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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:08 AM
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Kucinich Calls Out Clinton’s Nuclear Blunder
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070811_kucinich_throws_down_the_gauntlet

Posted on Aug 11, 2007

By Kasia Anderson

A year ago, Hillary Clinton said she “would certainly take nuclear weapons off the table” when it came to confronting Iran about its expanding nuclear program. That comment contrasts conspicuously with her more recent statement, on Aug. 2, in response to fellow Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s similar statement that nuclear weapons were “not on the table” for him in a hypothetical discussion about targeting terrorists in Pakistan and Afghanistan. “Presidents should be careful at all times in discussing the use and nonuse of nuclear weapons,” Clinton countered later that same day. “Presidents since the Cold War have used nuclear deterrents to keep the peace, and I don’t believe any president should make blanket statements with the regard to use or nonuse of nuclear weapons.”

Once again, as with her stance on the Iraq war, Clinton’s record has been inconsistent when it comes to how, when and against whom she would take military action were she to become the U.S. commander in chief. Perhaps she has decided, or been urged by her advisers, to strike an aggressive pose in order to compensate for being a woman in a race for the presidency, a situation that some voters might view as virtually irreconcilable. But balancing “I’m your girl” wink-wink affability with “I can play with the big boys and their big guns” credibility is one thing, and going so far as to introduce even the dim possibility of pre-emptive use of nuclear weapons in a notoriously volatile region is entirely another.

In their coverage, such as it was, mainstream media outlets largely focused on Clinton’s apparent self-contradiction—as her campaign reps gestured at contextual differences in an attempt to integrate her two remarks—or on her bids to cast Obama as a foreign policy neophyte. However, for Rep. Dennis Kucinich, the biggest issue raised by Clinton’s comments isn’t so much consistency as it is her character, and by extension her ability to effectively serve as America’s president. Here, Kucinich sounds off to Truthdig’s Associate Editor Kasia Anderson about his concerns about Clinton’s nuclear politics and their global implications.

Kasia Anderson: What’s your reaction to Sen. Clinton’s comeback to Sen. Obama about the possibility of using nuclear weapons against terrorists in Pakistan or Afghanistan?

Dennis Kucinich: I think that that single comment by Sen. Clinton raises questions about her fitness for the presidency. In a week in which we observe the tragedies of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, any American presidential candidate who rattles the nuclear saber must be viewed with the greatest amount of skepticism. Given Sen. Clinton’s commitment to the neocon doctrines of pre-emption, unilateralism and first strike, all Americans should be very concerned about how she would use the power of the presidency.

There’s another question here, and that is: Is she unaware of the fragility of conditions on the Asian subcontinent with respect to nuclear parity and first-strike concerns? Does she really mean what she says, and is she ready to take responsibility for potentially catalyzing a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan? Has she really thought this through? This really raises questions about whether she has the thoughtfulness to be able to lead the nation. Given her willingness to attack Iraq without any evidence whatsoever, without having read any of the documents, without having done any of the research—is she that susceptible that she’s willing to reach for the nuclear football?

Anderson: Can you say more about first-use doctrine in this context?

Kucinich: There’s a doctrine of first use which really is a violation of international law. The first-use doctrine is the prelude to Armageddon. We live in a time where the entire world understands the imperative of getting rid of nuclear weapons, and Sen. Clinton’s lack of awareness of the danger of that kind of rhetoric legitimates the first-strike doctrine among all nations. And so, in some ways, her comments necessitate a deep discussion within the Democratic Party about what we stand for.

I believe in strength through peace, through enforcing the Non-Proliferation Treaty, which at its heart calls for nuclear abolition. We should be talking about nuclear abolition, not about first strike. This desire for aggressiveness with nuclear weapons is chilling and requires the most intense scrutiny of someone’s position on the most basic issue of survival of the planet. Jonathan Schell was writing about these things decades ago—about the effects of the use of nuclear weapons. I don’t understand why feels this need to look tough with respect to weapons. What kind of calculations could she possibly be making?

Everyone knows that there is no survivability from a nuclear attack, and that the use of nuclear weapons brings about ecocide. At a time when we’re worried about the health of the planet, that someone would talk about using nuclear weapons shows a willingness to misuse power that could lead to the destruction of the planet itself. We can all have these discussions about global climate change, and we all want to work together to improve the quality of life on the planet. But the first-strike doctrine changes everything, because it invites the use of nuclear weapons, which destroy not only the target nation but the nation that uses them.

I think that what we’ve seen in the past is a real weakness that comes from a willingness to use deadly force without regard to the facts. This is not only a political question; this is a question of character.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:24 AM
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1. I'll give this thread a kick..
hillary should be careful about spouting off when she's talking about nukes.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:29 AM
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2. Once again Hillary shows why she can't be trusted
She will vary her position on an issue depending on whom she is speaking to and whether or not a particular side will help her politically. Just like with the Iraq war, were supposed to believe that even though she helped to enable the war, and solidly supported it until recently, when her political career is at stake, she will play the dove to get the votes, only to prosecute the war once in office.

Kucinich is the only one of the candidates who has been consistent and consistently right on all of the issues. Hillary, sadly, has been all over the map.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 03:54 PM
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12. And whenever she feels that any given audience requires
her to portray her "strength" she will kneejerk into the "war on Iran"and "nukes on the table" approach.
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:42 AM
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3. Once again, it merely displays the gulf between "pragmatic politics" and consistent ideology.
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 10:43 AM by nealmhughes
Over and over again throughout this exhausting, hot, dry and frankly rather boring precampaign, we have been subjected to claim, counter claim, and then apology from candidates and their supporters on why what one has said is not what they meant, or what they did two years ago is not what they would do now. . .


This is what occurs when a campaign is rooted not in a platform, but in getting enough brownie points for the latest poll.

It seems almost as if the smartest candidates are those who just repeat the same thing over and over again, never deviate and have no significant record for refutation!

It is politics in a nutshell: it is rude, uncivil and not based on anything else than a grasp for increased power.
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sueh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:18 AM
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4. Kicked again. Dennis, keep it up.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:42 AM
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5. This is amazing - Is this the first time Kuchinich explicitly called Clinton a neo-con?
quote from your post:

"Dennis Kucinich: I think that that single comment by Sen. Clinton raises questions about her fitness for the presidency. In a week in which we observe the tragedies of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, any American presidential candidate who rattles the nuclear saber must be viewed with the greatest amount of skepticism. Given Sen. Clinton’s commitment to the neocon doctrines of pre-emption, unilateralism and first strike, all Americans should be very concerned about how she would use the power of the presidency. "

As a non-Clinton fan, I don't think Clinton has endorsed these concepts. It is interesting that Kuchinich will go that far.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:57 PM
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14. At her speech to AIPAC early this year, Hillary endorsed pre-emption, unilateralism and first strike
She even refused to take a nuclear first strike off the table when she was confronted on her remarks about "all options being on the table."
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 07:30 AM
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16. The problem with neocons is that they think they could win a nuclear war n/t
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:09 PM
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6. Dangerous
The "front runner" should really have a firmer grasp of nuclear war policy.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:13 PM
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7. kick
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:16 PM
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8. .
:nuke:
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:22 PM
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9. If she's the democratic nominee, I will not vote for her. n/t
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:35 PM
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10. Oy. Just oy.
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 12:37 PM by TheWraith
First thing's first. I'm not particularly a Hillary hater, but all the same what she said here was incredibly dumbfuck. She's just trying to repeat the traction she thought that she got on Obama's Pakistan comments, regardless of how stupid the position actually is, or the fact that she's basically saying that in the course of running for president, an "experienced" candidate shouldn't tell you anything about what they actually do or do not support or plan to do. Let alone the kind of ads that she's writing for her opponents or potential opponents, and the baggage she's creating for the primaries. Does she really think that keeping nuclear strikes on the table is going to help her in the anti-war base?

Also, I've got to poke Kucinich a little, despite being a big fan of him. The abolition of nuclear weapons isn't going to happen. Also, the idea that there's no such thing as a survivable nuclear attack is a myth. I'm not "for" the casual use of nukes, but I remind everybody that World War II was a nuclear war, and we've had easily 450 or more atmospheric nuclear detonations since then without obliterating civilization, some running as high as 50,000 kilotons.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:04 PM
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15. So much for giving a shit about the environment....
If she holds a nuke strike as a possibility, how can she say she cares about the environment??

As far as the part about "no such thing as a survivable nuclear attack being a myth"...globally that is true, but I'm sure Hiroshima & Nagasaki residents might disagree.

But I do agree with you...oy, just oy. :)

DR
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 02:22 PM
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11. I bet Hillary could out-Thatcher that nasty old Margaret
They both may be women, but they are tougher and meaner than the boys. This stuff is not what the country or the world needs anymore.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:47 PM
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13. You tell them, Dennis!
:applause: :yourock:
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