Hillary knows exactly what she is doing - attacking Obama was pure genius

[Herman Munster]

Many people criticized Hillary on DU for attacking Obama by calling him naive and inexperienced. It in fact was brilliant.

He has responded too strong and inserted his foot into his mouth repeatedly like many republicans who have tried to attack Hillary in the past. Hillary played Obama like a violin. Take the opposition off balance and let them self-implode while being calm cool and collected.

Since Hillary called Obama out, Obama has done the following idiotic blunders:

* Calling Hillary BushCheneyLite and offending democrats who have an 80%+ approval rating of Hillary according to polls is not smart. Also destroying the BS hope campaign of new politics. He's the same old same old.

* Changing his position on what condition his condition was multiple times

* pissing off Pakistan by threatening to invade them and causing protests and diplomatic headaches

* changing his position on nuclear weapons 3 times within 10 seconds looking foolish and indecisive

Naive. Inexperienced. Hillary lit the match and allowed Obama to burn his house down.

Well Played.

[geek tragedy]

1. The infidels will perish in the streets of Baghdad! eom

[MADem]

3. Huh? Where'd that come from? nt

[geek tragedy]

18. Baghdad Bob. eom

[MADem]

27. Ah...the reference was a bit aged!!! nt

[Major Hogwash]

2. Sure it was. Just keep telling yourself that.

Because Hillary has enough money now to "buy" the election.

It took "real genius" to do that.

[juajen]

15. My word, you are so aptly named.

Did you choose that name, or, was it given to you?

[ronnykmarshall]

24. Buy the election? ...... oh dear. Time for more of this.

[Madspirit]

4. ...and he brings his fucking god into it all...

I hate that. I won't vote for him in the primary because of his religious crap.

Lee

[sandnsea]

8. Because no other Democrat mentions god

I usually respect your opinion, but that ones rather out there.

He's the only one I've heard that has confronted the right wing and point blank called them haters. Maybe you just don't understand what he's trying to accomplish.

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/204017.aspx

[Madspirit]

13. Sorry

I don't dislike him. I was just really disappointed when he talked about god. Hillary said she didn't feel comforable talking about religion and that in her opinion, it is a private matter. I don't like her either though...<g>

If I could have anyone for president of all of the contenders, I would pick Kucinich.

Lee

[sandnsea]

16. did you click and read

He talks about religion in order to confont the haters. We can't keep avoiding the topic.

"When you have pastors and television pundits who appear to explicitly coordinate with one political party; when you're implying that your fellow Americans are traitors, terrorist sympathizers or akin to the devil himself; then I think you're attempting to hijack the faith of those who follow you for your own personal or political ends."

"For my friends on the right, I think it would be helpful to remember the critical role that the separation of church and state has played in preserving not only our democracy but also our religious practice. Folks tend to forget that during our founding, it wasn't the atheists or the civil libertarians who were the most effective champions of the First Amendment. It was the persecuted minorities, it was Baptists like John Leland who didn't want the established churches to impose their views on folks who were getting happy out in the fields and teaching the scripture to slaves.

It was the forbearers of Evangelicals who were the most adamant about not mingling government with religious, because they didn't want state-sponsored religion hindering their ability to practice their faith as they understood it. Given this fact, I think that the right might worry a bit more about the dangers of sectarianism.

Whatever we once were, we're no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of non-believers. We should acknowledge this and realize that when we're formulating policies from the state house to the Senate floor to the White House, we've got to work to translate our reasoning into values that are accessible to every one of our citizens, not just members of our own faith community."

[Madspirit]

82. I Did Read It and Thank-you

I do get a little put out...and you're one of my favorite people here so please don't get mad, it's just that I have encountered this four times in the last week...when people say, "I normally think you have good opinions but this...THIS...what you say here..."

I will probably NEVER agree with or be agreed with 100% of the time by even my closest of friends. I cannot hold back opinions just in case I disappoint someone. That would make me a liar or disingenuous or.... I always state what I really believe. Sometimes I even contradict myself because I have been known to change my mind about things...but I am ALWAYS honest. THAT you can count on.

Anyway, sorry about that it's just that you are like the 4th person this week to do the..."I am disappointed in you..."...type thing.

I loved the quotes in your post and I did go to the links provided. Very informative and good stuff and food for thought. ...and thank-you.

I have very personal reasons for LOATHING religion. My father was an outspoken atheist who debated Christians publicly. We were basically tormented and tortured and harassed and stalked and threatened...by good Christians. My brother used to get beaten up at school. We got bags of of hate mail, DEATH THREATS, accusations of being Commies, even though my father was a WWII many medaled war hero, etc. It wasn't pretty. So yes, I am not very tolerate of the intolerant.

...and supposedly we have this separation of church and state thingie. ...and yes, I know it doesn't use those words but that is how it has been interpreted by most legal scholars. ...no establishment of official religion or something. ...and I wish no politician would EVER discuss it as some kind of ..."look how Holy I am..."

Still, that was good stuff you quoted. I did say, if he was the nominee, I would vote for him and I will, if he is...

Thanks again for the quotes and links.
Lee

[Captain_Nemo]

30. Actaully, he removed a pro-choice passage from his "famous" speech on religion by saying

that he realized it was "offensive." It was strongly pro-choice and an anti-choicer complained to him. He responded by 'having his staff remove the offending passage."
(He invokes his staff a lot doesn't he?)

I was offended by his removal of it.

Women's reproductive rights is not something to be wishy washy on. If we lose choice we ALL lose.

I know what Obama is doing. HE and his ego are trying to be president.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

43. Obama also voted "present" on half of abortion bills in the Illinois state legislature

Instead of taking a stand. Why? Political reasons. This is not even disputed.

==Sen. Barack Obama calls himself a strong defender of abortion rights, and the presidential contender quickly condemned the recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling upholding a ban on a controversial late-term procedure. The decision, he feared, "will embolden state legislatures to enact further measures to restrict a woman's right to choose."

But this is how Obama voted in 1997 when he was new to the Illinois legislature and got a chance to take a stand against bills to impose a similar statewide ban on what critics call partial-birth abortion:

"Present," the political equivalent of taking a pass.==

==Perhaps nothing illustrated Obama's calculating style more than his approach to abortion. The state Senate voted 14 times on various abortion restrictions during his tenure. Half the time, Obama voted "present."

He said it was a strategy agreed to by abortion-rights advocates to insulate Democrats from political backlash in more conservative areas. But Obama's Hyde Park district was one of the state's most liberal.==

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-0705030101may03,1,2089175,print.story?coll=chi-news-hed

[Perky]

68. As opposed to Hillary and her ego and het Alter ego????

:rofl: Foing to be one crowded Oval office if Hillary is elected

[Captain_Nemo]

77. She is smarter and more capable than obama.

[Perky]

78. Bwahhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Ok...well I guess that setttles it.

[Captain_Nemo]

83. Maybe you can show me where Obama is smarter than Hillary by giving me examples of his experience.

[Perky]

84. No I think the burden of proof is on you....

You are the one who said she was smarter...prove it....:shrug:

[Captain_Nemo]

86. OK. Here it is.

He had his staff write a memo and give it to the New York Times. It implied/indicated unsavory practices on the part of Clinton. He did this after proclaiming his campaign was to be "different" and not negative. And he indicated that the memo was not to be attributed to his staff.

It never occured to him she would give the memo up to the MSm for publication.

He had to apologize.

Now, that is one example.

[Perky]

88. Umm I tin the The IWR vote was a whole lott stupider than that

And he did not tell the staffer to write the memo or give it to the Times..The mere fact that the staff thatit occured does not mean he was involved.

[Captain_Nemo]

89. Not when your running on a "different" type of campaign. He is the same old thing.

[Ethelk2044]

21. I am glad dems are showing they are religious. People think because you vote

dem you are not religious. I am sick of hearing that crap. African Americans are very religious however, the majority of them vote the dem ticket. All of them should be proud of who they are instead of being ashamed.

[Captain_Nemo]

29. I hate that "god" stuff too! His "God" has a male persona (indicated by male pronoun.)

No, he's not so radical. He' snot even different from the rest.
Except for Hillary who recently said that her religion is private.

Thank you, Hillary.

[earthlover]

45. OK...I guess you just HATE it that he believes in sep of church/state and acknowledges atheists

Gees, a guy like that, better stone him!!! Because he mentions god. And he over and over states that people who worship other gods or no god at all are fine and dandy. Which, apparently is more religiously tolerant than you!

[Captain_Nemo]

54. Obama invokes a male God and says that he believes in "His truth." "His word." Doesn't sound very

radical to me. In fact, he sounds to me (as a woman) like he is upholding the status quo of male domination. IN the smarmiest way possible: he invokes the words to embrace the fundamentalists that think I (as a liberal) am evil. Yet, he hides inside a liberal coat. Disgusting.

I'll take my chances with Hillary, the feminist.

[earthlover]

61. Obama made it clear that he believes America is for people who worship any god or no god!

In so doing, he is speaking out and confronting the religious right who believe that America is a "Christian nation".

Hmmm...has any other candidate spoken out so strongly to confront the religious right? Best Hillary can say is religion is "personal" and won't go there.

So, you find it "disgusting" because Obama, like the followers of many religions, worships a god that is pictured as male in language. Well good for you! You are entitled to your beliefs. So is Obama. The difference between you and Obama is that you attack people because of their religious beliefs and he doesn't. That is what I find repulsive about the religious right, and it is obvious they are not the only ones who attack people on the basis of religious beliefs differing from their own.

[Captain_Nemo]

76. I have been tolerating the religious right since 1979. Male dominated religion keeps women down.

hating religion. Religion that invokes the supreme deity as male is damaging to women. The reproductive rights argument is framed with religion (and the god is male). violence against women and girls is seen as atrocious, yes, but it is also seen as a NATURAL part of our society, ie; men are aggressive, women are weak.

If you want to see a more just society then you have to start changing the foundation of our society that make women unequal.

The first to go must be male dmoinated religion.

I don't care what anyone's religion is. I don't want their belief that "god is male" shoved down my throat by politicians that cannot see beyond their own narrow definition of religion. This is where Obama comes in.

Can the man just turn on his intellectual brain and discuss religion in nonsexist terms so we can begin to see our society and the people in it as a truly fair and level playing field?

No, he can't. Because he doesn't really believe in this religious shit - he is doing it to get votes.

As long as he plays along with the rabid misogynisitc elements of our society women stay down.

I will not tolerate it anymore. Hillary says her religion is a private matter. I'll stick with her.

[earthlover]

80. Obama went out of his way to say America is a nation for believers of all faiths or no faith

So, regardless of your views on the maleness or femaleness of God it is clear he is NOT trying to shove anything down your throat.

The use of male language for God is quite common among Christianity and many religions. Heck, even "America The Beautiful" refers to God in the male gender (God she His Grace on Thee....).

However, it is also a common belief within Christianity that God is a spirit, and that male-female simply does not apply in the way we use the term.

We could get into a theological discussion about it, but it sounds like your mind is pretty set. I happen to believe the Christian God has many "female" characteristics, and in my view calling God a "her" would make just as much sense.

However, unlike you and unlike the religious right, I believe in religious toleration. I would never think of excluding someone from consideratin or calling someone a name or dismissing someone's character on the basis of religios views. That is a reason I like what Obama said.

Hillary just said it is a private matter, and it is quite possible she goes to a church too where they sing "Faith of our Fathers", "This Is My Father's World" and etc. Chances are in her church they recite the Lord's Prayer which also has a male reference to "father". So calling it a private matter doesn't mean she doesn't view god as a male either!

Fact of the matter is that neither are trying to shove religion down our throat. And Obama has actively said just that. Yet somehow you find a way to take Obama's statement that America is not a Christian nation and twist it around to make it sound the opposite.

I suspect partisanship has put on blinders.

[Captain_Nemo]

87. Yes, I am set in my belief that the patern of a male dominated society (replete with aberrations

such as violence against women and children) uses many tactics to maintain that domination.

This mindset is also reflected in how the male dominated society has treated the earth. Please read susan Griffin's WOMAN AND NATURE: THE ROARING INSIDE HER.

If you want to get a handle on the earth - look at how women are treated.

Then look at how our language reflects that treatment. I now there are liberals that say "oh yeah, God is both male and female" but they still use male pronouns. I think you are kidding yourself if you think this practice doesn't affect women's status in society and our view of ourselves.

The practice has to go.

Any real change has to start with language/relligion.

When I hear "His Truth" come out of Obama's mouth I know he is not talking to me. He just doesn't think deeply enough for my taste.

Signed,
an earth lover, too.

[Mass]

5. Clearly. Hillarys supporters think it is so. They must be right.

:sarcasm:

[earthlover]

46. Naw...you don't see Hillary taking a stand saying America is a nation of people of various faiths

and also a nation of nonbelievers. You won't see Hillary making a point to ADVOCATE religious tolerance. Nope, just like on so many other things, Hillary thinks this is a personal matter and uses this as an excuse to be mum about it.

Just this week she said the first use of nukes should still be on the table. So maybe it is a good thing that Hillary is mum about religion. If she was to say anything, it might be to say that another crusade or inquisition is an option that shouldn't be left off the table, and anyone thinking that communication with infadels would be naive and irresponsible!

[pocoloco]

6. If she is so fucking smart why would she vote yes on the IWR??

Good fucking God! Get a grip!

Smarter than Obama but not as smart as *??

[David Dunham]

7. Obama's toast. Burned to a crisp.

[ronnykmarshall]

25. Yeah right ...... lotta this being thrown around today.

[MADem]

28. The theme was noted on MSNBC just a while ago.

That's likely where it is coming from. It's pretty much the way the panel framed it, too.

And so what? It's an opinion.

And that said, there's going to be a lot of back and forth in the months ahead.

No one move is a maker or a breaker--unless it's the dead girl/live boy sort of move.

This is a long race. I'm amazed at how the supporters of all the candidates can get so exorcised, and keep up the umbrage day after day, week after week. I'm glad I don't have a candidate yet, I'd be fucking exhausted!

[earthlover]

47. Welcome to DU. But there are many moons between now and when it counts

[Captain_Nemo]

31. she voted to give Bush power to go in if they DID not comply. How many timtes do we have to go over

this?

[MannyGoldstein]

36. Strange - A Poll Showed That 2/3rds Of Americans Thought Bush Had Already Decided To Attack Iraq

This was a poll taken very shortly after the IWR vote. 2/3rds of Americans knew what Mrs. Clinton did not? Cripes, that puts her in the bottom 1/3rd of the country in cluefulness, which is terrifying.

[earthlover]

48. Hillary knew what she was doing, which is beyond naive!

She still hasn't owned up to making a wrong decision either.

[earthlover]

63. But she voted AGAINST the Levin AMendment that would have bought more time....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3140690

<i>The Levin Amendment would have required a vote from the UN, and then if Vote lost in UN then the administration would have had to come back to Congress for a 2nd vote before using force.</i>

So I don't think it is obvious that Hillary was only voting to attack Iraq if it didn't comply with UN. In fact, she voted AGAINST the amendent that would have required a vote from the UN and a 2nd vote by Congress.

Hillary's voting for the IWR was bad enough. Voting against the Levin Amendment the same day was just as significant, and even more damning.

[Dawgs]

66. Thank you.

And, I noticed that Hillary voters ignored your post. Big Surprise!

[MannyGoldstein]

34. Because The IWR Was The Right War, At The Right Time!!!

It took serious political courage to vote for the IWR - most Democrats voted against it, they are obviously stupid, or hate our freedoms.

[journalist3072]

9. Obama has overplayed his hand and is not ready for prime time. eom

[Tellurian]

32. Yep, Hillary gave him the slightest nudge...

and he took the bait, hook, line and campaign sinker...

He sure is an egotistical little renegade..

Sure, Hill's numbers will wobble a bit, but within a week, we'll see Obama numbers continue to deteriorate into the high teens.

[earthlover]

50. I disagree

1) most Americans, and certainly most Democrats, favor talks with our enemies. This goes beyond party lines, too. Republican and Democratic presidents have talked with our enemies. It is Bush that has broken the long tradition of US foreign policy by only talking with friends. Hillary's calling Obama's willingness to talk naive got filtered through the echo chamber, but with time people will realize that it was Obama that had the position more consistent with American beliefs.

2) Obama said we should, if the opportunity arises, take out Been Forgotten. Of course, since they are not stupid, Hillary and Edwards instantly agreed. So since when is taking a position and seeing the opponents forced to agree within the same day not a victory? Kick butt more likely for Obama.

3) Then, to top the pooh-poohing of talking with enemies such as Iran, Syria and North Korea....Hillary announces the nuclear option! She says 1st use of nukes should not be taken off the table. Of course, according to Hillary, their leaders may not be at the table to begin with! So apparently, where Obama said he wasn't advocating nukes, Hillary has to make a point that first use of nukes might be what she might wake up some day and do. Heaven forbid her speaking against that possibility. Again, Hillary has taken a position way, way different than most Democrats and I think against most AMericans. The echo chamber is working, trying to paint Obama as naive, etc but Obama was able to take the initiative and Hillary sputtered at least two positions that are at odds with not only the vast majority of Democrats but the majority of Americans.

With victories like these, Hillary doesn't need defeats.

[Tellurian]

65. your post indicates your reliance on here-say..

Rather than having the sequence of events and what is said factored into your conclusions.

If you read my sig line, that is what Hillary said, which is precisely correct in it's intent and meaning.

[Sherman A1]

10. Believe as you wish

but, I think this was really much ado about nothing......:boring:

[RufusTFirefly]

11. We're mesmerized as we watch the Philly Phanatic duke it out with the San Diego Chicken

Meanwhile, the real game's going on, and no one seems to be paying attention

[AtomicKitten]

12. Actually I think it was a mistake by HRC.

She engaged him as her equal thereby forfeiting her runaway front-runner status.

I thought Obama came back in her face strong and sassy.

[Ethelk2044]

22. You are correct and the voters think so too

[ronnykmarshall]

26. We'll see about that.

[TroglodyteScholar]

79. I'm not crazy about either of them...

...but I definitely came away from this exchange with a warmer fuzzy about Obama than Hillary. It amazes me that her supporters here will call OTHER candidates egotistical!

:crazy:

[Captain_Nemo]

33. He came back at her attack - and he looks dumb. Everytime he has attacked her - he folds.

[AtomicKitten]

37. funny how opinions mirror whom one supports

I think we are all wearing rose-colored glasses during the primary; I certainly admit it.

The truth is, one cannot really assess these "smooth moves" until down the line to see how they actually play out.

[Captain_Nemo]

56. Let's count the problems we have and decide who will best tackle them. Hillary all the way. Obama is

naive.

[AtomicKitten]

58. well, that would be your opinion

I disagree.

[earthlover]

51. What are you talking about? Hillary, the front runner, started the fight

Obama countered like a pro.

This was a classic mistake on the part of Hillary. The front runner shoudln't go negative against a challenger. It just lends the challenger more credibility and allows him to counterpunch and get more attention by doing so.

I seriously worry now about Hillary's political smarts. If she does get the nomination, making stupid mistakes like she did this week could be curtains for her chances in November.

Someone ought to take Hillary back into a corner or quiet room and tell her not to lose her cool like that.

[Captain_Nemo]

55. Oh please, the New York times fiasco (he folded and had to apologize). And, now this. He's weak.

[laugle]

40. Come on AK "forfeiting her front-runner status,"

that's a bit much......

I think more like a case of the "end justifies the means!"

But I do agree, HRC need not have commented.......but afterall, he is the #2 runner and things will get rocky!

[AtomicKitten]

57. Remember the story of Seabiscuit?

It was felt by some that Man 'O War was too finely bred * sniff * to race his grandson, Seabiscuit. They acquiesced and his clock was cleaned by the young upstart.

Same thing.

[laugle]

71. Your a howl......

Now we are comparing presidential candiates to horses........have you placed your bet yet? Win, Place or Show......LOL.......

[AtomicKitten]

72. don't take it too seriously

I'm still holding out for Gore.

:hi:

[laugle]

73. Yeah really.....

Yeah I notice your still holding out, but I think the window has closed on that....sorry....I like him too, but he is doing such a great job on saving the planet, I think he's happy where he is!

Uh....oh.....it's conversion time for AK....we've got to start working on you....LOL

Strong leadership and experience is the way to go!!!

Hill and Bill the "DYNAMIC DUO," because we need 2 PRESIDENT'S to clean-up the Bush mess......

Best to you.................

[AtomicKitten]

74. no worries

As soon as the Dem nominee is chosen, it's go-time, and all the unpleasantness of the primary will seem like a dream ...

[laugle]

75. More like a nightmare......

Goooooooo Hill and Bill............

