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KitSileya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 05:40 AM
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"Hillary worse than Bush"
In my local newspaper today there's an interview with renowned peace and conflict expert Johan Galtung, who is director of the international TRANSCEND network, and considered the founder of peace and conflict research. Here's some of what he says (my translations.)

"Hillary Clinton doesn't have a noble motive when it comes to withdrawing American troops from Iraq. She's not against the war. She's only against losing the war," says Galtung, who thinks the presidential election isn't interesting. (He has predicted the downfall of the US as a superpower, just as he did in the 70s with the fall of the USSR set to 1990.)

"The USA should have realized the consequences of the fact that the attack (9/11-01) was partly caused by their own politics. They should have immediately recognized a Palestinian state." He also thinks that of the three Western countries that have experienced (Islamic fundamentalist) terror attacks, Spain and Zapatero handled it best.

Galtung also says it would be cowardly of the West to withdraw from the Iraqi war now. He thinks that the United States should apologize to the Iraqis, and then take of their uniforms and start doing humanitarian work. "But the US doesn't have the moral courage to do that," says Galtung. He thinks that negotiations is a must, and the only way to achieve peace in Iraq is if the three parts of the country can find a consensus to form a loosely connected state.

With regards to Afghanistan, he thinks that the US and Europe should stay away, and that the Afghani can make peace with hlp from their Muslim neighbors. "Americans are lousy mediators of peace."

He also criticizes Norwegian efforts to negotiate a peace treaty between the Tamils and the Sinhalese in Sri Lanka.

http://www.bt.no/utenriks/article392051.ece (Norwegian article)
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 05:51 AM
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1. I notice this guy has the power to read minds.
Edited on Sat Aug-04-07 05:51 AM by Perry Logan
He knows that Hillary's motives for ending the war are not "noble." The man is a crackpot.
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KitSileya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 06:03 AM
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3. I think that's explained in the following sentence.
She isn't interested in creating peace in Iraq, she just doesn't want the US to lose. I'd say that's pretty ignoble, don't you? Americans have caused the death of 3/4 of a million Iraqis, destroyed pretty much any infrastructure, and don't seem interested in even discussing how to get the country back on its feet again. That's dishonorable by any standard.

Johan Galtung is known for his work as a mediator in over 40 conflicts worldwide and for his research on peace and conflicts. He is professor at several distinguished universities, and a recipient of the Right Livelihood prize in 1987. If that makes him a crackpot, then I wished we had more crackpots - however, I suspect that if he had not criticized Hillary Clinton, you wouldn't have called him a crackpot at all....
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 06:06 AM
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4. Hillary = Bush when it comes to first use of nuclear weapons
Bush wants a new generation of bunker buster tactical nukes to be used on a first strike against Iran, or any other target he fancies. Hillary said this week that first use of nuclear weapons is a legitimate option to keep on the table.

Bush is crazy. Hillary is reckless.

Bush = Hillary on first use of nukes!
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 07:45 AM
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6. Hillary = a great leader who does not take anything off the table.
Why paint yourself into a corner with absolutes?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 02:38 PM
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8. Your Hillary considers nuclear genocide to be a valid option
During the breakup of Yugoslavia, some people considered rape to be a legitimate act of war. They are now fugitives of justice.

No American President, except for Bush Jr., has ever considered the use of nuclear weapons in any situation other than in retaliation for a nuclear strike on the United States. To treat nukes as just another weapon in the nation's arsenal to be used whenever it becomes convenient is reckless and dangerous.

Anyone that shows such callousness about nuclear weapons should be locked up before they harm themselves and others.
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SunDrop23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 07:36 AM
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5. Right...wonder if he can look into his crystal ball and tell me where I left my keys.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 05:57 AM
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2. From 1st to worst; American history from 1980 to the 21st century.
We had a President that made more progress toward ME peace in 1 term than the decades before and the 27 years since, and picked up a Nobel Peace Prize along the way, now we have an illiterate Robber Baron with virtually no opposition.

Kind of make you proud doesn't it?:crazy:


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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 07:51 AM
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7. Johan Galtung = idiot
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