Roves description of Hillary as "tough,tenacious and fatally flawd" is meant to incite Dems to

[saracat]

nominate her.Hillary is Roves dream candidate.They think they can beat Hillary!And if they can't, they know she will work with them.

[Perry Logan]

1. Those Republicans! They are so fiendishly clever.

[SaveElmer]

2. Ah so when Republicans praise Hillary it;s cause they want to run against her...but

When they criticize her...it's cause they want to run against her...

Very clever plot they have going there...no matter what they do, it's cause they want to run against her...

Ingenious!!!

:rofl:

[saracat]

4. Guess what? John Dean said that Hillary is the candidate Rove and Cop want!

[SaveElmer]

5. John Dean...wow

Well I give up...you must be right...what figure is more in the know on what Republican leaders are thinking than John Dean...? :sarcasm:

[earthlover]

11. Oh please....a LOT of Democrats are scared shitless of her getting the nomination

Including some who publically support her.

About half of AMericans won't vote for her no matter what. Which means if she gets every single other vote, she will tie. And that is a good prospect? A formula for disaster. Not only hers. But Congress's

Hillary supporters seem to be in denial. They can't let their consciousness awake to even the possibility that she could in fact be opposed by anyone, and to propose to them that she may lose is totally blown off. I think the "in it to win" is one big defense mechanism. They know that electability is her weakest suit.

[SaveElmer]

12. So many...

That 40%+ of them support her for the Democratic nomination...

And according to the CNN numbers released today...59% of Democrats believe she is the strongest candidate in the general election...

I know you find it easy to project your own biases on the rest of the party...but the numbers just don't back you up...

[Imagevision]

25. CNN numbers are a joke, most trusted? get a clue... remember Sonjay's comments about Moore?

[AlGore-08.com]

30. Right, but she has a -71% approval with Republican voters and -9% with Independents

And unless there's another election where several independent candidates split the Republican vote, it will be very, very difficult for her to win the general election.

[jaysunb]

31. please stop making sense.....

:evilgrin:

[saracat]

15. John Dean Yes.Author of Conservatives Without Conscience.That Dean.

And you better believe he knows.

[SaveElmer]

16. Yeah I am sure Republican leaders just love John Dean...

Trust him with all their dirty dark secrets I guess...cause they know those secrets would be safe with a guy like John Dean...

:rofl:

[saracat]

19. John Deans knows and understands more about how the GOP works than most have forgotten.

He doesn't need to be "told' anything.Much is obvious just by observation, though I am sure he still has contacts.You just really can't or won't get it.

[SaveElmer]

20. Uh ...ok...

John Dean has determined by divination, or his magic 8-ball that Karl Rove and the Republicans really truly want Hillary to get the nod...

Gosh, how can anything that solid be ignored!!!! :eyes:

[saracat]

32. Well, John Dean's opinion is a lot more "solid" than your own and with a basis in truth.

[Semper_FiFi]

22. I have to admit that it does seem to be a tad "ingenious" to me too. n/t

[catgirl]

26. I think they do have ammo waiting if she wins the nomination

and a lot of it. I haven't seen any repugs criticizing her lately.
I'm sure they've been gearing up to attack each of the leading
candidates, but Hillary has a bigger bullseye on her.

[rinsd]

37. Nail meet head!

[illinoisprogressive]

3. I don't care. she is very flawed and has tons of bagagge

[jobycom]

6. Pretend you are a political mastermind for a moment.

You've got three opponents. Clinton--the spouse of a president everyone now pines for. She's won two elections--one tough one she was predicted to lose right up until the election. She's been connected to the federal government for fifteen years in some capacity or another, and before that has been a leader at everything she's attempted since middle school. Most of all, she has a platinum rolodex and seeming unlimited fundraising abilities. Her only negative is that the Republicans threw everything in the world at her ten years ago, and some of it stuck. Despite that, she's leading in polls everywhere.

Obama. Senator for two years. Before that, a local politician, professor and lawyer. He's got a name that will scare some voters, and is so unknown they can make up anything about him and expect it to stick.

Edwards. One term senator. Is 50-50 in elections. Almost 90% of his own party choses someone else. He, too, has little experience and little identity to counter the slanders you can throw at him.

Who would you rather run against?

Now, since unless you are abysmally stupid, and I know you aren't, you didn't say Clinton. So, why does Rove make a comment like that? That's simple--so he can go home this evening and watch the Democrats use your statement to tear itself apart. He knows what we say. He knows that his endorsement will repulse us, so he endorses the candidate he hopes most to tear apart.

Politics 101. Not even that clever, but quite effective.

[emilyg]

10. Right.

[Semper_FiFi]

23. BINGO!

Now, THAT makes sense to me.

[zulchzulu]

41. Your assessment is flawed and skewed for your preferred candidate

Clinton is indeed the spouse of a president...an impeached president. With NAFTA, Don't Ask Don't Tell, DOMA, the Telecommunications Act, China free trade deals and not addressing healthcare reform after woefully failing in 1994 (which helped bring Rove and Newt into power), she tries to latch onto his resume as if it's her own to use as
"experience". Being a First Lady is not a legislative position. Who are we supposed to vote for? Bill Clinton by way of Hillary Clinton?

Having a "platinum rolodex" of Beltway insiders and fundraising companions like Rupert Murdoch isn't exactly what most people are looking for as "change".

As for name recognition as a factor in recent national polls (which mean little until the first votes are counted), Clinton can thanks insiders like Vinod Gupta, who not only supports the Clintons, but also is the owner of the company, InfoUSA, that does CNN polls. I guess that helps...

On looking at experience, Obama has the most of the three you mentioned. He served as State Senator in Illinois for 8 years and has served 2 years in the Senate so far. That's ten years of legislative experience with a stellar record. Clinton has 8 years as senator, with votes for the war and not doing anything she has recently promised.

If you are actually an astute political analyst, looking at Clinton's high negatives and reports from the GOP that they want her to run against to unify their base and make otherwise easy Democratic victories turn suddenly into contests would tell you that she would be the worst candidate to be the nominee.

Believe what you want.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

7. It became pretty obvious to me when Faux News owner Ruport Murdoch had a fundraiser for her

Not to be cynical, but I think people like Murdoch, own both the GOP and the DNC! They cover all bases. We should not give anyone our vote unless they earn it,not with empty rhetoric but with their actions. I didn't see much difference between Clinton and Lieberman. I would love to know why she didn't hold anyone accountable for anything from 911,Iraq or NOLA? I know Hillary will fight hard to win an election, but where was that fight before? I learned plenty just checking out their BIOs and blogs, backed up with fact checks. MY choice for now, is Kucinich! I am Liberal enough to change my mind again, if he lets us down or if Al Gore runs! "I live each day with a grateful heart and a desire to be of service to humanity" Dennis Kucinich

[jaysunb]

9. I hope you meant the DLC...

The DNC is on our side.....

[DianaForRussFeingold]

13. OMG,that was a mistake! I love the DNC ,

My Blog till I found DU http://www.democrats.org/blog.html Check it out It's great! I always try and kick some of DU's posts to them. Their blog has become overcome with trolls lately.

[rudy23]

28. Great picture!

Worth a million words...

[Totally Committed]

39. Oops!

TC

[laugle]

8. This is a dupe!!!

[snowbear]

14. You'd better bet that Republicans are counting on her being our nominee..

And it's going to throw them off big time if someone who is VERY electable is nominated instead.

Sorry Elmer and HRC supporters - but that's not a diss of HRC - it's reality.

High negatives, polarization up the kazoo, yes.. they want her nominated and they'll break out the big guns to make it happen.

[saracat]

17. Amen Larissa! The pic is priceless.Says a lot!

[never cry wolf]

34. Exactly

I don't think that rove's work is done, I think it's just beginning. It's a long way to the primaries yet. I think he's leaving the WH so he can orchestrate the dirty tricks to ensure Hillary is the nominee, to pull a Muskie on the others. The pukes have been messing with Dem primary candidates on all levels for well over 3 decades. Muskie, Cynthia McKinney, I believe even Kerry, Howard would have been much more formidable.

I have nothing against Hillary, but she will get ZERO crossover votes, fewer indy votes than the rest and even some dems will defect. Her disapproval ratings are the highest amongst our candidates. Now she is smart and capable and I think would be a fine Pres, but after 15 years of being demonized by the RW hate machine (wrongly, IMHO) she would not stand a chance. Just think about Vince Foster, the WH travel office, the FBI files and all the other BS that will all resurface on RW radio and whisper campaigns. She comes pre-swiftboated. In addition, there are many that just would not want to go through another 4 or 8 years of hate and polarization and will either sit it out, vote 3rd party or vote for the puke.

Yes, she can defend herself but if half the people aren't listening it won't do any good. The pukes would get a huge volunteer force for GOTV and for anything else they can do.

As for Murdoch, beware the Trojan Horse. After the primaries he won't be holding any fundraisers for any dems.

[rinsd]

43. Yeah except Edward negatives are rising and his GE matchup advantage is shrinking.

And in the spirit of not dissing here is a video of John Edwards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AE847UXu3Q

[ruggerson]

18. Rove knows that some wildly astute people will reverse everything he says

thus, he called her "fatally flawed," hoping that the democrats will say, aha, she's NOT fatally flawed - we must thus nominate her, but thank god there are democrats who can see through Karl's ruse and know that he only said she's fatally flawed so that some Democrats would think he was saying the opposite of what he meant, thus fooling us into nominating her. However, there are those who know that he only said she was "fatally flawed" so that the Democrats who think they know that he was trying to manipulate us when he said it, actually don't realize that he knew all along that there are those who will know he wants us to do the opposite of what he says, thus seeing through his attempt to make us think he was saying what he really didn't want us to believe.

Whew

[Roy]

24. Can you repeat that??? lol n/t

[DFW]

21. I don't use lines from Karl Rove as the basis for a post

He's not setting my discussion agenda.

[Enrique]

27. Hillary is Rove's nightmare

[IndianaJones]

29. I heard rumors that he may have been behind his resignation. nt.

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[mdmc]

35. they can't beat her .. they don't need to beat her

she is a neo-con too...

[BenDavid]

36. I totally disagree. HRC is the

gop's nightmare. When HRC is elected as our nominee and the true campaign will begin one will notice the damn differences between the kerry and gore campaigns. There will be no taking it on the chin and not responding. There will be no swift boating of HRC. There will be no santized democratic convention as kerry held in 04....
We have a woman that wants to win for us and all america. We are going to find out in this election exactly who the sexist and the racist really are....Now who do you think the racist gop would love to really run against? HRC or Obama?

Obama is out there trying to convince black americans that he is black enough. Fell for the gop trap, hook, line and sinker....One has to back away a little and look at the big picture of way this is going on and who began all this about whether Obama is black enough....Obama does not have to prove that he is black. That is obvious, and all black americans and white americans and tan americans and whatever rainbow american one is, they want to know if the candidate they will support is experienced, and intelligent to do the job as president.SIMPLE AS THAT!

Ido thank you
Ben David

[Beetwasher]

38. Everything I Say Is A Lie

Even when I tell the truth.

[Totally Committed]

40. Just for Saracat:

TC

[saracat]

42. Oh wow! A picture is worth a 1000 words! Thank you!

[beastieboy]

44. Nope, exactly the opposite.

They will try to derail her before the nomination, they want nothing to do with her.