I know I will sleep better at night...and I saved some fireworks from July 4th to start celebrating the end of "BUSH'S REIGN OF TERROR!"

Hey...maybe a party at the Cliff House........

When Bush leaves office, the planet will be breathing a collective sigh of relief...................

[Perky]

69. It was a huge mistake and he pummeled here three days running

Cleary positioning himself as the Anyone-but Hillary Candidate.

[elizm]

14. Ok....

Whatever....
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[jgraz]

17. Here's hoping they continue to exchange those "pure genius" barbs

While Edwards walks away with the nomination :evilgrin:

[movonne]

41. God, I hope you are right....

[Ethelk2044]

19. Sure if she wants to turn off the African American votes. Let her keep it up

[politicasista]

23. Is she really?

Or am I missing something?

[ellacott]

81. I agree n/t

[rucky]

20. Twisting words isn't genius

did you mean ingenuous?

[dionysus]

35. "democrats who have an 80%+ approval rating of Hillary "

The day hillary has an 80% approval rating, lol... you pulled that number out of your ass.

[MannyGoldstein]

38. Odd - Mrs. Clinton Went From Ahead Of Obama In Iowa And NH

To neck-and-neck with him. Perhaps you can tell the good people of thos states that they actually don't believe she got her ass kicked. They'd appreciate knowing it.

[earthlover]

52. Nation-wide Americans are more interested right now in planning their school shopping

In states like Iowa and NH and SC there is more interest due to their early contests.

At least one recent poll has Obama ahead now in Iowa, NH and SC. Of course this will change back and forth.

My point is that the national polls are going to follow the results of the early contests. Whoever wins Iowa is going to get a big bounce in national polls. Heck, this is the first time many of them will even be paying attention! Then, NH will influence national polls even more.

National polls today are a curiosity. But they are not nearly as important as the real thing....that is, the polls in the early contests.

Look at what happened to the national poll numbers, and everything else, after Kerry won Iowa last time. Reminder: Kerry was ranked 3-4 in the polls, had given up on New Hampshire to campaign in Iowa, had mortgaged his house to keep his campaign solvent....yet he won Iowa and it was all downhill from there. It was a very short time before he led the national polls, although he was close to an asterick beforehand.

[laugle]

39. Good post....one small correction;

Hillary called him naive and irresponsible! But of course inexperience is the cause of both and he's starting to scare people off!

[Perky]

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[Cha]

44. Oh Bull..

You say.

[killbotfactory]

49. Clinton made nukes an option for going after terrorist cells

In Afghanistan and Pakistan, and yet and Obama is the one being criticized as reckless, for not letting Pakistan have a veto on our most pressing national security issue.

Am I on a freeper board?

[earthlover]

53. Yeah it does remind me of freeper support for Bush....

Bush could be found naked with a Boy Scout in the Lincoln Bedroom and many freepers would support him. He could say that no options are off the table in discussing Iran....and he has said that.

Now Hillary says....like Bush....that the nuke option is something she wants to have. That is, before even committing to talking with Iran!

And we have Dem-Freepers saying Amen Sister to that.

So talking with enemies is naive. Nuking them is something to consider. I get it....coming from someone who was duped about Iraq being a threat. OMG

[IndianaGreen]

60. The 9-11 plot was hatched in Hamburg, Germany. Hillary would have nuked that city.

In Hil's world, Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't enough!

[IndianaGreen]

59. First they told us that Hillary was "inevitable," now they tell us she is a "genius."

Well, Argentina had their Juan and Evita Peron. The Perons were corrupt to the bone, but they could play the populist tune rather well. Evita colored her hair.

We have our Peronista version in Bill and Hillary Clinton. The Clintons are corrupt to the bone, and they too can play the populist tune rather well. Hillary colors her hair.

[NoFederales]

67. lol! My first chuckle of the day, Thanks. nm

NoFederales

[Guaranteed]

62. Interesting narrative. Of course, you realize someone's just going to come

up with a counterstory.

[sendero]

64. You are wrong..

... and we will see.

[mistertrickster]

70. Feuding and sniping . . . it's gotten us Dems where we are today. nt

[Exultant Democracy]

85. Yeah "Drop the Bomb" Clinton what a winner.

:sarcasm: