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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 12:26 PM
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I believe 2008 will give us a Democratic White House.
Edited on Sun Aug-05-07 12:37 PM by Old Crusoe
The next U.S. president will likely get to make two Supreme Court appointments.

If Al Gore decides not to run for our nomination, I think he would make a good choice.

And so would Mario Cuomo.

Anybody else think Al Gore and Mario Cuomo on the Supreme Court would make Scalia's head explode?
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fightthegoodfightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 12:29 PM
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1. Wow
My vote would be Gore (if he doesn't want to be President). What a pleasant thought. That might just get me through the week! Thanks.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 12:31 PM
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3.  -- -- --
:dem: :hi:
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 12:30 PM
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2. Don't know about exploding heads, but has there ever been a nonlawyer on the Court?
Al Gore doesn't have a law degree and I really don't know about Mario Cuomo.

Intriguing idea tho!
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 12:34 PM
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4. Actually there is no requirement that Supreme Court justices be lawyers...
There have been a number of them over the years that were not...it has become part of the tradition now, but there is no requirement...

Having said that, I highly doubt Gore would be picked because of that...

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 12:35 PM
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5. In the early days of the Court it was common. We could claim it as a revived
Edited on Sun Aug-05-07 01:11 PM by Old Crusoe
precedent. Many state court have non-lawyers on the bench, but recent welcome in the Senate Judiciary Committee has favored the experience jurist over the nonlawyer.

2008 could be one of those years when conventional wisdom just flies out the window.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 12:43 PM
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7. Might want to re-check that...
There's been a number of scotus justices who were non lawyers.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 01:00 PM
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11. I think you are right. In the past it was common, in fact.
I'll amend the post upthread.

thank you.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 12:37 PM
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6. Not Gore. I don't believe he would break up the media monopolies
that he himself orchestrated.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 12:44 PM
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8. I think you'd be
wrong on that.
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 12:48 PM
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9. I think that's what's behind a lot of the "softness" of the party...
...that we're seeing now, and that a lot of us are sick of. The Dem leadership is determined, above all else, to take back the White House. They will do NOTHING, including risk impeachment, to jeopardize that. We could argue all day over whether or not that's the "right" decision, but, actually, it almost should be the top priority. If we lose the '08 election, we are fucked fucked and fucked again. Right now, we've only got 2 "fuckeds." We hand SCOTUS over to the right wing for the next 2 generations, and we will cease to exist as a democracy. Right now, we're hanging on by the skin of our teeth, but most of the damage can be reversed in time, with a Dem in the WH and with a Dem Senate. If we lose SCOTUS with no hope of recovering it for decades, we're toasted fucked. I think that's behind a lot of the compromising that driving us all crazy. And it's something they could never say or admit to.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 01:03 PM
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12. Well at our house, we're calling for a Democratic victory in 08
at all levels of the ballot and 2 or more progressive votes on the SCOTUS.

I'm proposing Gore and Cuomo.

That ought to meet the progressiveness quotient fairly well.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 03:12 PM
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18. Winning in 08 is essential to the future of this country. That is why I am looking
for the Dem candidate who stands the best chance of winning in the general election. I'm getting edgy about Hillary and Obama. One of the talking heads on MTP today echoed my fear: Obama would raise real (altho unspoken) racial bias. But then he went on to say that that wasn't a big a fear for Hillary. Well, I disagree with that. So now I am leaning toward Edwards because I like what he has to say and I think he is electable. But just leaning at this point...
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Sadie4629 Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 12:52 PM
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10. I don't think it's a good idea to have a non-lawyer on the USSC
But how about President Clinton? Or would the deal in his perjury case preclude his serving? I know he can't argue cases anymore, but what about serving as a SC Justice? Could a NEW President Clinton overturn his deal, so he could serve?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 01:05 PM
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13. It's a provocative thought, but I think a President HClinton should
not be seen as granting favors to her husband.

I think Bill is going to have to get a hobby, though. I mean other than THAT hobby.

There was talk a while back of his maybe running fo Mayor of New York. It's a tougher job than U.S. President, but I think the Big Dog can handle it.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 03:19 PM
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20. OMG, who in their right mind wants to be mayor of NYC?
IMHO, it is practically ungovernable. Bloomberg is doing fairly well, but he never looks like he has blood in his veins. But something happens and the snow doesn't get shoveled in Queens and there's a near riot in front of Gracie Mansion. Or the unions start striking to tie up the city in knots. And on and on. Poor Bill would be crapped on by every group in New York. I think he prefers his current adulation...

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:48 PM
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25. Yeah, probably he does. On the other hand, he needs something to
do.

Not sure how it will all shake out but he can't just do luncheons and lawn fetes.

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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 06:46 AM
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28. Yes, it is a waste of his talent. I love to see him on TV whatever
he is doing. He was on Rachel Ray's program recently cooking with her. I got a huge kick out of that!
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 01:21 PM
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14. Nominate Kucinich and watch not only their heads explode but
every fiber of their being.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 01:25 PM
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15. I'm envisioning a dinner conversation between Scalia and Dennis.
With Scalia trying to squash him like a bug and Dennis outflanking him the way dolphins take out a white shark.

I'd pay very good money to hear and watch an event like that.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 01:44 PM
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16. Robert Reicht? Robert Kennedy Jr? Patricia Schroeder?
Any of those would be cool.

I agree about the WH, btw.

AND if we get decent margins in the two houses of congress - I predict the current investigations get handed over for federal prosecutions... with no hope of presidential pardons.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 06:01 PM
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21. The three folks you list are A-OK in my book, salin. Love 'em all.
So it's official, then. We'll put Reich, RFK Jr., Schroeder, Cuomo and Gore on the next Supreme Court.

That means 3 people have to leave.

I have my list of those 3 already and I bet it's real similar to yours.

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 01:48 PM
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17. Gore is a great guy but not an attorney.
It would be difficult to serve as a Supreme Court justice for someone who has no experience as an attorney. You have to know a lot of things about the history of law including common law that lay people just don't know. Also you need to be very practiced in legal research and in dealing with lawyers. He probably would not want to learn all that stuff on the job.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 06:03 PM
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22. Agree that in modern times the jurist is preferred over the nonlawyer.
But Gore has the intellectual rigor to pull it off he he wanted to.

Anyway, I'd like to see Scalia challenged and defeated in legal debate.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 08:04 PM
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24. I believe that Gore has the wisdom to say "no" if asked.
That aside, Gore's book, The Assault on Reason is great. I hope he writes more books.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 03:14 PM
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19. I love that, OC...
Exploding heads on the Supreme Court would be a welcomed sight for these sore eyes. :)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 06:05 PM
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23. Hi, Blue_In-AK. Yep -- a change is needed on the SCOTUS, and a
Democratic White House would bring it about.

We lost 5-4 in the Florida decision in 2000. Time to tilt that number the other direction!
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Like It Is Donating Member (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 10:21 PM
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26. Gore would be a great choice for the Court.
But he may be having too much fun doing the Global Warming thing. It's important too. Mario Cuomo would be a great choice except for his age. We need young Justices who will be around a while.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 11:25 PM
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27. Hi, Like It Is. Yeah -- there'll be some pressure to choose younger
appointees.

Thank god Harriet Miers isn't on the Supreme Court. There's enough kooks on it already.

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Like It Is Donating Member (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 09:51 PM
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35. She may have been better than Alito ! n/t
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:15 AM
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29. Mario Cuomo is too old
and Al Gore has no experience in jurisprudence.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:17 PM
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30. Some of my best friends are old.
And the Constitution permits nonjurists to serve on the High Court.

The point is the balance moving back left from the Scalia/Robert/Thomas axis of evil.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 09:54 PM
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36. Cuomo will be 77 years old
by the time any Dem could appoint him.

It would be pointless to nominate him - he'd serve a couple years.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:39 PM
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31. Oh my ..... Cuomo!!!
God I love that man.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:58 PM
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33. Me too, ronnykmarshall. I volunteered for his mayoral campaign way
back in New York. I lived in Queens then. What a mayoral race it was, too. Those were the days of Abe Beame, Mario Cuomo, Ed Koch, Bella Abzug and then-Democrat Herman Badillo.

It was a smokin' hot time to learn how to be a Democratic volunteer, let me tell ya.

And I would absolutely love to have Mario Cuomo on the U.S. Supreme Court.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:42 PM
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32. Explode, yes. but, Gore would not want to be on it.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:38 PM
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34. Both have a common trait, then are fact finders and not decision makers. Neither would take it. nt
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 09:55 PM
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37. Although I concur that is an important position -
I think Gore if not interested in running for president should work on the national stage. He has such a knack.

I'd like to see RFK, Jr. in the White House or on the Supreme Court.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 11:14 PM
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38. RFK, Jr. as Attorney General, maybe... sounds pretty good to me.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:55 AM
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39. It will either be a Democrat or Hillary
The question is whether they'll have a friendly congress to work with...
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