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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:20 PM
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Clinton and Obama not on speaking terms
Edited on Fri Aug-03-07 11:23 PM by calteacherguy
By Jeff Zeleny
New York Times
Updated: 2 hours, 6 minutes ago

They work in the same building. They slog through the same rigorous travel schedule. Along the way, they often cross paths several times a day.

But Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama have barely spoken to one another – at least in any meaningful way – for months.

The tension between the two Democratic presidential hopefuls, which spilled over into public view during the past two weeks, has been intensifying since January. It is clear, as the candidates approach a mid-point in their fight for the nomination, that the genteel decorum of the Senate has given way to the go-for-the-jugular instinct of the campaign trail.

As the Senate held an unusually late session of back-to-back votes on Thursday evening, the two rivals kept a careful eye on one another as they moved across the Senate floor.

For more than two hours, often while standing only a few feet apart, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama never approached one another or exchanged so much as a pleasantry. In the clubby confines of the Senate, even the fiercest adversaries are apt to engage in the legislative equivalent of cocktail party chit-chat.

The Clinton-Obama watch has become something of a parlor game, and not only for the scribes sitting in the gallery above the Senate floor. The strained relationship between the two Democratic hopefuls also has drawn the attention of their colleagues, who are loathe to take sides, but often will rush over to chat with Mr. Obama or Mrs. Clinton if either is spotted standing alone.

Consider a scene from the Capitol on Thursday, where lawmakers worked through a long stack of amendments before passing children’s health insurance legislation (an issue presidential contenders could hardly skip).

It was a few minutes after 8 p.m. when the side doors of the Senate swung open and three Democratic candidates walked through.

Mrs. Clinton, of New York, and Senator Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut came first, laughing and smiling as they made their way to the Democratic side of the aisle. A few paces behind was Senator Joseph R. Biden of Delaware, who quickly joined the other two in a light moment. (Earlier, Mrs. Clinton and Senator John McCain , an Arizona Republican, had been trading warm banter near the front of the Senate floor, which takes on the air of a schoolyard during marathon voting sessions like these.)

Mr. Obama entered the Senate floor alone. He glanced at the other three, pulled out his Blackberry and paused for a few seconds before walking to the third row and taking a seat next to three freshman senators. As the evening passed, Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton each spoke with several Republicans in the room and to nearly every Democrat -- except each other.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20115151/


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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:29 PM
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1. Ever think this is a crock of shit?
This whole "feud" is such bullshit.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:46 PM
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10. It IS all BS! I watch cspan a lot! Now obviously I don't know what they
talk about, but I've SEEN them walk over to each other and speak a number of different times. Not usually for more than a few minutes, but that's typical of everybody there!

I find it MUCH more amusing when I see NOBODY talk to Stevens. THAT distancing was really obvious in the last 2 days.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:33 PM
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2. this started in the new session in Jan. when Hillary stopped speaking to him
Edited on Fri Aug-03-07 11:34 PM by illinoisprogressive
right after he announced his exploratory she stopped speaking. This was discussed back then. they are not friends and have never been. that is why I laugh at all the sh** about the two on a ticket. fat chance.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 12:25 AM
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18. Doubt she is the one who stopped speaking
I watched them both during the all-nighter last month and Obama deliberatley kept his back turned away from her, after he scoped out where she was...she didnt turn away from him until later
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:39 PM
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3. Who cares...?
A bunch of heresay and gossip...when it comes to crunch time both will do what is necessary to make sure a Democrat wins next year...

I hate these types of articles...a waste of bandwidth...
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:42 PM
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5. I think it rules out any Clinton/Obama fantasies.
Clinton is going to choose someone she feels she has a good relationship with, she's not going to be like Kennedy choosing LBJ.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:43 PM
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8. Not at all...
I remember these same types of articles about Kerry and Edwards...political necessity will outweigh anything else...

And I don't put alot of stock in an article like this in any case...little more than gossip...
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:41 PM
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4. Not only are these two not speaking to each other, they're both
dispatching their aides to do the flaming-poop-in-a-bag trick to each other's residences.

And let's not even mention the gunfight in the Super 8 motel in Amarillo.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:42 PM
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6. I don't see this as significant if true.
The senatorial clubbiness is nauseating. In general, political opponents from the other party should be struggled against, not befriended. And I don't see it as important that legislative colleagues from the same party be friends with each other, so long as they can be productive in achieving shared goals.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:42 PM
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7. And the soap opera continues.....
while our soldiers are dying in Iraq.

While there is genocide in Darfur.

While thousands don't have health insurance.

While thousands go to bed hungry.

While bodies are being taken out from under a bridge.

But who cares about that? It's Hil-bama time.:crazy:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:45 PM
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9. you mean there`s something far more important
than these two children throwing their poo at each other? really? i thought the world revolved around them...
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 12:03 AM
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12. If you listen to the MSM - that's all there is
Unless of course you listen to Lou Dobbs :P
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 01:51 AM
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20. What is that I hear?
A sense of Perspective!

Yuck, this whole thing reminds of a high school student council election!
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:48 PM
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11. Obama isn't missing much
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 12:07 AM
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14. lol. nm
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BluegrassDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 01:53 AM
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21. Bill Clinton doesn't even talk to Hillary
So it's no surprise. Perhaps if Obama were a woman, she'd be more apt to talk.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 12:06 AM
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13. Kind of sad, the way he's pissed away the Vice Presidency in the past week or so -
guess that's what comes from inexperience. :shrug:
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 12:07 AM
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15. HRC would never pick him; he would overshadow her. nm
Edited on Sat Aug-04-07 12:08 AM by TeamJordan23
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 12:14 AM
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16. You just keep telling yourself that dear, sure -
Edited on Sat Aug-04-07 12:16 AM by smalll
Mr. I-will-talk-to-all-our-enemies-without-preconditions-plus-I'll-promise-never-to-use-nuclear-weapons-on-them-and-by-the-way-let's-raid-Pakistan would overshadow her. Mr. I-use-"um"-too-much-when-I-answer-questions-and-rely-too-much-on-my-innate-intelligence-and-am-too-lazy-or-arrogant-to-study-the-books-like-Hillary-and-by-the-way-did-you-know-my-middle-name-is-Hussein?
Overshadow her.
That's the ticket.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 12:24 AM
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17. Why should there be pre-conditions just to talk to adversaries?
That's absurd. That's the way the chimp operates.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 12:38 AM
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19. wow. Are you really a Democrat? What do you have against his middle name being Hussein?
Edited on Sat Aug-04-07 12:41 AM by TeamJordan23
Also, I want to know what book did HRC read that the Iraq War would be a smart thing to do?
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-04-07 01:54 AM
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22. Obama would be dumb to get on a ticket
with the most polarizing politician in the US anyways.

Polls may show people are MORE open to the idea of her being president than earlier (being that the republican alternatives are so much more terrible), but I've never seen a politician so casually disliked by so many people.

Hillary could beat Romney, but she'll struggle against Giuliani or Thompson.
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