Rasmussen: Hillary popularity growing in Florida.. leading all Republicans...

[SaveElmer]

And her fav/unfav in the state has improved to 54-44

Hillary 49
Guiliani 44

Hillary 53
Thompson 40

Hillary 52
McCain 38

Hillary 57
Romney 35

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/clinton_leads_gop_hopefuls_in_florida

Also shows that there is no direct relationship between a neg rating and whether a person will vote for someone...

[durrrty libby]

1. Makes me happy. Thanks

[Fovea]

2. And she will make a great moderate Republic candidate.

They haven't run one of those for a while.

[wyldwolf]

3. Care to defend that idiotic statement?

[William769]

40. You cannot defend the indefensible, no matter how idiotic.

[dionysus]

4. boom-tiss *rimshot*

[durrrty libby]

5. She has a very liberal voting record, so why spread libelous

garbage?

[wyldwolf]

6. It's the "progressive" way.

[RaleighNCDUer]

7. There you go with the "progressive" bit again.

Hillary calls herself progressive. Do you despise her, too? Uh, no. Well then, it must be that she's lying about being progressive, because if she really was you could never support her. Right?

[wyldwolf]

8. As you've no doubt missed, I've always made a distinction between "progressives" and progressives

[Fovea]

48. Iraq

I really feel no need to say more.

[SaveElmer]

10. Summer is almost over...the kiddies will soon be back in school...

And the grown ups can have their DU accounts back...

[bvar22]

27. Just like "The GrownUps" got the WhiteHouse back in 2000?

Remember THAT bullshit?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Go Hillary... Go Hillary...Go Hillary...

She's not my first choice but if she gets the nomination I want her to win...

[Alamom]

11. k&r

[beastieboy]

12. Beautiful! As predicted, the more exposure, the better people like her.

[SaveElmer]

13. Rasmussen also has her leading all in NH...

Tied with Rudy in Ohio, but leading all others, and tied with all but Guiliani in Colorado, but definitively in striking distance...

I agree, the more people see here, hear her speak, realize she is not the caricature that the media has been creating all these years, the higher her popularity goes...

[LaPera]

14. HILLARY IS UNBEATABLE! Don't look any further Dems than what we report to you....

"HILLARY IS UNBEATABLE!" NOMINATATE HER NOW AND SHE WILL BE YOUR PRESIDENT, WE PROMISE...BECAUSE SHE IS UNBEATABLE! YES WE BELIEVE, NO CAN COULD EVER BEAT HILLARY EVER! and if she does lose to a republican by some chance....point the finger at Nader, or voting machines or dirty tricks or republicans smears....But, don't worry about that now...FIRST JUST GET HILLARY NOMINATED AND MAKE HER THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE BECAUSE SHE'S UNBEATABLE! YES!

And we'll do our job and keep the polls coming every single day, how Hillary will beat anyone & everyone in the universe....while our media will make sure she continues getting positive coverage day in and day out!!! We need to have her nominated everyone wants her, the MSM, republicans, the DLC, moderates - only the progressive/liberals are telling you to look further...Pay no attention to them, they don't get no press coverage....Because Hillary is unbeatable!

Keep watching TV for even more and better reports on Hillary....that's the true medium television, just keep watching and we'll give you all the facts and only the facts... How Hillary is unbeatable, Obama is doing great for an African-American...and John Edwards is scum...Keep watching TV and depend on us to help you spit out your talking points!

[SaveElmer]

15. The mantra of losing campaigns for 200 years...

It's all the media's fault...

These polls merely express the underlying truth that some don't want to hear...Hillary is the most popular candidate running among Democrats...it's as simple as that.

[LaPera]

16. Not a vote has been counted...just day in and day out polls Complete bullshit!

I'm sure you watch lots of television news, correct? As I stated Hillary is unbeatable....just keep repeating your "mantra" and watching your TV and you'll be pacified exactly with what you want to hear and believe! No bullshit...You'll hear exactly what you want to hear, so enjoy the ride!

[rinsd]

17. Someone call the Whaaaammbulance.

[LaPera]

18. You got it dude! You'll need it!

[ronnykmarshall]

37. Nice.

And people say Hillary supporters alienate others.

:eyes:

[ronnykmarshall]

36. Oh give it a rest.

Anytime a Clinton supporter post a thread about Hillary the basher come up with the same tired shit.

And BTW, if Hillary doesn't get the nomination, you'll see ALL of her supporters working to elect the democratic nominee. No sour grapes on our part.

I can't say the same for others.

[bluedog]

41. isn't that the truth!n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

43. It's just disgusting.

You'll never see me trash Obama, Edwards, Dennis or any of the candidates. This childish bullshit is embarrassing.

[dionysus]

44. you may not. but other loud ones do, as you are aware.

[ronnykmarshall]

46. I'll tell you this ....

I can bet you cash money that many of the most vocal Hillary bashers (I won't name them since calling out is against the rules) have said they will not support her. If it takes me to bust my ass, I will get as many Hillary supporters on this board to support the nominee.

[madfloridian]

19. Florida Dem leaders are Hillary backers....but a Republican will win.

Many suspect that the primary was moved up by the ones who are the DLC Dems, the Florida Mainstream Democrats, mostly.

She will win the Florida primary, but a Republican will win the general here. It will be that way for a long time.

[Tellurian]

20. And IF a Republican doesn't win?

and Hillary Wins, you still won't be happy.

[LaPera]

21. And IF Hillary didn't take republican money I might even vote for her>>>>IF!

Not a chance - I hate moderates!

[rinsd]

23. And yet you support Edwards who does take GOP money.

And whose Senate voting record is almost to the right of Hillary's.

Good luck with that fake outrage.

[LaPera]

24. More Lies...Keep watching your tube and suck in the lies...you know nothing of what you spew!

Edwards hasn't made a single vote in three years what the fuck are you talking about? In the last three years Hillary "Republican lite" voting is so fucking middle of the road to right it's truly disgusting....learn something and read each of their platforms, and then tell me who is the true progressive running.

[rinsd]

25. Lies? You seem to be claiming his 6 years in the Senate don't count.

"learn something and read each of their platforms, and then tell me who is the true progressive running."

Platforms are nice but voting records are more concrete. And Edwards voting record is decent but is not as progressive as he is portraying himself.

"voting is so fucking middle of the road to right it's truly disgusting"

So how in the world can you vote for John Edwards who voted to the right of Hillary on the Iraq War (with the exception of a single funding bill)? How do you reconcile Edwards' vote on bankruptcy? If Hillary's voting record the last 3 years is so disgusting how do you stand Edwards' 6 years?

Or is this outrage for show?

"then tell me who is the true progressive running."

Dennis Kucinich. Next question.

[Tellurian]

45. So, if a Republican donates to Kucinich...

as a private donation..he's automatically out too?

Most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of!

[madfloridian]

22. I did not say who I would vote for....or not. I don't like my state manipulating..

the process and then blaming the DNC for following rules they broke.

I resent it, and I think they should back off. It is sort of backfiring on them.

I do not post criticisms of Hillary here. On election day I can chose to vote for her or not.....I don't like it being inevitable.

I don't like that her hubby defended Bush against his own party about Iraq. It made me furious. He said he did not oppose what was going on there.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1220

[Tellurian]

42. Bill Clinton said: "I want it have been worth it" in 04

and it took you (3 yrs) until Fri Mar 23rd 2007, to respond to it.

Truthfully, I'm sick of addressing and defending the arbitrary cherry picking of statements and actions that aggravate people. Griping has never accomplished anything and never will. What I want to see is this country turned around, put back on it's feet and start benefiting the people who live here. We already know in the right hands it can be done. I want to look to the future knowing the country is in proven, capable, hands that have the wherewithal to stave off another election theft. I'm sick of broken promises of "I'll fight for you" and it never materializes....Thats what I want!

[madfloridian]

59. If you think the Iraq War giving in by Bill Clinton is not "aggravating"...

I presented several instances where he said such things, though I doubt he realized how vicious it would become under Bush.

I have always done what I had to do in the general election, and I most likely will this time. But it is preordained. There is no denying that.

And I think we should be aware that Bill Clinton and his advisors did have influence on the vote for the Iraq invasion. I doubt he thought Bush would do it so viciously, but Bush had already by that time proved himself inadequate as president.

All three of these men can't be wrong. Advised by Clinton advisors
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1041

I am not rewriting history, and I have been speaking out all along.

[The Backlash Cometh]

39. Until we bust the good ole boys.

They absolutely have their own way of doing things down here, and it's crooked as hell.

[retread]

26. The ONLY way Hillary Clinton will win Florida is if the Repug nominee

is caught screwing a dead manatee in front of the state capital building in Tallahassee.

[Hepburn]

31. Make that a MINOR dead manatee....

...and I will agree.

[beastieboy]

34. Then the chances are pretty good.

[rudy23]

28. The polls don't show how much a Hillary nomination would increase Freeper turnout

Hillary Clinton is the only one who can re-energize their defeated base.

[rinsd]

29. Perhaps because polls don't predict things.

I suppose a pollster could ask of the GOPers and GOP leaners who said they do not plan to vote whether they would vote if Hillary was the opposing candidate.

But I do not think any have yet.

[rudy23]

51. Thanks for the smart reply, but I wasn't saying that's what they should do, I meant that polls can't

tell you that type of thing, and I think that's going to be a major factor if Hillary gets the nomination. You've completely misunderstood my point in your zeal to make me look stupid as a defense.

But it does look like I've hit a nerve, haven't I?

[rinsd]

54. Huh?

I understood your point but its speculation that Hillary will increase turnout amongst the GOP. You stated it as fact which was silly.

At this point in time I think the top 3 Dems all have very strong chances at the WH.

"But it does look like I've hit a nerve, haven't I?"

LOL. Why do people always say this when they feel they have been made to look foolish?

[rudy23]

55. I was using a Hillary quote--actually, I don't think she sounded foolish when she said it

I just want to know why people are getting so excited about such a strident corporatist and Lieberman Democrat like Hillary.

[Hepburn]

30. Isn't Rasmussen a Repig pollster?

I am wondering if he would tell the truth....or slant a poll to let the Dems think Hillary can win?

IMO, she would never be elected and that would lead to some Repig asshole being in office. I cannot take another 8 years of that kind of shit.

JMHO

[bigdarryl]

32. Theres no way in hell Hillary is carrying Florida

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35. Rudy G is still the real threat to us.

McCain and Romney are done.

[The Backlash Cometh]

38. This I would believe.

[ChiciB1]

47. I Live In Florida... The Repukes LOVE HER!! Guess Why?

They can't wait to throw the bombs! So many of them think she WILL be the BEST target! I've heard people say so!

May NOT be the SAME Repukes, but it IS BEING SAID! Of course, I live in Cruella's old district! Christine Jennings is still fighting back, and she was once a Repuke too! Oh, I forgot... Jennings is getting her next campaign together for '08 now! Wonder how well THAT will turn out again? Same supervisor of elections says we have voting machine problems AGAIN, and are going to have to work something out for the election coming up in November!

Oh well, it's just FLORIDA!

[Cameron27]

53. self delete

[illinoisprogressive]

49. Just read that Hillary lost 5 points and Obama gained 5. hmmmmm.

[William769]

50. And where did you read this? Hmmmmm.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

52. Nationally, Hillary still our worst candidate

Hillary is beaten nationwide against Giuliani especially-- again, despite her name recognition against Giuliani. Whereas Obama and Edwards both beat all Republicans in national polling. Why not select the candidate who does best in the national polls?

[rinsd]

58. You have some things wrong

"Hillary is beaten nationwide against Giuliani especially-- again,"

It depends on the poll. Hillary is beating Giuliani 4 out of the last 7 polls taken by different firms. Her lead is outside the MOE on 3 of those. Giuliani leads her outside the MOE in one of those.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_giuliani_vs_clinton-227.html#polls

"despite her name recognition against Giuliani."

Ummm Giuliani has over 80% name recognition. Also people seem to like Rudy less the more they get to know him. Even though his fav/unfav ratio is still very high, it is down significantly from earlier this year.

"Whereas Obama and Edwards both beat all Republicans in national polling"

Again it depends on the poll. Edwards has seen his edge over the GOP ebb away over the last few months especially against Rudy. Obama has nudged ahead of Rudy.

"Why not select the candidate who does best in the national polls?"

If all 3 can beat the GOP, electability should be a back burner issue.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

56. For every lame poll like this, we can dig up another showing Hillary losing

or at best within the margin of error against Giuliani in particular. One example: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/nation/epaper/2007/08/09/a4a_qpoll_0809.html

Even more disturbing is that she's at best holding ground in Pennsylvania, and floundering in Ohio.

And this is at a point when Hillary has especially favorable media coverage, when public anger at Bush over Iraq is at a high mark, and before the GOP attack machine has laid into Hillary even barely. A very bad sign for Hillary in too many ways to name.

[rinsd]

57. You just linked to the same poll.

"Even more disturbing is that she's at best holding ground in Pennsylvania, and floundering in Ohio"

Why is that disturbing? In the Q polls she beats the GOP in those states while Obama is losing.

"before the GOP attack machine has laid into Hillary even barely"

Two hit piece books have come out.

A Bush flack from the Pentagon implied she was aiding the enemy.

And the WH press secretary just felt it necessary to attack her on her 1st TV ad.

Its true they haven't laid into her but its not for lack of effort.

[William769]

60. Thats what you get when you try to muddy the water.

:rofl: