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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:45 AM
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Question to Hillary supporters, on experience
If experience is so important, why did George W. Bush, who before winning in 2004 had lots of executive experience, go on to become one of the worst presidents in our history?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:48 AM
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1. No, he didn't have experience. That was one of the Gore campaign's knocks against him.
He was governor in a weak governor state.

So, no he wasn't 'experienced'.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:48 AM
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3. You forgot something
He was president of the United States from 2000 to 2004.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:48 AM
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2. Actually if you look at Bush executive experience
you would see cronyism, misrepresentation almost to the point of fraud, failure of fiduciary responsibilities, callous disregard for the rule of law, laziness, and failure.

Of course, you actually had to look at his record rather than merely saying he had experience.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:50 AM
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4. I assume you admit experience is not a very important factor
Thanks for your answer.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:52 AM
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8. You're wrong. I disagree. Experience is extremely valuable
of course you can't assume all experience is good.

For example, a person who gets released from 12 jobs in 4 years has experience. But evaluating the experience says the person sucks.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:55 AM
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9. I agree. Voting for the Iraq war in 2002 is not necessary a good experience
Edited on Fri Aug-03-07 11:55 AM by antiimperialist
Totally in agreement with you.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:50 AM
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5. Voting Machines? n/t
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:51 AM
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6. Stealing an election does not mean he didn't accumulate experience
Edited on Fri Aug-03-07 11:52 AM by antiimperialist
Yes, he stole the election in '00. But he was president for four years. That is experience. Focus on how the years spent in the executive made him a better president.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 12:06 PM
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13. so..you're saying...
that the 2004 election was on the up and up? I am of the opinion that Mr. Bush won neither election..however I really can't argue that experience in this administration's case has certainly helped their cause. Perhaps the same could be said of the Clinton's? I guess I'm on a different page.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:52 AM
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7. WHat experience...
Failed businessman, and Governor in a state where the power lies with the state legislature...
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:58 AM
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10. He was already one of the worst Presidents before 2004.
And your question is nonsense since

a) Bush didn't run as the experince candidate in either 200o or 2004. He ran as the outsider in 2000 and the incumbent in 2004.

b) Bush's "experience" amounts to being a failed businessman and a one term Governor of a state where the legislature has most of the power.

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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 12:02 PM
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11. Because Hillary isn't dumb like Bush
Bush can't learn from experience. He is a total idiot and idealogue. Bush can only see one solution to problems, he only can think in black and whites. Hillary is highly intelligent, probabaly will be the smartest president in years. She can think in many shades of gray. Maybe Bill Clinton can touch her in brains, but not many can.

anyway why worry, I hear Obama supporters compare him to Lincoln all the time, so he doesn't need the experience right? He is the next Abe Lincoln.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 12:09 PM
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14. Anyone who said that doesn't know much about Lincoln
This experience debate is actually pretty stupid. Most people know the President has advisors who help them shape their platform.

If you want to talk about experience, the way it's portrayed in the media, senators have the least experience. There hasn't been a Senator elected in a number of years. The "conventional wisdom" claims that Governors are better candidates. That would make Richardson the most experienced.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 12:24 PM
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16. Hillary isn't dumb like Bush, but a smart guy can screw up. As JFK did on his mtg with Khrushchev..
He came across as a total bobbysoxer and that's one of the reasons Khrushchev decided to play boldly and place missiles in Cuba.
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hijinx87 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 12:05 PM
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12. I'm not following . . .
so, are you trying to say that we should be voting for
the least experienced candidate in the democratic
field?



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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 12:13 PM
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15. Hillary has the exact right experience: corporate @$$-ki$$ing
and all the "Kucinich = kumbaya" dipsh*t war-mongering Hillary lovers can ki$$ my peace-loving ass.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 12:40 PM
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17. Hillary has no more experience than Edwards or Obama the media
is just trying to push her. At least MSNBC came out and was honest about it.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 12:43 PM
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18. Psssst.... I Don't Support Hillary Myself, However The IDIOT Never
actually got elected either! IMHO! I live in Florida, so I'm a little biased!
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