, we make it a national priority. Peace becomes a national goal to which we aspire, as we analyze all domestic and foreign policy in light of its dictates. While the President and Congress remain the ultimate arbiters of our laws, with the Department of Peace they will have a higher level of consultation regarding nonviolent options to brute force.

Q: Does a Department of Peace duplicate the Department of State?

A: No.

First, the Department of State handles only international matters, while the Department of Peace will operate both domestically and abroad. Second, the State Department deals exclusively with other "States," i.e. recognized governmental entities. While such an approach was adequate throughout most of the post WWII era, there is obviously now a greater need to deal creatively, if not diplomatically, with non-state agents. The Department of State plays an important and pivotal role in American diplomacy, and nothing in this legislation would change that. The Dept. of Peace, however, will augment the efforts of the Department of State, as well as the Department of Defense. Its work will go beyond “intelligence-gathering,” to a pro-active search for non-violent solutions.

We should be as sophisticated in the ways we wage peace as we are in the ways we wage war. Former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, speaking of his leadership during the Viet Nam War, said, “We knew nothing about Vietnamese religion, psychology or culture – and we had no one to tell us.” With a Department of Peace, that would never be the case. This department would be actively involved in studying the most human aspects of conflict, and applying ways to resolve them peacefully.

Q: There are so many departments not getting the funding they need. Where is the money for the Department of Peace coming from?

A: The current bill calls for budgeting the Department of Peace at 2% of our defense budget. With over 400 billion dollars now spent on military-related expenditures, it should not be asking too much to spend the equivalent of two per cent of that amount on providing complementary problem-solving options. From our police departments to our schools to our fire departments to our military, we are dangerously overstretched in our capacity to respond to violence. Clearly, we should do everything possible to resolve conflict peacefully before it manifests violently.

Beyond that, we are at a point in our history when we must consider the deeper costs of violence, including the increasingly dangerous possibility of nuclear war. There should be no amount considered too much to spend for the search for a nonviolent future.

Q: People have been violent forever. Isn't that just how people are?

A: While it can be argued that people have been violent forever, we have not had the proliferation of nuclear bombs at our disposal with which to express our violence. This is not like any other time in human history. We must evolve past war, or war will end our evolution.

Today we have at our disposal, along with highly-skilled practitioners, techniques for conflict-resolution and peace-building that should be swiftly added to our national response systems. The Department of Peace would be the agent for the integration of these techniques into our governmental functioning both domestically and abroad.

Q: Can the Department of Peace be construed as anti-war, considering the controversy surrounding the United States' involvement in the recent war in Iraq?

A: The Department of Peace is not anti-military. If anything, it is an aid to our military, providing ideas and techniques to make its work easier. Peace-building techniques are not substitutes for war-making techniques. The two are not opposites but complements. What could be a greater aid to our military than a sophisticated effort to make active duty on the battlefield less necessary?

Q: Why can’t work such as the Department of Peace legislation espouses be left to other agencies to integrate into their already existing efforts?

A: Obviously, peace work can be and in some cases already is a party of existing agencies. When such efforts are placed under one umbrella, however – such as in the establishment of our Department of Homeland Security – then they attain a higher level of synergy, effective co-ordination and influence upon the thinking of American citizens.

The establishment of the Environmental Protection Agency by Richard Nixon did not begin our commitment to the environment, yet it raised it to a much higher level of national priority. And so should it be with the interests of peace.

http://www.thepeacealliance.org/content/view/53/68/
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angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:18 PM
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1. Love the idea
but you know they will just screw it up. It will be the most ignored department in washington. Peace is bad for business
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Hollow Shells Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:27 PM
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2. It almost seems like
It almost seems like they are predicting your scenario on the international level with this statement; "The establishment of the Environmental Protection Agency by Richard Nixon did not begin our commitment to the environment, yet it raised it to a much higher level of national priority. And so should it be with the interests of peace."

A Dept. of Peace could raise awareness for future generations.

If the Dept. of Peace is resisted or sabotaged on the international level by corporate interests, it will probably still succeed on the national level in regards to domestic and gang violence. If this is all it can accomplish then I believe that it is still worth 2% of the defense budget.
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:37 PM
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3. Hate the idea
Too Orwellian. It's like the Ministry of Peace, or the Ministry of Love...
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Hollow Shells Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:40 PM
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4. How so?
Could you be more specific about which aspect of the plan you don't like. Your comment was pretty vague, the whole idea of government could be seen as Orwellian.
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TruePatriot44 Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:41 PM
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5. We don't need more corrupt government
If you want peace promote it through various private organizations like the Red Cross that will do a lot better than government. Creating another department of the executive branch is useless when you have a neo-con or some other despicable person running it.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:58 PM
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6. No corruption at the Red Cross
just keep moving. nothing to see here.
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Hollow Shells Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:03 PM
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7. With that logic
We should get rid of WIC, well-fair, public education, child protection services,...
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:11 PM
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8. I think it's a great idea.
If we're going to make a cultural shift from aggression to negotiation, from empire to community, from competition to cooperation, we have to have a focus and a structure to begin with.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:17 PM
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9. yes...
It's an idea too long in coming. Kucinich has been talking it up lately. Check out his pic in yesterdays NYT lined up with the rest of the candidates at the ABC Iowa debates... flashing a big old peace sign!

Peace rocks! Give it some funding!

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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:57 PM
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14. He flashed it to George Stephanafalopagusuchandsuch
at the ABC debate also when he finally got to answer a question (on faith/prayer) but it was a great move.

the peace sign, its time has come again.
dp
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:26 PM
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10. I too love the idea. And I think the EPA analogy is helpful
Despite nervous, knee-jerk opposition, the Department of Peace will involve a -- dare I say it? -- paradigm shift. It will encourage us to "think differently" in the way in which we approach problems. The only way the Department of Peace will become anyway Orwellian is if we continue to rape, pillage, and conquer in the name of freedom as we have been doing in the past.

People's uneasiness with the Department of Peace reminds me of the blank stares I get when I ask about whether there are any labor programs on TV or radio. There are an abundance of business shows: Wall Street Week, Nightly Business Report, Marketplace, whole networks devoted to Wall Street and money, etc., but not one labor show. We aren't even equipped with a vocabulary to cover labor issues on network TV, so it makes people uncomfortable and causes others to ridicule the whole notion. It's the same with the Department of Peace. It doesn't occur to people that this is even a possibility and that we've been systematically conditioned to think narrowly.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:37 PM
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11. Glad you dared to say it...paradigm shift is what is needed.
Changing the way people view this world has to start somewhere. I think a Dept of PEace is a perfect place to start.

:)

DK rocks.

Peace
DR
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:56 PM
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12. Thanks! By sheer happenstance...
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 10:58 PM by RufusTFirefly
... I found myself holding up one end of a Department of Peace banner during a march in San Francisco. Seemed almost like fate. I originally stepped in to help someone who couldn't possibly hoist the banner herself. I had no intentions of becoming a standard bearer for the DoP -- I was just trying to help out a stranger -- but in retrospect, I was glad I did.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:45 PM
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13. Thats pretty cool.....funny how things work out sometimes...
Fate....usually never boring.

:) DR
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 01:56 AM
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15. I think we should have a Dept of Fun, too.
It's something we should encourage, and devote a department of government towards. :sarcasm:

Seriously, it's the stupidest idea ever in politics in my life.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 03:11 AM
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17. why do you think a Department of Peace is so stupid?
Edited on Wed Aug-22-07 03:23 AM by Douglas Carpenter
I have not given a whole lot of thought to the concept myself. But I cannot understand why the idea should not be at least considered as a possibility.

I'm just curious why someone would just completely reject the idea out of hand without any consideration.

Or is this just an emotional thing?

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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 11:27 AM
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23. I'm campaigning for a Department of Cute.
www.cuteoverload.com
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 02:57 AM
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16. no $$$ in peace . . . at least not for arms dealers, mercenaries . . .
"defense" contractors, and such . . .
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 04:47 AM
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18. You beat me to it.
Great idea, but there's no money to be made (or fleeced from the taxpayers) in peace. That's why we're still in Iraq & will remain there for the forseeable future.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 11:47 AM
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24. The Machine would NEVER allow it.
War, weaponry, defense infrastucture--all of it, is the LARGEST industry on the planet. The most powerful of corporate concerns. The Machine has its bloody fingers in just about nook and cranny of our government, not to mention ALMOST ALL of our national "elected" officials. The Machine consumes most of this country's wealth and resources.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 04:50 AM
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19. Dumb idea
Edited on Wed Aug-22-07 04:55 AM by Aya Reiko
Form how they describe it, we already have it.

It's called the Departments of the State, Justice, and HHS.
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Hollow Shells Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 12:48 PM
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25. If you go back
and reread it, you will see that your concern is addressed.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 09:45 AM
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20. Kick for an awesome idea!
Peace, not war.

TC


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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 09:54 AM
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21. Peace, love and understanding.
Still just funny stuff to most Americans. Very sad.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 11:25 AM
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22. Can we change the name?
"Department of Peace" just sounds... wrong somehow. It's a good idea if it's not allowed to override judgement when violence is necessary, but the name just throws me off.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 03:49 PM
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26. As soon as we change the name of the Department of Defense...
Edited on Wed Aug-22-07 03:49 PM by rucky
to Department of War, which is exactly what it is.
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RFKJrNews Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 04:27 PM
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27. right on
Edited on Wed Aug-22-07 04:33 PM by RFKin2008
Good point...actually, it used to be called "the War Department". Throughout most of our history, we had a "secretary of War," not a "sec'y of Defense."

The Department's name change from "war" to "defense" is a 20th century phenomenon. Here's the backstory:

"The United States Department of War was the department of the United States government's executive branch responsible for the operation and maintenance of land (and later air) forces from 1789 until September 18, 1947, when it became part of the National Military Establishment, renamed on August 10, 1949 as the Department of Defense. The War Department was headed by the Secretary of War, who was also a member of the President's Cabinet. The War Department was also referred to as the War Office."

(SOURCE: Wikipedia) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_War
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 12:45 AM
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29. Sounds good to me n/t
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That Is Quite Enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 10:14 PM
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28. I'm sure somebody's already pointed out how Orwellian this is, so I won't bother.
Edited on Wed Aug-22-07 10:24 PM by Snicker-snack
But I do believe it'd be a good idea if it actually worked for...y'know...peace. Which is unlikely. But whatever.
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