Kucinich won the original ABC debate poll, so they put up another one ? wtf

[New Earth]

This was just posted from his myspace:

A short time ago it had been brought to my attention that ABC has reposted a poll very simular to the one that Dennis has won.

It seems that they may be a bit supprised or ruffled to find that he did.

Dennis won that poll fair and square.
Won't it really be statement if he wins it again?

Check out the new poll that has been posted...

click here...
ABC and THEIR polotics

or paste this to your browser...

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Decision2008/story?id=3478895


Thank you,
April
-Kucinich web team


These are the original results: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Decision2008/popup?id=3493427


and they just put up a new one! WTF? With the exact same question.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Decision2008/popup?id=3493369


I am furious....sorry if this is already posted somewhere but I didn't see it.

Oh, and on top of that, look here, HE WON THEIR POLL AND THEY CUT HIM OUT OF THE PICTURE!!

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Decision2008/story?id=3478895

:mad: :wtf:

[Jack Bone]

1. I dunno...

The questions on the links posted are different..

one says

Who do you think will win?

and the other says.

Who do you think won?


either way it's fishy...but maybe that's how they can change the polls? ask a similar sounding question to get another result...i dunno...but something stinks in Mudville..

[New Earth]

3. the thing is...

I don't think that "Who is winning the debate" poll was there until after the one that Dennis won. I know from myspace bulletins that his staff or whatever has been watching that page all day, so I'd assume they would have seen it before now if it had been there.

[CountAllVotes]

6. I voted in the original poll

and I don't know anything about "My space".

Your comment doesn't address the FACT that DK is not even in the photograph!

It is as if he wasn't even there!!!



:kick:

[New Earth]

10. yes it does

why are you saying I didn't address the fact he is missing from the picture? It's in caps LOL

[CountAllVotes]

2. VOTE: WHO WON THE DEMS' DEBATE?

As of now:

Who do you think won the Democratic debate?

Dennis Kucinich
12,514
Barack Obama
8,940
Hillary Clinton
5,711
Joe Biden
3,387
John Edwards
3,204
Nobody won. I'm voting Republican.
1,717
Nobody won. I'm waiting for Al Gore to get in the race.
1,235
Bill Richardson
1,143
Mike Gravel
1,128
Chris Dodd
204
Total Vote: 39,183

They cannot change the facts even if they cut his picture out of the debate photograph!! :grr:



This tells us something! They are scared sh*tless of DK!! All the more reason to vote for him!!!!

The facts are that Cong. Kucinich won the debate.

FEAR ENDS HOPE BEGINS!

KUCINICH '08 - NOW IS THE TIME!!

:dem:

[presspeal]

4. Hell yea.

:kick:

[Gravel2008]

39. Was he standing next to Obama or Hillary?

Is there another picture that shows them all? Either way, F-ed up that they cropped him out.

[ruggerson]

5. It's an online poll

it's worthless. I'm amazed the Kucinich campaign is even spending time trying to spam it. Not once, but twice!

Talk about misspent energy.

[goodhue]

7. It's not the campaign

It's the people

[New Earth]

13. if it's worthless

then why does ABC seem to be so bothered that he won it? :shrug:

[ruggerson]

17. Who is ABC?

Do you think there are a band of evil ABC'ers who sit in a dark room plotting to make sure Dennis Kucinich does not win an online poll?

[New Earth]

18. honestly

I can picture that happening. :eyes:

[TechBear_Seattle]

8. The media doesn't want Kucinich; therefore he does not exist

He is an unperson and, frankly, I'm surprised there was anyone other than Clinton, Obama and Edwards on the poll.

All the more reason to support him. :patriot:

[LWolf]

32. He's not even in the picture of the candidates. n/t

[TechBear_Seattle]

33. Well, there you go

What is the Newspeak term for erasing a person from history?

[RFKJrNews]

52. Person? what person?

I didn't see a person in that photograph of the candidates. Therefore, said person apparently never existed.

There ya go, history rewritten.

This makes me so mad...it seems to me the MSM is really going out of their way to "erase" any candidate who poses a threat to the chosen frontrunners in this election cycle. A couple of examples:

1) During the CNN/YouTube Debates, Kucinich and Mike Gravel were placed on the outside edges of the stage, seemingly by design, to make them both look like "fringe" candidates, tinfoil hats barely worth listening to. And who could forget Anderson Cooper's snide little joke to Kucinich: "I can't imagine there's anyone further to the left than you."

2) In the FoxNews Republican debate earlier this summer, Ron Paul emerged as the winner by a large margin in the post-debate poll. Does anyone else remember the look on Sean Hannity's face when he had to read the results? He damn near choked on his own tongue. Eyes bugged out, brain went into full-tilt mode. Seriously, it was priceless!

(Needless to say, the poll results were quickly amended within the hour to make it look like Rudy won the debate.)

We should flood ABC with phone calls & emails. Let them know that the American people are not so easily fooled.

[slipslidingaway]

9. No. There are two different ABC polls at two different links

Would you supply the myspace link where this was posted as I could not find that message, thank you.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Decision2008/popup?id=3493427

Who do you think won the Democratic debate?

Dennis Kucinich
12,573
Barack Obama8,952
Hillary Clinton5,724
Joe Biden3,394
John Edwards3,205
Nobody won. I'm voting Republican.1,723
Nobody won. I'm waiting for Al Gore to get in the race.1,242
Bill Richardson1,145
Mike Gravel1,131
Chris Dodd204
Total Vote: 39,293


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Decision2008/popup?id=3493369&POLL301=C000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Who do you think will win the Democratic debate?

Barack Obama
1,771
Hillary Clinton1,429
Dennis Kucinich1,183
Joe Biden739
John Edwards655
Mike Gravel385
Nobody. I'm voting Republican.380
Bill Richardson312
Nobody. I'm waiting for Al Gore to get in the race.146
Chris Dodd60
Total Vote: 7,060

[New Earth]

11. you won't be able to see it unless you have an account

and he is on your friends list. Bulletins can only be seen by members, and the person has be one of your 'friends'...

I KNOW the titles of the threads are different. Does anyone remember that poll being there before the one that Kucinich won?

[slipslidingaway]

15. Understand and maybe you would post the links with the different

questions, you can see them in the screen capture you just posted.

I remember see both questions this a.m. not sure about last night. Anyway there are two different questions with different links.


What I have seen all day is a picture of only 7 candidates on one of their links and feel that needs to be addressed. It may not matter for the top three, but it sure matters for Dennis.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Decision2008/story?id=3478895

[New Earth]

12. another bulletin from his myspace account...

I am SURE she (April who runs his page) does not mind me reposting this...but this is where I'm getting the info.

[MiaCulpa]

14. I have the entire debate on my site for anyone interested.

It's in 9 parts, with no commercials. I still haven't decided to endorse a candidate at this point, but I have to say the Kucinich had the best damn answers, and well thought out plans to each and every issue that is key in this coming election. He was really treated like the token clown or troll by the others. At the very *least* the man's ideas demand serious attention.

[CountAllVotes]

16. DK = the only candidate that WILL END THE WAR

This alone is the best reason to vote for him.

He will REVOKE NAFTA and the WTO.

Medicare for All!

We the People will RECLAIM America!!

:kick:

[slipslidingaway]

21. Thank you and good luck with your decision...

hope it's DK :)

[Jack Bone]

19. K&R..for the cause

even though I honestly feel that Obama won the debate...this deal stinks!!

[bear425]

20. k/r n/t

[bettyellen]

22. tks Faye!

Good to see you,
:hi:

[Hollow Shells]

23. The corporations

The corporations must be terrified of him. What other reasonable explanation is there?

[BigDDem]

35. What corportations????

Keebler?

[Solon]

51. No, Disney.

Jeez, you would think people would know who owns what in the media, here's a breakdown, GE, defense contractor, polluter, etc. owns NBC, MSNBC, etc. Disney owns ABC, CBS used to be owned by Viacom, but they were split up into New Viacom and CBS corporation, which is itself owned by Sumner Redstone, who is the majority shareholder. News Corporation owns Fox news, of course, and CNN is owned by Time-Warner.

[Desertrose]

24. I seem to recall the media did similar last time....

Really drives em nuts when DK comes out on top...which he is doing more frequently this time.

DR

Latest results as of edit time:
Who do you think will win the Democratic debate?

Dennis Kucinich
2,306
Barack Obama
1,807
Hillary Clinton
1,441
Joe Biden
741
John Edwards
667
Mike Gravel
395
Nobody. I'm voting Republican.
386
Bill Richardson
315
Nobody. I'm waiting for Al Gore to get in the race.
153
Chris Dodd
62
Total Vote: 8,273

[Douglas Carpenter]

25. Dennis is still ahead --- be sure and vote your choice

[sanskritwarrior]

26. Well with the stupid way DU members

sways polls to not reflect reality, I don't have a problem with this........Don't DU a poll that makes you no better than freeper that does it........

[skids]

27. Well kuch isn't my first pick but...

If they are going to play that way I can sure click his name to set things straight.

[cobalt1999]

28. It's an online poll for goodness sake!

It's meaningless.

They can start it over everyday, every hour, or never. Who cares!?!

Again, it's MEANINGLESS! It's like getting upset when the candidate-picking pig in Backwoods,Georgia chooses your guy and they let him have another go at it the next day.

[Freddie Stubbs]

29. Freepers got to the last poll:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1883389/posts?page=1

[wyldwolf]

30. some online polls do check IP addresses to see if the poll is being flooded...

...I'm not saying that is the case with Kucinich... but online polls are being a little more attentive to "freep-like" activity.

[mod mom]

31. Faye, didn't you get the memo-HRC has already been chosen by the corporate media?

The whole system is a FARCE and totally sucks!

[New Earth]

34. yeah i got the memo

and tore it into tiny pieces and burned it :D

[BigDDem]

36. Hold on....

I think DK is in the photo.
He's just standing behind Hillary so you cant see him.

[Rhiannon12866]

38. According to the caption, he's supposed to be standing to the left of Obama...

:grr:

[druidity33]

45. he is...

he's smiling broadly and (gasp) he's... he's... flashing a big fat PEACE SIGN! not joking at all, the photo was in the NYT yesterday. Probably the absolute best Kooch photo i've seen to date. Lined up with the rest of the bunch he totally looked the worthiest of being there! I wonder if the pic is on their website... Benson is the photogs name, i think...

[Rhiannon12866]

47. Here is the pic!!! It wasn't easy, but I found the damn thing. And we were right, Dennis is cut off.

He was standing to the left of Obama, but Obama is the first candidate, from the left, pictured in the other photo.:grr:

But this has to be the photo that you saw. Great pic of Dennis and you're right, he was the worthiest candidate there, both in the debate and in this very cool photo! Thanks!:hi:

[druidity33]

49. yup... that's the one!

although it's been cropped here too... there's more of the stage and the ceiling in the other pic, but i guess as long as DK's there, i'm ok with it.

:)

[Rhiannon12866]

50. Well, it's from the NYT, but it took me awhile to find it.

From your description, I thought it was unmistakable. Maybe they cropped it, to just show the candidates, which is odd if the other one appeared yesterday, but it's fine with me, too, as long as this great pic of DK is in it!:hi:

[Rhiannon12866]

37. K&R. I voted for Dennis...

He's currently 1000 votes ahead of the second place candidate, Barak Obama... :-)

[Vincardog]

40. Dennis Kucinich 3,156 Total Vote: 9,319 go DK

Dennis Kucinich
3,156
Barack Obama1,878
Hillary Clinton1,475
Joe Biden756
John Edwards678
Mike Gravel409
Nobody. I'm voting Republican.408
Bill Richardson323
Nobody. I'm waiting for Al Gore to get in the race.173
Chris Dodd63
Total Vote: 9,319
Not a scientific survey.

[srobert]

41. But as of 12:38 PDT, he was winning the second poll also.

The polls aren't scientific, but they aren't "meaningless" as some have claimed.
Part of the meaning is inferred by the actions of ABC News. When they didn't get the "desired" results, they reposted a variation of the same poll. Next week Stephanopoulos likely won't even mention the poll, (unless the results change) or respond to the observation that the debate questions were skewed to polarize the race to one between Obama and Clinton.

[Desertrose]

42. Thanks and welcome to DU, srobert

I agree that even tho the polls aren't scientific, they DO mean something. Definitely...or why would ABC give it a second try.


DR

[dweller]

43. what a bunch of morans ...

Dennis Kucinich
3,056
Barack Obama
1,875
Hillary Clinton
1,472
Joe Biden
754
John Edwards
678
Mike Gravel
407
Nobody. I'm voting Republican.
407
Bill Richardson
322
Nobody. I'm waiting for Al Gore to get in the race.
172
Chris Dodd
63
Total Vote: 9,206
Not a scientific survey.


he's still winning.
dp

[Senator]

44. DK is Now Polling 2 Points Higher Than the "Deep Sixed" Poll

You can only fool some of the people some of the time.

--

[Moloch]

46. It doesnt matter how many times you vote in the poll...

Kucinichs latest vanity run will never attract more than 1% of the primary vote nationally. He has become the modern-day Lyndon Larouche.

[rinsd]

48. They're complaining after Kuch-ing the poll?

:rofl: