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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 08:13 AM
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DailyKos: Mrs. Clinton Biggest Loser in Convention Debate
Interesting article at DailyKos on Mrs. Clinton's appearance at their annual meeting.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/6/102513/7704

Some choice quotes:

"The Chronicle’s coverage was by far the worst coverage of Hillary Clinton and the Convention that I have read. Most newspapers like the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times led with the Clinton-Obama flap about lobbying money, and the Washington Post said she got “mixed reviews.” None was so uncritically positive about the myth that Hillary made peace with bloggers"

"Besides the Debate, delegates got to attend an individual break-out session with one of the candidates. None of the delegates asked Hillary about Iraq, but that’s because only five people got to ask questions. And unlike Edwards and Obama – who in their sessions blindly called on the bloggers themselves – Hillary had her Internet Director, who has heavily courted the netroots and knew who in the room was friendly, pick on people."

"Her answer to my question was absolutely awful. Like her statements in the Debate, it exposed her as an anti-progressive triangulator – and was the tensest moment of the break-out session. If Democrats wake up and realize that the Bill Clinton years (although far better than the Bush years) had some serious issues and we cannot trust Hillary to be a progressive leader to get us out of the wilderness, she can be defeated."

"Hillary lost even further credibility when she said that we are now safer than before September 11th. Everyone knows that the invasion of Iraq has ruined our standing in the world, and her statements that “we’ve made a lot of changes” such as taking off our shoes at airports was both naïve and insulting. Edwards had a great response about how the use of torture and other attacks on our civil liberties has made us less safe."
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 08:22 AM
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1. This is IMPORTANT:
"Her answer to my question was absolutely awful. Like her statements in the Debate, it exposed her as an anti-progressive triangulator – and was the tensest moment of the break-out session. If Democrats wake up and realize that the Bill Clinton years (although far better than the Bush years) had some serious issues and we cannot trust Hillary to be a progressive leader to get us out of the wilderness, she can be defeated."


I feel it is imperative that she NOT be the nominee for this Party. Ditto for any of the other DLC-ers (Richardson or Dodd).

TC



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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 08:23 AM
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2. BASH BASH bash bash bash bash bash
It a Hillary Clinton supporter posted as many bashing articles as those who support Obama bash Hillary Clinton this journal would burn up. I can not for the life of me understand why they type of people who like to slam and bash all gravitate to Obama. I am glad I am for Edwards. They are more reasonable. They might not be ahead but they are more stable than those supporting Obama.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 08:52 AM
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5. Did you read the linked diary?
It's mostly a testament to how the media is shoving Hillary down our throats, not "bashing" her, specifically, but the media that is pushing her for their own reasons.

TC


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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:07 AM
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6. I agree with them on that one. I refuse to let them do that. We just need to do a massive
push back against the MSM sending emails to editiors etc. I am sick of them trying to pick a candidate for us.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 08:26 AM
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3. this was actually a very insightful diary in how the press is always free passing hillary
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 08:48 AM
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4. We must cut the ties of the Bush-Clinton years and begin anew. Corporate
money must be eliminated from campaign financing and as access to politicians through lobbying for special considerations. Enough! No to Hillary, no to corporate money.

Yes goes to adherants of domestic policies and world peace. It's time to put the black ops in the bathtub and drown 'em, as well as those misanthropes who doth protest.

NoFederales
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:09 AM
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7. dailykos is extremely biased...one would only expect a negative piece on clinton
since i read it every day I can vouch for that. does that make dailykos right or wrong? no.

this 'diary' is just an opinion piece, nothing more. The only fact in it is the "fact' that the author has an opinion.

and to edit it to include some "choice quotes" is just more spin.

an anti hillary clinton diary on dailyos is hardly "interesting"...in reality it is expected.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:11 AM
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8. I beg to differ one of Hillary supporters is trying to say the complete
Opposite here on DU. That she was the biggest hit at yearly KOS. You can't have it both ways.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:14 AM
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9. yep. Now, a PRO-Hillary piece on dailyKOS. THAT would be interesting.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:59 AM
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10. The most misleading article is on Salon.com --
Cheerful boos for Hillary

At the YearlyKos convention, the mixed reception for Hillary Clinton is more evidence that the liberal blogosphere might not take sides in the coming Democratic primary.

The most self-controlled figure in Democratic politics, Hillary Clinton, seemed to know from the outset that she was walking into a trap. The cavernous ballroom of the Hyatt Regency was filled with about 1,500 liberal bloggers and activists -- the so-called Kossacks, the former Deaniacs, the people-powered Joe Lieberman-bashers who helped reshape the Democratic Party for the 21st century. So when the loud boos finally arrived, a full hour into the Democratic presidential debate at the second annual YearlyKos convention Saturday, and two hours after her arrival at the convention, all she could do was smile. "I've been waiting for this," she told the crowd. "This gives us a real sense of reality with my being here."

Then something happened: The crowd started to laugh. Then it cheered. Then the cheering grew even louder than the booing. Up to that moment, the debate audience had been voicing their disapproval of Clinton for defending Washington lobbyists, whom she allows to contribute money to her campaign unlike her top two rivals, Barack Obama and John Edwards. "A lot of those lobbyists, whether you like it or not, represent real Americans," she told them. But now they were voicing their approval, and not because they suddenly agreed with her. Any poll of YearlyKos attendees would almost certainly place lobbyists in a circle of hell just a step or two outside the ones reserved for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, Fox News talker Bill O'Reilly and Vice President Dick Cheney.

More... http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/08/06/yearlykos/index_np.html
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