I signed on to work in the Hillary Clinton campaign.

[MaryBear]

For the first time in many elections, I am excited by a Presidential candidate. -mb

[The Magistrate]

1. Break A Leg, Ma'am

[Auntie Bush]

26. Now Sir, that wasn't gentlemanly.

[The Magistrate]

29. Nothing Ensures Disaster Better, Ma'am, Than Wishing Good Luck

That draws the notice of malevolent spirits who delight in seeing the opposite of one's desires come to pass....

[Robson]

36. Sir...so who are you for?

Actually I'd just as soon that the mods played it close to the vest, and keep us in suspense.

[The Magistrate]

38. I Have No Preference, Myself, Sir, At This Point

Sens. Clinton, Edwards , and Obama all would make an excellent President, and all are capable of making an excellent campaign in the general election.

"The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that's the way to bet."

[NMDemDist2]

2. she sounds better everytime I hear her

I'm so undecided at this point.....

[Tellurian]

8. There isn't a doubt in my mind, she'll WIN!

The Primary and the General!

Best Wishes, MaryBear...

I can't sign up yet, but I intend too!

[calteacherguy]

3. What about her excites you? nt

[Tellurian]

53. Here's something that might.. USA Today said:

"If the nomination comes down between the two, Clinton was preferred over Obama 59%-36%."

http://usatoday.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Poll:%20Clinton%20widens%20lead%20on%20Obama%20-%20USATODAY.com&expire=&urlID=23346900&fb=Y&url=http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-08-06-poll_N.htm?csp=34&partnerID=1660

[quinnox]

4. Congrats

She is exciting I agree.

[JeffR]

5. She's not my candidate by a long shot but

good for you for getting active and good luck to you.

And if she gets the nomination, she gets my vote.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

6. Glad you're working on a campaign!

They're lucky to have you working for them :hug:

[ronnykmarshall]

7. Go get 'em Mary!

I'm gonna see Hillary this Thursday!!

I can't wait!

[ElizabethDC]

9. That's so exciting, MaryBear!

I, too, am excited about Hillary as a candidate. Best of luck working for her - I know it'll be great! :D

[JDPriestly]

10. She has sounded good in the debates.

I would like to know two things. Please ask her for me.

1) Does she support Bill Clinton's initiatives in 1997 to persuade the European Parliament to rescind laws that protected the privacy of the European's telephone call records and records of other electronic communications? (At that time the surveillance was justified by the need to prevent identity theft. It is now justified by the need to catch terrorists.)

2) Does she realize that her supporter, Rupert Murdoch, is in turn supported by Saudi Arabia? What would she do if the person she appointed as Attorney General or one of the U.S. Attorneys she appointed began an investigation of Rupert Murdoch and others who are financially supported by the Saudi Arabians or if there were a large scale prosecution of people in the pay of the Saudi Arabians for treason? Would she try to silence or end such prosecutions?

These issues are likely to arise in the next months. Please tell all of us DUers how Hillary answers these questions. I hate to flame and I want to say that Edwards is my favorite candidate. Up to the last few days, I have said I would vote for any Democrat. I would like to be able to continue to say that, but I have become genuinely concerned about Clinton's candidacy in the light of information I have learned in the last couple of days about Bill Clinton's role in the surveillance projects and about the possibility that the Clintons accept Saudi money in a round about way. I was always a big fan of Bill's. Now I'm not so sure.

[rodeodance]

11. i recall workig for the kerry Camp----it was delightful-met a lot of nice people

[durrrty libby]

12. Excellent choice MaryBear. I hope you have a wonderful experience

I also plan to work for her

[SaveElmer]

13. Congrats...and go get 'em...nt

[jefferson_dem]

14. Contributing to the process feels great...

no matter who you are supporting.

Have fun!

[Alamom]

15. Congrats. nm

[billyoc]

16. I applaud your decision to volunteer.

I'm lobbying(can't really say campaigning yet) for Edwards, but we must have as many DUers
involved in the process as possible. :hi:

[Name removed]

17. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

18. Me, I signed on to work for Edwards. I think he's doing a grassroots campaign.....

Just dealing with the little people, rather than the big wheels.

[More Than A Feeling]

31. I just canvassed for Edwards in Iowa for the first time this past weekend.

People were really nice. They actually waited to hear everything I had to say, rather than rushing me off their porches. That blew me away. I don't think I sold anyone, but facetime is what is important. A lot of undecideds.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

108. Think grass roots movement. The people suffering the most will vote for Edwards.

Love Edwards!

[AtomicKitten]

19. You go, girl.

I think it is brilliant when people are turned on to the process.

I LOVE working elections.

[Colobo]

20. I should do the same for Obama. We need him to be the president in 09.

[Ethelk2044]

23. I will be doing the same for Obama

[NotGivingUp]

21. self-delete

[MonkeyFunk]

35. Yeah

it's insane how Clintons keep running and winning, eh?

[NotGivingUp]

40. so what. WE'RE NOT! n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

44. You're not running?

Well then you won't win. Insane!

[Mind_your_head]

22. I trust that your decision won't in any way effect your duties as moderater.

Thank you for your participation in the democratic process. I'm curious, though, why do you feel a need to publically announce your affliction?

[PassingFair]

24. For realz!

In previous years, Moderators have been held to a
neutral appearance standard.

It seems THAT is a thing of the past.

[Mind_your_head]

25. Yes. 'Curious', isn't it?

rhetorical question....although so many people wonder why "DU'ers are leaving"? .... go figure *hmmmmpf*

[Sonicmedusa]

27. For Realzzzz

The partyzzzzz are merging into ONE.

[LittleClarkie]

30. You two are making my teeth itch

For realz?! (shudder)

[Mind_your_head]

37. Focus on the message, not the 'form'

If the message makes your 'teeth itch'......well, that's something to focus in on. Spelling is 'great', but it's not 'everything', is it?

[LittleClarkie]

39. The spelling detracts from the message when it makes

the purveyor of that message look less than serious, even when they are.

[Mind_your_head]

51. Perhaps.....but just by your post you acknowledge that they are 'very serious'

spelling aside (and it wasn't even 'bad/ignorant spelling....it was a new 'cultural' spelling. This person is educated enough to spell it properly, they just were being 'new/cool' (kewl ;-) )

Peace....we probably agree on the 'big stuff' (if not, we'll see each other in hell),
M_Y_H

[PassingFair]

55. I wasn't aware that we were supposed to be deadly serious ALL the time.

Besides, I was "taking off" on all the "you go girl" cheerlead-y
posts to the MODERATOR who was expressing her BIAS.

Sorry for offending your sense of decorum.

[LittleClarkie]

76. Not decorum. English major. Sorry for letting a pet peeve get the best of me

I'll try to suck it up next time.

[PassingFair]

95. You have a pet peeve against humorous dialect?

You must really hate Dickens.

[LittleClarkie]

28. I see nothing in the rules that forbids becoming part of a campaign

See for youself:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/moderators.html

All she has to do is perform her duties in a neutral manner. It appears moderators are allowed to express their own thought an opinions, as long as it's understood that when they post in a thread about an issue they're speaking for themselves and not DU, and that they do so in a civil manner.

As long as she can still do all of this, I don't see the problem.

[Mind_your_head]

34. Perhaps it's not in the 'rulez', but there's such a thing as 'prudence' and

good judgement.

We ALL make mistakes.....but this mod didn't have to announce which campaign she was gonna work for. The mod could have left it neutral (i.e., "Hey I'm working for one of the Dem candidates campaigns!!!!")

Something to consider for the future, I guess.

Peace,
M_Y_H

[LittleClarkie]

41. Then again, there are those who would have balked at the non-disclosure as well

"What are you hiding" and such.

[TSIAS]

33. As a former mod

I always found it best to stay out of the primary wars. I was a big Dean supporter in 2003-2004, but didn't really participate in the GD forums. However, displaying a candidate's avatar is a bit questionable, but I'll allow the Admins to handle that internally.

[Hippo_Tron]

113. I openly supported Lamont during the primary as a moderator

However, I checked with other moderators before posting some of the things that I did about Lieberman and recused myself from decision making if I thought I was biased.

At least from my experience, the mods do an excellent job of keeping their political views and their decisions separate.

[PassingFair]

114. But THAT was a CLEAR case of good vs. evil.

:evilgrin:

[Hippo_Tron]

117. That it was

Lieberputz has lived up to everything that us "crazy lefties" accused him of being.

[The Magistrate]

42. Would You Not Agree, Ma'am, Such A Public Disclosure Is The Honorable Course?

It is a fact that a very broad range of political views is represented in the moderator forum, and also a fact that consensus among us is necessary for any action.

[Mind_your_head]

45. Yes, public disclosure is good.

self-edit

[Politicub]

32. I predict it will be a great experience

A lot of hard work, but it's worth the reward!

[NotGivingUp]

43. Well, here's hoping she's better than her husband...but she won't be.

Clinton ended the ban on production and importation of PCBs, stopped the phase out of Methyl Bromide (a toxic pesticide and ozone layer depleter), supported the weakening of the safe drinking water act (by allowing increased levels of arsenic and lead in drinking water), signed the Salvage Rider law (which cut down thousands of acres of healthy forests), signed the Panama declaration (which weakened protection for marine mammals including dolphins and whales), supported international distribution of Recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone, supported mountain top removal strip mining, continued subsidizing the sugar industry in Florida (which poisons the Everglades & diverts water away from wildlife that needs it), and lowered grazing fees on public land. Clinton also supported the World Trade Organization (WTO), which weakened or removed environmental protections, including the weakening of the clean air act and the removal of part of the Endangered Species act's protection of sea turtles. In 1996 former Sierra Club President David Brower wrote, "President Clinton has done more to harm the environment and to weaken environmental regulations in three years than presidents Bush and Reagan did in 12 years."

<snip>

Some democrats attack Bush over outsourcing, but Clinton supported NAFTA, GATT, the WTO and "free trade" generally, which caused outsourcing to go from a trickle to the current flood. Under Clinton the budget for the federally funded Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC) increased by over 30%. OPIC gives loans and guarantees to companies intended to encourage investment in "developing" countries, which tends to encourage outsourcing. For example, Kimberly Clark transferred 600 jobs to other countries as a result of this funding and Levi Strauss transferred 100 jobs overseas for the same reason. In other words, the government gives loans to companies, through OPIC, to ship American jobs overseas and Clinton increased OPIC's budget from under $100 million to $3 billion. Under Clinton 14% of OPIC's loans went to Citibank. Robert Ruben, one of Clinton's Treasury Secretaries, became director of Citibank after leaving office. Under Bush OPIC's budget decreased to $800 million. The problem with outsourcing is not that it "steals American jobs," as nationalists argue, but that it replaces relatively high paying jobs with lower paying jobs, causing the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer. Clinton's policies were even more pro-outsourcing than Bush's.

<snip>


Clinton’s foreign policy could best be described as “cruise missile imperialism.” ABBers attack Bush for his alleged unilateral “go it alone” foreign policy and for invading Iraq on false pretenses. Both were largely a continuation of Clinton’s policies.

Clinton increased funding for the military. He also bombed more countries than any other peacetime president, including Yugoslavia, Sudan, Iraq, Somalia and Afghanistan. In 1998 he bombed alleged terrorist training camps in Afghanistan (which were built by the CIA for Islamic terrorists in the 1980s) supposedly being used by Osama Bin Laden and a factory in Sudan Clinton alleged was producing chemical weapons for Bin Laden. No proof that this factory was producing chemical weapons was ever provided and it was later proven that the plant was actually a medicine factory. This probably resulted in thousands of deaths (there was no investigation so we can’t know the exact number) because the source of medicine for many Sudanese was cut off.

<snip>

Clinton’s policy towards Iraq set the stage for the invasion of Iraq. In 1998 Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act, which made regime change in Iraq official US policy. Clinton waged a terrorist car bombing campaign against Iraq, whose targets included school buses, and attempted to overthrow the Iraqi government via coup. Madeline Albright, who later became Clinton’s secretary of state, said in a May 1996 interview on “60 Minutes” that she thought the death of 500,000 Iraqi children due to sanctions on Iraq was “worth the price.”

Clinton repeatedly bombed Iraq throughout his term. In 1998 Iraq stopped cooperating with weapons inspectors, claiming they were being used by the US as spies. Clinton had the inspectors withdrawn and launched Operation Desert Fox, a major bombing campaign against Iraq much larger than his previous bombings of Iraq. Afterwards the US continued bombing Iraq on an almost daily basis until the invasion. A later UN investigation found that Iraq’s allegations were true; the US was using the inspectors to spy on Iraq. Bush merely escalated Clinton’s aggression against Iraq from a low intensity war to a full-fledged invasion, an escalation that probably would not have been possible had Clinton not been laying siege to Iraq for his entire term. Clinton’s bombings of Iraq were completely unilateral, without UN approval and carried out solely by the US and UK.

[Lucinda]

47. Oh Good grief.....

[ronnykmarshall]

80. Folk sure are loading up on fiber today.

[Sparkly]

46. It's fantastic to feel excited about a candidate.

I don't have that feeling at the moment, but I'm glad for you and wish you the best in campaigning for her! :hi:

[Lucinda]

48. Very kewl!

I'm still shopping...congrats on making your decision.

[emilyg]

49. Good for you!

What an exciting time. Bravo.

[emilyg]

50. Good for you!

What an exciting time. Bravo.

[The Backlash Cometh]

52. Hi MaryBear.

Could you ask Hillary if Chelsea is going to enlist if Hillary becomes president and supports the continuation of the war?

[Ethelk2044]

56. I would like to know the answer to that myself

[The Backlash Cometh]

60. I'm thinking that if Hillary's answer is no, then she should save Chelsea

from a lot of grief, because you know that's going to be the question on everyone's mind.

[ronnykmarshall]

82. A double dose of fiber today!

[BigDDem]

59. I think Chelsea will be in line

right behind Cate Edwards.

[The Backlash Cometh]

61. Is John Edwards recommending that we continue this war?

[BigDDem]

62. No, and neither is Hillary

What's your point?

[The Backlash Cometh]

68. Let's go back to square one:

This is the original question:

"Could you ask Hillary if Chelsea is going to enlist if Hillary becomes president and supports the continuation of the war?"

Let me break it down for you:

(1) The poster is working for Hillary's campaign so she would be in a good position to ask a pressing question.

(2) The question is, if Hillary becomes president AND supports the continuation of the war, will Chelsea enlist?

It's a fair question, and one that we should know before she becomes president.

It's also a fair question to ask Edwards. Is Cate going to enlist if Edwards becomes president AND supports the continuation of the war. But this isn't an Edward's thread.

[BigDDem]

69. Bottom line:

Neither Chelsea or Cate is going to enlist.

If I'm wrong Ill crawl from Dallas to Chapel Hill and sign up
for the Edwards campaign.

[The Backlash Cometh]

74. Of course neither one of them will.

But which president would be the bigger hypocrite about asking someone else's family to make a sacrifice that they're not willing to do?

And I'll never forgive Bill or Hillary for allowing Chelsea to take a job with a Hedge Fund when she has a degree in Philosophy. For Christ's sake. Of all the bonehead things to do if you want to be president. Philosophy for crying out loud! How could she not see the moral dilemma with that decision? Her classmates must be rolling their eyes.

[MonkeyFunk]

84. LOL

"allowing" Chelsea? Chelsea's an adult - she can do whatever the hell she wants. How were the Clintons supposed to stop her?

[The Backlash Cometh]

88. Come on. What kid grows up getting a philosophy degree, then

"lucks" into a Hedge Fund job without their parents pulling strings? Do you have any idea how this looks to 98% of the public who don't have those kinds of connections?

[MonkeyFunk]

90. I just looked it up

she majored in History at Stanford, and has a Masters Degree in International Relations.

[The Backlash Cometh]

91. Hang on. I'll search for the link that said otherwise

[The Backlash Cometh]

93. Here's the thread on Hedge Funds that just makes them look

incredibly "elitest" for lack of a better word.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1503585

I need to go back further to look for the one I read just prior to that one that told me about Chelsea's job.

God I hope you're right.

[MonkeyFunk]

94. well you may have one link

but all sources say she graduated from Stanford with a degree in History, doing her final thesis on the Northern Ireland Peace Process.

Here's a NYT article about her graduation:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C05E2DC1331F93BA25755C0A9679C8B63&n=Top%2FReference%2FTimes%20Topics%2FPeople%2FC%2FClinton%2C%20Chelsea


Here's a CNN article discussing her studying International Relations at Oxford:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/03/08/chelsea.clinton.ap/

and of course, wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Clinton#Life_after_the_Clinton_Presidency

[The Backlash Cometh]

99. That's phenomenal! That's what I would have expected from Chelsea.

Now I'm searching for the person that sent me on a bum steer.

[The Backlash Cometh]

100. Searching the DU archives.

Is there any way to bring up all of my posts, regardless of forum, for the last two months?

I really want to look this up, but this forum, by forum search is tedious.

[The Backlash Cometh]

106. I'm defeated by the DU Search engine. You win this round.

I don't doubt your facts, but the person that told me about Chelsea, also provided a link so there's a piece of information missing and I'm not happy about the fact that I can't retrieve it. This is why I only post to General Discussion when I start a thread, unless I think I'd get a better answer on a more specific forum. Because it's easier to search the archives. But trying to figure out where someone said something on a subthread in a Forum someone else started is just crazy and is the one DU flaw.

If there's anyone with a Superintendent key to the search engines and can do a global search on DU, please look up my author name and the key word, "Philosophy." It would have been in the week or two prior to the Hedge Fund article. What was that title? 2,000,000,000 for 25.

Touche.

[MonkeyFunk]

111. well

there's this recent thread in GD:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1503585#1503594

But you have no relevant posts going back three years that contain the word "philosophy" in either GD or GD-POlitics

[The Backlash Cometh]

115. It was just a couple days to a couple weeks prior to that one where

the person made the comment, and I could have sworn my response repeated the words, "Philosophy Major."

But it wasn't my thread, so I can't remember the forum.

Always glad to change my views or admit I made a mistake if someone goes through the trouble of providing irrefutable evidence. Unlike someone we know...

[BigDDem]

87. What century are you living in?

So parents should "allow" or disallow their adult children from
taking a particular job?

[The Backlash Cometh]

89. This is my bias:

Chelsea Clinton would not have gotten that job without her parent's name. I doubt she would have taken it without some counseling from her parents. That's not the kind of job a Philosophy Major would accept easily.

That's my bias.

[MonkeyFunk]

96. first

as shown above, she wasn't a philosophy major.

Second, so what? I know philosophy majors who work in all sorts of professions. There just aren't that many full-time philosophy jobs out there.

[BigDDem]

98. Nice dodge.

I was sure you wouldn't answer the question.

[The Backlash Cometh]

101. I'm allowed to have prejudices, just as anybody else does.

But, stay tuned, you may just have me eating crow yet. Unfortunately I'm taxi mom for the next hour, so it will probably be later tonight.

[fujiyama]

54. Good for you!

I don't support her in the primaries (but will grudingly vote for her in the ge).

BTW, what was it about her that attracted you to it?

Also, as much as I don't like her, I don't want her to lose to a republican. Please give us any feedback you receive from people about her when campaigning or canvassing for her. I get the sense there are many that dislike her out there, but perhaps (and hopefully) you can prove otherwise...

Good luck in your efforts.

[zulchzulu]

57. Start by telling us why you are excited by your candidate in a few sentences

Give the elevator pitch. Also, what will you be doing with the campaign? Grassroots stuff?

[zulchzulu]

97. Anybody?

Jus' askin'.

[zulchzulu]

102. Thanks for the convincing argument...

:shrug:

[Name removed]

58. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[wyldwolf]

64. "whore," "stumpet" LOL!

Slut! Harlot! Hussy! Floozy!

[Forkboy]

65. Sounds like an episode of Married With Children.

[ronnykmarshall]

66. Or "The Golden Girls"

Blanch (talking about Sophia): I just love it when she teases me and calls me names like "slut", "harlot", "floozy".

Dorothy: Or when just calls "Shore leave".

Blanch: God I love that woman.

[Forkboy]

78. I always remember one exchange from that show.

"Et tu Judas?"

"No,it's me,Rose."

:rofl:

[BigDDem]

67. So...

you'll vote for the republican if she wins the nomination?

[cd3dem]

73. I hope your principles are worth the price of your decision

the SC will be in the hands of RW for 30 years, start memorizing your "Ten Commandments"

[durrrty libby]

70. This poster has a different view on lobbyists

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3431872



"Edwards was flatly wrong and played to peoples' ignorance in the process. Clinton was right - most lobbyists do represent real Americans. I know - I AM one of those lobbyists. I represent millions of American students, teachers, and education administrators."

[wyldwolf]

63. you know you don't really exist, don't you? You're imaginary.

[Cameron27]

71. Ah well, she must be 'old' and

totally uncool lol.

[ronnykmarshall]

85. Unhip, honey. It's unhip.

Plus uneducated. As we've been told over and over.

[William769]

72. Congrats MaryBear!

This is going to be an exciting campaign year, and the Hillary campaign is a exciting one. You will be a part of history on this one.

[Catchawave]

75. Congratulations for finding your passion, but

can we expect other mods to endorse their candidate also?

This just doesn't feel comfortable MaryBear, were you at Yearly Kos too?

[Broke Dad]

77. I'm in the ANYBODY but Hillary camp, so don't call

Hillary, Hillary staff and Hillary volunteers . . . don't call me. I am in the ANYBODY but Hillary camp. After hearing and seeing them in Iowa, I am 99% sure that I will be caucusing for Edwards.

[ronnykmarshall]

79. Someone's had their fiber this morning.

[rinsd]

81. "I am 99% sure that I will be caucusing for Edwards." Good news for Clinton and Obama then (nt)

[ronnykmarshall]

83. Oh YOU!

:spank:

[ronnykmarshall]

86. Maybe you should inquire with Skinner.

I don't believe this is a violation of the rules.

[Catchawave]

92. I didn't question the "rules"

I'm all for positive and supportive candidate threads and comments. I'm sure this pleases Hillary supporters :D Good luck to you all :patriot:

But....

[beastieboy]

103. Good for you, she excites many of us!

[saracat]

104. Why?

[derby378]

105. Well, good luck to ya...

I'm leaning towards Bill Richardson, myself, since Gore has yet to throw his hat in the ring.

[proud patriot]

107. Congratulations MaryBear

:woohoo: I still have yet to decide ..

[MaryBear]

109. Go for your candidate. Volunteer! And if you are a mod,

or if you are not a mod, follow your passion. I did check with senior mods and with Skinner before I posted anything. The point of this OP is that I am excited. Work for whomever excites you. I am going with Hillary and will work for the Dem candidate even if it is another. BTW, as one of the Lounge mods, my main bias is against rude, personal attacks. We all have points of view. Maybe at some point I will expound more on the reasoning behind my support for Hillary. For now, I am sharing my commitment, and also my excitement, not felt in many previous elections. I like the feeling.

-mb:dem:

[cd3dem]

110. sick of the rude personal attachs too

Hillary keeps stating the same thing... we need to stay united... there are more differences between the dems and the reps then there are between any of the candidates in the dem party.... any of them would beat any of the reps... the only reps I could stand to listen to is Ron Paul and he is not a rep....

state what you like about your person... volunteer and help win this thing... personal attachs against your own party never won an election...

[William769]

112. Share all you want.

I encourage anybody MOD or Member to share, whoever their candidate is.

[laugle]

116. Kick!!

[Catchawave]

118. I look forward to other mods following your fine example :)

:shrug: