Wes Clark at the West LA Impeachment Rally

[CarolNYC]

West LA Progressives’ Weekend Joined by Tom Hayden and Wesley Clark

In keeping with the media’s sudden obsession with the clothes and hair of political figures since Hillary Clinton has thrown her hat in the Presidential race, I must say Tom Hayden looked smashing in his ivory garden party suit. At the Progressive Democrats of America third year anniversary bash on Saturday in Topanga Canyon, he chatted with us about slaughter in Iraq. Likewise, Retired General Wesley Clark went with casually comfortable yet chic in a pastel golf shirt and slacks, his tan showing off his crystal blue eyes as he quietly encouraged the marchers at the weekly Sunday Impeachment rally in front of the Veterans building.

(snip)

The next day’s weekly noon Impeachment Rally in front of the Veterans Building in West LA was coordinated largely by the new Los Angeles Impeachment Center. After an opening on July 4th weekend to a crowd of 500 people, the vibrant new center is a successful coalition of Progressive Democrats, Green Party affiliates and Libertarians…and has already had a bomb threat from an anonymous phone caller. The crowd was enthusiastic and determined at the rally on Sunday. Cars honked in agreement non-stop for the full hour and a half. Similar rallies were held through out the country. In one small town of a heavily red state, a small group of impeachment supporters were cited for encouraging people to honk in support.

Among the attendees at our West LA rally was Russ Warner, running for Congress in Rancho Cucamonga. I asked him what he thought about Impeachment. He said, ‘history will Impeach Bush’. I respect that he was there offering support where so many in public office shy away from such controversial issues. However, I don’t think we would have been happy to wait for ‘history to Impeach Hitler’ so it didn’t seem to sit well to be so passive now. Retired General Wesley Clark, former Presidential candidate stood with the group for most of the rally. I asked what he thinks of Impeachment. He said he would support the investigation leading to it. I then asked why Congress is not going forward with Impeachment. He explained that people in high public office are pressured heavily in ways that most of us could hardly imagine, to do what the right-wingers want them to do. So, he added “the best hope for our country is you guys, doing what you are doing right here!” Amen.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=34591

Aw, Wes, with his crystal blue eyes, encouraging the marchers at the rally...."the best hope for the country is you guys"...Amen, indeed.

[Hepburn]

1. Wes Clark ~~

PLEASE RUN!!!!!!

[Jai4WKC08]

2. Wes knows that once an honest investigation is started

Impeachment won't be far behind.

[acmavm]

3. The best hope may be us, but the best leader would be Wes.

[FrenchieCat]

4. That's my General!

Wish he could be my President! :patriot:

[KT2000]

5. I wish he would run

don't know if it is already too late but he knows how to take control. He is not pushed around and is likely dismayed at most of us are by the behavior of some Dems.

[Schema Thing]

6. Damn! my man crush just got deeper.

:P

[Sparkly]

7. Go, General!!

:patriot: :woohoo:

[Donna Zen]

8. Wes Clark

has never let us down.

It was a great moment last Friday morning when the NetRoots rose to honor this great American who has worked so hard to take back our nation. His speech was a call for us to change the dialogue. He said we must quit playing on bush's turf and instead to bring the discussion to our strengths and bush's weakness of policy, politics and diplomacy. That's how can win the war of words and bring the troops home.

[judy from nj]

9. Is this about the ENOUGH rally

that Wes Jr and Cenk Uyger (Young Turks) are organizing?

[Donna Zen]

10. I'm sure Wes was at that rally

The article is very confusing.

[jenmarie]

23. Yes.

That is the location of the ENOUGH campaign, too and I'm sure Wes, Jr. talked his dad into going.

I haven't given up hope that Wes will run. Only because he hasn't said he won't, and has said repeatedly how badly he wants to.

Keep sending white light that the pre-conditions have been met.

[robinlynne]

24. It looks like the impeachment center has joined them. the writer didn't seem to

know the real origin.

[Tinksrival]

11. Let the light in!

Thats what Wes always sez!

IMPEACH!!

[FrenchieCat]

13. And we need some BIGGO LIGHTS, considering the many secrets

needed to be unearthed!

[Captain Hilts]

12. Tom Hayden's a jerk. But my heart still belongs to Wesley.....nt

[MalloyLiberal]

14. I'm beginning to love Wes

But he just doesn't show the courage to run for President.

[FrenchieCat]

15. He's been there, done that. I ain't about courage, it's about money

and press love.......and he has neither.

[Sparkly]

16. OH yeah, a 4-star General lacks "courage."

:rofl:

[MalloyLiberal]

17. Then RUN already. He waited too long last time

[FrenchieCat]

19. I'm starting to believe that Clark will attempt to affect change in a different

manner than running. Whether it is too late is hard to know.......but the fact is that (and since you support Edwards, you should some insight) without press love, there is no buzz; without buzz, your poll numbers suck. Without good poll numbers, money is hard to raise; without money, there is not buzz; and without buzz, your poll numbers suck and you get no press love.

[MalloyLiberal]

20. I'd probably flip flop to Clark if he got in

[CarolNYC]

18. courage

That is one thing that General Wesley Clark has never lacked his whole life....courage.

[tabasco]

22. You've got some fucking nerve.

Wes Clark is an Army Ranger, wounded four times in combat, awarded the Silver Star.

It takes freeper-like stupidity and temerity to question his courage.

[Alexander]

48. When your keyboard commando ass gets a Silver Star...

then you can talk about "courage".

[Cameron27]

21. Very intelligent comment.

I love him. :-)

[Norrin Radd]

25. k+r

[windbreeze]

26. ahhhh...hang on a minute....

a small point....I know I have bad eyesight...but Wes Clark does not have crystal blue eyes....he has warm chocolate brown eyes...at least he did when I met him...soooo...who was the person looking at??wb

[Texas_Kat]

27. Wes's eyes are hazel

blue on the outside, brown in the center.... they look different depending on the light and what he's wearing.

It was a puzzle for Clarkies.... we finally asked someone close to him.

[windbreeze]

30. hmmmm....

I looked right into his eyes in the broad daylight..and they sure looked like liquid chocolate to me...I remember being really surprised, because I always assumed he had blue eyes, and that was what I expected to see...however, he did have on a brown sweater that day, so that probably made a difference...they sure weren't "crystal blue" (like my mother/sister have) in any case...I never realized that there was/is a discussion about what color his eyes really are..interesting...wb

[CarolNYC]

33. magic eyes

Ah, he has magic eyes...They are whatever color he wants them to appear at any given time. :)

[windbreeze]

47. hey, that works for me....

I know I was thunderstruck the day I looked into his eyes from about 2 feet away..so I will go with the magic eyes explanation...wb

[Clark2008]

65. As I pointed out before... his eyes are the same

color as my daughter - who is also a mix of Irish-Appalachian on her mother's side and Semitic on her father's side.



:)

[Eurobabe]

57. Nope, his eyes are hazel. I have personal pics to prove it.

From 2003-2004. :P

[Forkboy]

28. What an extremist!

:hide:

[Apollo11]

29. I believe Clark will enter the race

I watched his great speech to Yearly Kos, and to me it looks like he is getting ready to jump in. He even made a joke about it at the start.

You can watch the speech here: http://www.yearlykosconvention.org/node/726

Plus Clark told the New York Times that he thinks about it (running for President in 08) every day. It was in the NYT Magazine on July 1st.

If you look at Clark's website http://securingamerica.com there is a lot of activity and regular updates.

Plus there is the fact that Clark is bringing out a book on September 4th. The title of the book might provide a clue regarding his intentions.

[Apollo11]

31. What Wes Clark said to Charlie Rose

On Wes Clark's website you can find a transcript of his recent interview on the Charlie Rose show (broadcast on July 26th, 2007).

Charlie Rose: General Wesley Clark is here. He was the Supreme Allied Commander of NATO during the conflicts in Bosnia and Kosovo. In 2004, he ran for President as a Democrat. He is now a military analyst for MSNBC and hosts a popular blog and weekly podcast called ClarkCast. He remains active in politics and speaks often about America's role in the Middle East. Two weeks ago he testified before a House Committee on alternatives for Iraq. Later this fall, he will release his memoirs. They are entitled A Time To Lead. I am pleased to have General Clark back at this table.

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Thank you very much, Charlie.

Charlie Rose: You have not ruled out a candidacy this year.

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: No, I haven't. No, I haven't. I think about it every day. I'd love to be able to run.

Charlie Rose: Why can't you?

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: It's - There are several preconditions that have to be met, and they haven't been met. And, and I've worked with them, and I've tried to work around them, and I haven't been able to. It was a great, it was a tremendous honor and a great experience to run the first time. If you run the second time, you, you want to really have a shot at winning, and that means you've got to have the money and the organization behind you. And I've worked to, on this from several different angles and until and unless I believe that there's a genuine candidacy out there, I can't do this. I, it, it's not enough to just go out there and say, 'I'm running, because I believe in it.' There's a lot of people who want me to run, but I haven't met the preconditions I've set for myself.

http://securingamerica.com/node/2579


So, to sum up, Wes Clark wants to run, but he will only run if he has a real shot.

I hope he understands how many people are not satisfied with the current crop of candidates.

When it comes to leadership experience - the current candidates are pretty weak, IMO.

[CarolNYC]

34. Apollo11

I love your enthusiasm and your optimistic outlook on the situation...I sure hope you are right....And I agree with you. I'd be a lot happier with Gore or Clark than the current choices....

[Totally Committed]

37. To be honest, I don't think he's running.

Monetarily, I don't think it's an option any longer.

Just my opinion. I don't see it happening.

That having been said, I'd love for him to prove me wrong. This would be a far better race with him in it.

TC

[windbreeze]

49. I agree....

I would be very surprised to see him jump in, at this point...and I can't say as I blame him....he's no dummy...and he knows what has to happen, for him to consider a run viable...he's not the type of person to settle for less than he needs, and say oh well, it'll be ok...wb

[Senator]

32. Wes Clark: Tower of Jello

Sorry. I know how we're all looking for heroes. But there's none to be found here.

Clark's "would support the investigation leading to it" is even worse than Pelosi's "off the table." How about calling for it General? You know, leading? It's roughly the same as Madame Squeaker's http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/31/AR2007073101628.html">new "nuanced" attempt at easing her conscience.

Everybody's secretly "in favor" of impeachment, as long as they don't have to DO anything about it. And his pompous claim that there are secret "ways that most of us could hardly imagine" is so patronizingly insulting that its nearly bushcheneyist.

At least he's honest enough to admit that "the best hope for the country is you guys."

Because there's certainly no hope to be found in him.

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[Totally Committed]

36. I respectfully disagree with you. But, of course, your opinion is just that...

your opinion. Who else is showing up at rallies and even speaking the "I" word these days? This could hurt him politically. He knows it and says it anyway. Good for him!

He's a good and decent human being, and that's more than can be said about 99% of the people we actually ELECTED. And, they won't touch impeachment, let alone put it "on the table", even though we practically ordered them to do it in the last election.

Sorry, this appearance took courage no matter how you look at it. But, you are entitled to your opinion.

TC

[Senator]

42. It is not opinion...

...that his defense the DC impeachophobes who are so "pressured" by these mystery forces is just political weaseling. He knows better than most that our soldiers and torture victims are being pressured in ways no one should have to imagine.

There's no "courage" involved in quibbling over something as important as impeachment. If he'd speak out for stopping the war crimes and defending our Constitution, these rallies would be for his candidacy.

That would be courage.

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[FrenchieCat]

45. You are incorrect in that this post of yours certainly IS your opinion.......

as based on opposing documented facts to this "opinion of yours" as to what Clark has been stating since 2003. And so I beg to differ with the opinion that you spout versus what Wes Clark has been calling for all along.

And yes, the rally should have been for his candidacy....but just because it wasn't, doesn't make what you say accurate.

In other words, Clark has shown much courage, and you have shown no facts to the contrary.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3440220&mesg_id=3441881

[Senator]

52. I can prove it's not opinion...

...but I am being "pressured heavily in ways that most of us could hardly imagine" not to do so.

Am I weaseling?

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[Jai4WKC08]

54. It doesn't surprise me that you don't know the difference

Between opinion and fact. Because make no mistake, it is PURELY your opinion that Clark's defense of the Democratic leadership is "just political weaseling."

Well, it is my opinion that your opinion is completely worthless, mostly because you are so poorly informed. Clark has spoke out against Bush's war crimes and in defense of our Constitution more times than anyone can count. He has given whole speeches and written op/eds on just those subjects.

[Apollo11]

38. Clark understands politics

Impeachment (of Bush and/or Cheney) doesn't happen just by Nancy Pelosi calling a press conference and saying "hey guys, we're putting it back on the table".

First of all, Democrats in congress would need to know that the American people want them to go ahead with impeachment.

The best way to proceed is to investigate specific crimes and misdemeanours. Don't give up or go slow. Proceed with all due speed and diligence.

Nobody would respect a judge who calls the verdict before considering all the evidence.

If anything is like Cheney, its arriving at your conclusion before all the evidence has been properly examined (like about Saddam's WMD).

[Totally Committed]

39. I disagree with this part:

"First of all, Democrats in congress would need to know that the American people want them to go ahead with impeachment."

(1) We've already pretty much DEMANDED they impeach the bastards. (Same with withdrawing the troops...) They are choosing to ignore us.

(2) That's why they are elected. When the POTUS or VPOTUS commits a high crime or a misdemeanor, it shouldn't matter HOW popular or unpopular they are. They should be impeached for those crimes, because it's the right thing to do for this Country and to keep the COnstitution strong. Period.


I am tired of the lack of moral fiber in those we elected to represent our best interests. Never mind all the other lies and bullshit, but if starting a war on a lie is not a high crime, and all the deaths that resulted are not MAJOR crimes -- each and every one -- what ever will be?

IMPEACHEMENT -- IT'S NOT JUST FOR BLOWJOBS ANYMORE!

TC

[Apollo11]

40. Wes Clark is smart

enough to know that he cannot publicly criticize Democrats in Congress.

We need to stay united and focus our attack against the enemy.

This is pretty basic military strategy - I would think.

Otherwise the story becomes "Clark slams Reid, Pelosi". The GOP would love it.

[Totally Committed]

41. "Otherwise the story becomes "Clark slams Reid, Pelosi"....

...The GOP would love it."

I have to be totally honest -- so would I! LOL! I know that your're saying and -- yes -- calmer heads must and will prevail. So, no I don't think Wes will challenge Reid or Pelosi, for the sake of Party Unity. There is just a part of ME now that would LOVE to see him do it. To shame them into it. I know he won't, but I'd LOVE to see him (or anyone with a public pulpit) do it.

I am sick and tired of these cowardly, craven, colluding DINO assholes that we have in DC right now. They SUCK.

TC

[Senator]

43. No, he really doesn't

He is afflicted by the same beltway blindness as the rest of the Dems among the DC/Euphemedia Analstocracy. Otherwise he wouldn't be parroting the same false rationalization memes they've all been trained to spout.

They are not "proceeding" or "going slow." They are not "considering all the evidence." And they already know that a majority has wanted bushcheney impeached since before the last election.

They are simply refusing. For partisan, political reasons. As the torture continues. Now under "bipartisan" tolerance.

And as a result, their poll numbers have gone lower than bush's.

They understand politics about as good as the regime understands hurricane relief.

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[FrenchieCat]

44. I think that your opinion is wrong and respectfully disagree with your conclusion

about Wes Clark and Impeachment.

The fact that he was in attendance at an Impeachment Rally speaks more words than you providing a link to your website to read what you quote elected Democrats has having said about the matter and then you likening Clark stance as being equal to that.

Sunday, Jan. 18, 2004 1:51 p.m. EST
Clark Calls for Bush Impeachment Probe

Democratic presidential candidate Gen. Wesley Clark is calling on the House of Representatives to begin an impeachment probe into what he says was President Bush's decision to invade Iraq under false pretenses.

Asked by a reporter if he thought Bush's decision to attack Iraq constituted an "impeachable offense," Clark said Thursday, "Let's have that investigation done."

Asked next if he thought the president's decision to go to war was "criminal," Clark told the Associated Press, "I think that's a question Congress needs to ask."

"I think this Congress needs to investigate precisely" how the United States wound up in a war "that wasn't connected to the threat of al-Qaeda," the former NATO commander said.

"This was an elective war. forced us to go to war," he complained.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/1/18/144051.shtml

".....I believe that being right isn't enough. We must also be strong. So while I get angry, I'm reminded of the old saying "Don't get mad, get even." And to me, getting even isn't about political payback, but it's instead getting equality, justice, balance, and fair play back into American life.
< >
Where's the justice where sergeants and colonels are punished for the abuse of prisoners but the political leaders and high-ranking lawyers who encouraged and perhaps directed it remain in office - exempt from accountability for the tragedies they unleashed. "
http://securingamerica.com/node/2197


IN AUGUST OF '03

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/08/17/sprj.irq.clark.comments/
Ex-NATO commander: Iraq shouldn't be center of war on terror
Sunday, August 17, 2003
attacked the Bush administration Sunday for launching a war with Iraq on "false pretenses" and spreading the military too thin amid the global war on terrorism.
snip
Clark has called on Congress to investigate allegations that the Bush administration overstated intelligence about Iraq's weapons programs.
snip
"The issue is the issues," he said. "What does America stand for? How do we want to behave in the world? What does it take to fulfill America's dreams at home?"

IN SEPTEMBER OF '03
http://www.markarkleiman.com/archives/000070.html
And now, the moment all you Valerie Plame fans have been waiting for: the CIA has made a formal referral to the Justice Department.

And I think we can count on Howard Dean, who has already broached the issue, and Wesley Clark and Bob Graham to keep this issue boiling.
--------
Inquiry call over US agent leak
BBC Washington correspondent Justin Webb says the president's opponents believe this affair could do real damage to the reputation of the Bush White House.

Democratic presidential hopefuls Howard Dean and Wesley Clark said a special investigator should be appointed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3151066.stm

AND IN OCT 2003....

Democrat Clark Blames President Bush
for Sept. 11 Intelligence Failures

Clark, a retired Army general who led NATO forces in Europe, delivered his sharpest critique yet of Bush's foreign policy. As the newest entry in the Democratic presidential race, he echoed many of his rivals arguments for removing Bush from office.

Clark argued that Bush has manipulated facts, stifled dissent, retaliated against detractors, shown disdain for allies and started a war without just cause. He said Bush put Americans at risk by pursuing war in Iraq instead of hunting for Osama bin Laden and other terrorists, pulling a "bait-and-switch" by going after Iraqi President Saddam Hussein instead of al Qaida terrorists.

He called Bush's labeling of Iraq, Iran and North Korea as an axis of evil in his January 2002 State of the Union address -- "the single worst formulation in the last half century of American foreign policy."
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/103003A.shtml

Saturday, October 04, 2003
Wesley Clark Calls for Criminal Investigation of Bush Iraq policy

beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia, and Sudan. So, I thought, this is what they mean when they talk about 'draining the swamp."

"Nothing could be a more serious violation of public trust than consciously to make a case for war based on false claims. We need to know if we were intentionally deceived. This administration is trying to do something that ought to be politically impossible to do in a democracy, and that is to govern against the will of the majority. That requires twisted facts, silence, secrecy and very poor lighting." Wes Clark
http://www.juancole.com/2003/10/wesley-clark-calls-for-criminal.html

http://www.atsnn.com/story/29514.html
Clark Calls for Congressional Investigation on Iraq War
Wesley Clark, saying the "President is more concerned with political security than national security." Clark further contends that Bush has been obsessed with Saddam Hussein since first gaining office, and did not do enough to protect the nation against impending terror attacks.

This is a broadly covered story. You can also look here for additional coverage;
http://www.politicsnh.com/archives/pindell/2004/january/1_13Clark.shtml
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108236,00.html
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040113_240.html
http://money.cnn.com/2004/01/13/news/oneill/

[Senator]

51. Newsmax Said Impeachment -- Not Clark

No call to impeach, no courage.

Full stop.

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[Jai4WKC08]

55. Oh yeah, sure... he's a coward

Because he thinks the investigation should precede the articles of impeachment. Because he'd actually like to see impeachment succeed, or at least see it keep the pressure on Bush so he can't do any more damage than he already has.

Let me tell you something. Anyone in the House could draft Bush's impeachment tomorrow and it could be voted down on the next day the House is in session, and forgotten the day after that. If no one makes the case, the LEGAL case, that "high crimes and misdemeanors" have been committed, then filing the papers is essentially meaningless.

Fwiw, when Feingold first introduced his motion to censure Bush, Clark was probably the ONLY top-tier Democrat to go on record to say censure was not enough.

[Senator]

62. There's no "case" to make

Impeachment is not a legal process, it is a political one. But even if it were, the regime has already "confessed" -- already stipulated as to the facts.

They claim that they are "allowed" to commit war crimes and violate domestic and constitutional law. It is they who must try to make that ridiculous case in the Senate trial.

All that is left for Dems, and Repubs who still respect the Constitution and rule of law, to do is stand up and say NO.

Anything else is "essentially meaningless."

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[Jai4WKC08]

63. You're not paying attention

There IS a case that must be made, to the American people. If the people aren't brought along with the process -- much harder now because of the media -- then impeachment will be voted down in the House and quickly forgotten as "just another political stunt."

[Totally Committed]

35. ".... Joined by Tom Hayden and Wesley Clark"

To an aged hippie, like myself, that phrase, alone, brings a certain wistful pride and sorrow about Wes. He's so much more Liberal than many give him credit for being, and so ready to do what he feels is right and moral.

This man, whether you agree or disagree with him on one issue or another, has a moral compass that he allows to steer his course through life. He doesn't do the expedient thing, or the easy thing, and he doesn't always say the popular thing (although, in this case... he did), but the point is, he does it or says it, and the personal consequences be damned. I always appreciated this about him.

If more of the people we actually saw fit to ELECT showed this
TC

[Cameron27]

46. Aging hippie here too,

I know exactly what you mean by that statement, "joined by Tom Hayden and Wesley Clark." It would have assured FBI surveillence, who knows, maybe it means the same thing today.

It always amazes me that people don't know how progressive Clark is. I wish people would just spend some time reading about him, and not let the 4 stars get in the way.

[AtomicKitten]

58. Clark is a gem.

a genuinely decent man

[Alexander]

50. Clark is far better than any of the candidates currently running.

He's easily my #2 choice behind Gore.

I hope at least one of them runs.

[Vidar]

53. Good for Clark & Hayden

[Blue_In_AK]

56. I love the General

I really wish he was running. I have no enthusiasm for our current crop of nominees.

[IndianaGreen]

59. Someone please make Wes Clark shut the fuck off!

He said he would support the investigation leading to it. I then asked why Congress is not going forward with Impeachment. He explained that people in high public office are pressured heavily in ways that most of us could hardly imagine, to do what the right-wingers want them to do.

What is he trying to do, snap us awake from the drug induced stupor the MSM has been feeding us about impeachment? We are supposed to be talking about Lindsay Lohan or Britney Spears, and the accomplishments of our glorious Democratic Congress, and our "Dear Leader" in the White House.

When impeachment is mentioned, the public at large might think that high crimes and misdemeanors have been committed. We sure don't want that to happen, General! :sarcasm:

[Donna Zen]

61. If there are no REAL investigations

Then our country will have given up on the rule of law...or as Wes Clark calls it, the DNA of democracy.

He knows very well that without the investigations there can be no impeachment. That is why he has consistently called for investigations because there is no doubt, no doubt at all, that any serious investigations would lead to only one conclusion: bush and all of his gang are guilty as sin.

Now there are others currently campaigning would do not want to hold bush's feet to the fire. The reasons are various but all of them are political short-term thinking.

If we are unable to hold them accountable, then our nation cannot regain credibility in the world, heal our broken democracy, and these renegade powers will be passed on to future presidents no matter what party they belong to. These are dark times. General Clark has said that he believes there are Democrats who are willing to fight to out the truth. More and more, I think that those willing to fight are being over ruled. I hope he is right and I am wrong.

[Jai4WKC08]

64. Thank you Donna

What you said bears repeating, with bold font:

He knows very well that without the investigations there can be no impeachment. That is why he has consistently called for investigations because there is no doubt, no doubt at all, that any serious investigations would lead to only one conclusion: bush and all of his gang are guilty as sin.

I think some of these people live in very blue places, or all their friends are good progressives who keep at least somewhat informed -- they don't need convincing. But those of us who live in red or red-leaning states and districts know that most people aren't there yet. And yes, MANY Democratic members of the House are from districts like the one I live (and I have a Democratic rep) where they cannot win without Republican votes.

[bunnies]

60. But... what the fuck does this really mean at the current juncture?

NOTHING. If he's not going to run... then this means nothing. Nothing! :banghead:
I'm sorry. But Im so fucking frustrated with these "Hillary moves to a thousand point lead" stories... At this point, I think my head is about 30 seconds from exploding. Fucking Damn It!!!!!

Dear Wes:
Run or stop fucking jerking the rest of us around. You're only making me realize how much I hate my choices (except DK). But thanks to "groupthink" DK isnt "electable" (I say screw that crap). So either: RUN, Endorse Someone, or STFU!!!

sigh. Sorry everyone. Just venting.

b~