Hillary's Teeth

[illinoisprogressive]

Hillary Clinton showed her teeth the other day. They are sharp.

In her running spit-ball spat with Barak Obama, her sardonic side popped out on the CNN /YouTube debate when she asked in that cutting voice of hers, "Whatever happened to the politics of hope?" She was referring to Obama's calling for what he says is a new, better, happier brand of politics in which hope takes the place of fear.

This is part of a larger spat over Hillary's foreign affairs claim to be the deeply experienced senior person compared to Obama, the junior person, who lacks seasoning and judgment. This sounds good but how much experience making critical decisions does Hillary have? Her one big public responsibility as First Lady was to get a health care program up and through Congress. She botched that one so badly that her failure on health insurance and not being like Tammy Wynette are the two things she is most famous for, if you do not count Bill.

For the record, Obama has had as much experience in public office as Abraham Lincoln and Woodrow Wilson had when they were elected.

In foreign affairs what has Hillary done? Matt Stearns of the McClatchy Newspaper chain answers that question by saying, "...Clinton has wrapped herself in a cloak of experience--and drawn a sharp distinction with Obama, who's served in the Senate less than three years. But being a well-traveled first lady isn't the same as being a president. And having years of experience traveling the world isn't the same as making wise decisions; her 2002 vote to authorize the Iraq war has dogged her throughout the campaign. So in some quarters Clinton's claim to foreign-policy expertise is met with skepticism. How much should visiting 82 countries as first lady count?"

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=218629

[eweaver155]

1. As first lady she visited and met with foreign leaders via Bill. This does not count as experience

no more than Laura Bush.

[Ethelk2044]

2. I Agree 150%

[flpoljunkie]

19. Laura Bush would quality if this were the determinant. She's visited 68 countries so far to HRC's 82

[zulchzulu]

3. If someone used their husband's resume to apply for a job, they'd be rejected

Imagine someone applying for a job for bank president and say they have experience because their husband was president of the bank. They'd be laughed out of the office.

[Tellurian]

4. Zulu, you're going Kramer again...

[wyldwolf]

17. Tellurian, seems Chelsea Clinton has many of the same foreign policy credentials Obama has

[Tellurian]

22. If she runs for the state legislature...

she's qualified!

:rofl:

[wyldwolf]

23. two things separate them: A video and public office experience

Obama: Undergraduate Degree in International Relations.

Chelsea: Undergraduate Degree in History. Her undergraduate thesis topic was her father's mediation of the 1998 Northern Ireland peace agreement. Masters Degree in International Relations.

Obama: Spent several years overseas as a child. Has friends and family there.
Chelsea: Spend several years overseas as an adult. Has friends there.

Obama: Has visited Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan in Asia; Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, and the Palestinian Territories in the Middle East; and Chad, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenya, and South Africa in Africa.

Chelsea: Has visited war torn Kosovo in 1999, was part of the US delegation at the funeral of King Hassan II of Morocco, accompanied President Clinton on official state visits to India and Bangladesh.

Obama: Gave a speech opposing the Iraq war after his arm was alegedly twisted to do so.
Chelsea: No known video of such...

[Tellurian]

25. Uh,Uh... Three things..

Chelsea is better at parallel parking. (ala Soprano) :)

[Tellurian]

26. Seriously, though..

"Her undergraduate thesis topic was her father's mediation of the 1998 Northern Ireland peace agreement. *Masters Degree* in International Relations."

This has to be the frosting on the cake... A HIGH compliment and tribute to President Clinton for his daughter choosing a very important part of history her own father is responsible for creating . It may be a good idea at this time for her to publish a book on her thesis. She's done all the work, might as well let the world have access to her writings..I know for sure, the Irish would love it, they're all history buffs and it may end up being required reading in colleges AND a best seller...what a treat!

[Indy_Dem_Defender]

6. Good Analogy

[Hekate]

5. Every time anyone brings up her "botched" health care plan I see red.The Repubs killed it...

...and have told the Big Lie ever since. The Repubs killed all hope of getting anything done for national health care, and have spent all the years since then yammering about how Hillary "failed." She "failed" because the Republican Congress dug in its heels and refused to compromise or even talk rationally. She "failed" because the best they could muster by way of discussion was essentially schoolyard taunts.

Whenever I see that lie embedded in any statement, all the rest is thrown in doubt.

Hillary Clinton is exceptionally intelligent and experienced, and stands head and shoulders above the current occupant of the White House and nearly every Republican challenger for 2008.

Who would you like to compare her experience to? Fred Thompson for instance? Rudy Giuliani? Those two are running on sheer ego, and yet they are taken very seriously as candidates. Why? Because they're white men?

:rant:

Hekate

[bvar22]

11. A lot of Democrats helped the Republicans kill HillaryCare.

It was a Mercy Killing.
You should take a couple of weeks off and read it.

[Enrique]

7. I think it's a pretty productive spat

the question of experience and judgement in foreign policy is worth asking.

I think the media is exaggerating the supposed "viciousness" of the whole thing. What Hillary said is hardly sharp-teeth stuff.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

8. Agreed. Neither she, nor Obama, should have taken the bait. However, Obama's supporters are

quite panicked by Sen. Clinton, thus OP's like this. MKJ

[formercia]

9. Didn't you know?

Hillary was the real President and Bill was just a political cuckold. It's sort of like the relationship between Darth and Junior.

[LWolf]

10. What ever happened to the politics of hope?

Democrats left it behind in '04:



Nice of Obama to recycle the terms for his '08 campaign, but, to be honest, he doesn't really inspire "hope." For this voter, he can't begin to compare to the hope offered by Kucinich.

[beastieboy]

12. She has outclassed Obama in the debates. Her experience is tangible.

The way she answers questions instills confidence in people. Obama stammers and pauses like he's searching for the right thing to say.

[Broke Dad]

13. David Geffen says the Clintons are the best liars he ever met

Geffen used to raise millions for the Clintons. In an interview earlier this year, he called the Clintons the best liars he ever met. Lying, even lying smoothly is not a quality I want in the next Democratic nominee for President.

Hillary Clinton is Richard Nixon in drag.

[Catherine Vincent]

14. Really? I didn't know that.

Thanks for letting us know. :eyes:

[rinsd]

15. Clinton probably called out his elitist ass about his trying to privatize a public beach (nt)

[wyldwolf]

16. Bill also didn't pardon the guy Geffen wanted pardoned.

[beastieboy]

20. And I am supposed to give a shit about what David Geffen says because....

[flpoljunkie]

18. Outpandered, yes. Outclassed, no way! Many Dems hold her responsible for the failure of her health

care plan--due her to own arrogance and inflexibility. Sound like anyone you know?

[beastieboy]

21. At least she tried something 10 years before it was cool to do it.

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

24. ABHRC

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