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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 05:46 PM
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I just had a "polling" phone call that focused a lot on my asshat
repuke Congressliar C.W. "Bill" Young. Did she ever get an earful! Although I did manage not to use the "F" word. The last question started with something along the lines of "Democrats will pass the biggest tax increase in history..." that's when I hung up on her.
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 05:56 PM
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1. as if taxes were the worst thing in the world........
I get so sick of hearing republicans whine about taxes!! I mean, there are worse things in the world than a tax increase!!!

Good for you.....for giving them your honest opinion!!!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:01 PM
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2. The GOP just LOVE to use the ...
... Democrats will raise your taxes crapola. Of course, they never DO get around to explaining how to deal with that pesky national debt, the one that has interest accruing into the stratosphere ...
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:20 PM
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4. Every time someone throws that "tax burden" canard at me, I just tell them
I think of it more as a responsibility. I'm a grown up and can accept my responsibility, I don't know what's wrong with whiny conservatives that can't do their fair share?
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:21 PM
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6. taxes, taxes, taxes........
it's all they know or care about!

spying on Americans is ok, torturing people without benefit of habeus corpus is ok, all kinds of corruption and injustice is apparently ok but God, no! Don't raise our taxes!!

It's just sooooo ridiculous!! Some things are more important than money and if Christians have not already learned that by now, I doubt if they ever will!!
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:50 PM
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8. My rant of several years ago on that same subject.....
One of the many drawbacks to being an artist is that people automatically assume I am an across-the-board, Democratic Liberal. You know; one of those liberal elite, college-educated eggheads with no real world experience who wants to suck the life out of the rich and feed it to the undeserving poor simply because my ivory tower college professors told me so.

Well, in a word, no. You see, I'm a Republican wet dream. I grew up in a family of uneducated poor white trash. I started working at the tender age of 9 to literally help put food on the table by working in the gardens we used to raise our food. When I turned 14, I got an after-school job to help bring in real money to the family for luxuries like heat and lights. I learned, from my inequitably paid, single-working-mother who held down two jobs so we wouldn't have to go on welfare, a work ethic that would make a Calvinist weak-kneed with shame. I put myself through college with a minimum of student loans; choosing instead to work full-time while going to school. After years of intermittent work and school, so as to minimize the amount of loans I had to take out, I received my Masters Degree and have been fairly successful running and managing a very small art business. Occasionally working full-time in order to be a productive citizen and help pay the bills.

Given my life experience I've always understood the concept of: I work hard for my money, I've earned the right to keep it for myself. I shouldn't have to give it to people who don't give me something in return. And I shouldn't have to support people who won't work for themselves.

As I matured I came to realize that it is entirely natural for a 12-year-old to think that way. It's a phase of development that helps a tender ego set boundaries in order to survive the real world with it's basic lack of fairness and predatory users. However, for people who consider themselves adults, it is a puzzlingly shortsighted point of view.

Here are a couple of real world examples. I have a friend M. He is a Republican. He owns a couple of small struggling businesses. He has the requisite wife and two children. His children go to public schools which are paid for with tax dollars. I don't have children. I will never have children. Yet the spouse and I, along with the literally hundreds of childless adults we know, continue to pay our taxes to put his children through 24 total years of school; we pay for the teachers, the buildings, the nurses, the administrators, the support staff and the transportation. We pay for the testing, the special needs programs and the advanced courses implementation. And if they choose to go to a public University, we will support them through those years too.

M. drives a very large SUV, which he uses for a number of trips to his small business concerns every day; by himself. His children ride the buses to and from school. His wife drives to her job and on all her errands; by herself. He drives on the Interstates, he drives on the county roads, he pollutes the air and stresses the pavement along with all the other commuters. Me, on the other hand, I drive into town maybe twice a week to do errands. Spousal unit drives roundtrip to work on a tiny country road in a fuel-efficient small truck 4 times a week. Because we have a house and land that need constant attention we tend to stay at home a lot. M. and his family use the roads and pollute the air much more than the spouse and I do and our tax dollars subsidize his families ability to do that. Our tax dollars subsidize him while he and his wife get to deduct their 2 dependents, their multiple business expenses and the interest from multiple loans off their yearly income tax.

Mature adults realize that in order for a family or a culture to survive sacrifices have to be made by each individual. I pay taxes so that M.'s children can go to school and while they're at it they can eat clean meat, breathe clean air and drink clean water. They can use the public library without paying for it. His family can have their volumes of mail delivered to their various businesses.

Yes, I benefit from those things too, but lets pretend for a minute, we were allowed to pay taxes only on the things we used directly so that we could keep the bulk of our hard earned money. Well, the first thing to go would be the entire military. Most of us don't use it. Recently all of our wars have been fought in other countries, for other countries. So I'm not sure about the direct benefit I'm getting from it. I don't have an army private who patrols my acreage at night to keep the raccoons away from the compost. I don't have their earth-moving machines out eradicating the kudzu in my fields. The next thing to probably collapse would be corporate welfare and small-farm subsidies, for much the same reasons.

Those things are necessary for businesses and economy to flourish, the Republicans argue. Things like welfare only support people who choose not to work and don't contribute anything to society. "Welfare supports lazy mothers and their illegitimate offspring." "Welfare supports the old and useless who can no longer contribute."

What they don't seem to realize is that we are not supporting welfare moms. We are supporting the children of welfare moms. The same way I'm supporting M'.s children. Government sponsored programs feed, clothe and maintain the children who are going to grow up and literally run the country. Not the political part. That, of course, is reserved for those in the lucky egg and sperm club; those born to wealth and power and influence. No, I'm talking about the people who go into factory jobs every day to generate income for the CEOs and for the national economy. I'm talking about the guy who's going to fix your Lexus or build your house. I'm talking about the people who literally make this country run.

What a great idea to under-feed and under-educate your future work force. That's brilliant long-term planning. And for what? To keep a few extra dollars in your pocket to buy a new boat? Well, if Bob the Builder is functionally retarded because he was underfed and under-educated how well do think that boat is going to hold up?

Do you want that new boat? Or maybe you want to be a good entrepreneur and reinvest those tax dollars in a new business? Think of all the taxes we spend on the prison system. Think of the billions we would save if would turn all those pot smokers loose. Unfortunately, in the end, it really, really isn't about taxes at all. Its about punishing those you think are wrong or frivolous or unworthy in some fundamental way.

Its like the divorced father who won't pay child support because he thinks the system is unfair. He loses sight of the fact that he's helping to raise the children he helped bring into this world. Children he is, in part, responsible for. He thinks, instead, he is supporting his lazy ex-wife, her partying, her clothes habit and her dalliances with young men. "Why should I pay for that lazy bitch?" he wonders. "It's my money. I work hard for it, I've earned the right to keep it for myself. I shouldn't have to give it to people who don't give me something in return. And I shouldnt have to support people who won't work for themselves." Sound familiar?

And that's when I realized: Republicans are the Deadbeat Dads of society. They benefit from having a cheap labor force, but don't want to provide even the most basic of necessities in order to feed, clothe or educate future generations of cheap labor.

Is our system of taxation perfect? No. And it never will be. But increasing short-term gain at the expense of long-term stability is always a fools game. And that, my friends, is how I learned to vaguely comprehend the Republican mind and embrace increased taxation.
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smtpgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:06 PM
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10. I am saving your post, it is so true, if only more
people have the insight you do!!!


WOW
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 11:04 PM
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12. You're rant supports an idea that I've lived by for a few decades
The biggest problems we have to deal with are MBA's who have no understanding of the business they run, and high level executives who spend more time trying to maximize their benefit/compensation package than doing something for the benefit of the company. I won't argue the child support issue, I know many who are relegated to a poverty lifestyle and others that shirk their responsibility to live a more reasonable lifestyle. I don't fault any of them for their choices, but I understand they are choices that will be dealt with through eternity. That's not a burden I'd like to deal with.

When it comes to taxes, I try to re frame the argument. I don't look at it as a tax burden, I consider it a responsibility. If I don't fulfill my responsibility, how can I complain if the streets aren't paved, the water isn't safe, or I can't rely on electric service? Government can do things well, why should I freak out about paying my fair share?
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:02 PM
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3. My response to the Dems
possibly raising taxes: I don't care. I'd pay the increase and more and it would be worth it to have the current batch of incompetant twits gone.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:49 PM
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5. I just tell they can either pay the bills now or later with interest.
Which do they prefer. Repugs claim to be the party of business yet none of them understand the concept, "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch". Someone has to eventually pay or something has to be cut.

I'd also remind them that us Democrats would have to go a long way to increase taxes on as many people and by the same amount as Ronny did. He passed a huge increase in the payroll tax. He cut a lot of tax corporate loopholes that resulted in billions more in revenue. He also raised several excise taxes. Bill Clinton's paltry increase in the top rate affected a smaller amount at a lower percentage than their patron saint.

BTW, C.W. is also my congress critter. I think he may be in trouble this next cycle. Our area is growing bluer.

I've noticed that here in Pinellas County, the Repugs like to use push-polls. I got one about my former state rep now state senator Charlie Justice a few years ago.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:59 PM
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9. I think Samm Simpson would have made a much better showing
had all C.W.'s lies about Walter Reed come out before the election. Samm even has the moderator of the debate he didn't show up for on tape reading a statement from Young's office saying he couldn't come because he was, among other things, "visiting wounded troops at Walter Reed." Later, when the scandal broke, he said he had stopped going there well before the date of the debate. He is a major-league asshole.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:23 PM
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7. Taxes, huh?
Was she also suggesting roads come from the Road Fairy?

Will DHS be funded by the Fascist Fairy?

Fucking asshats.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:59 PM
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11. The previous GOP led congress' used fear, taxation, flag burning and
denial of gay rights/equality as wedge issues. They have nothing else.

Fear:
use it to terrify the masses, D's would NEVER be for defense or run a war. Hmmmm...Wilson in WWI and FDR/Truman in WWII did pretty good jobs. In fact, the GOP fought FDR tooth and nail during all of WWII, trying desperately to cut funding for that "good" war. Dewey, the GOP candidate in '44 was willing to pull out the stops and return GI's to the states before the war was over. Funny how the GOP forgets it's own horrid examples.

Taxes: I pay my share, but there are times I get money back from the IRS as well. I enjoy roads, bridges that won't fail, and other items in the infrastructure that taxes pay for, parks, upkeep of Federal Cemeteries and historical sites. I depend on the Fire and Police Dept's to show up when necessary, and although I have a problem w/the police having too much power and abusing it, I still want them around if I have an accident or my place gets broken into. I have depended on the FDA, the EPA and other agencies to keep food and water clean, and OSHA to help keep a workplace somewhat free of hazards. I depend on the Coast Guard to keep ports open and ensure what comes into this country won't kill Americans. I depend on a military that can protect us from enemy attacks, and an FAA to keep planes from dropping out of the sky on my little abode. Education is not a luxury, but rather an absolute necessity, and w/o taxes, schools would be closed and we would return to pre-1910 educational standards for rural communities that had an average of a 5th grade education.

Flag burning: Gimme a break. Two things here, first, the easiest way to ensure that people will NOT listen to the message you have, is to burn a flag, (might get a serious butt kicking too). Second, was there a sudden flare up of flag burnings across the nation? I don't think anyone has burned a flag in 20 years as protest...except in the Middle-East, or Europe.


Gay Rights: I'm not gay, but all of the GLBT people I have met are just as human as I. Why should they not get the same rights and protections that others receive? They are not inhuman, they are not a form of sub-life...they eat, drink, bleed, have emotions and ambitions, just like everyone else. Why the hatred? To me, it is absolutely un-American to treat people as another "class" of citizen.

So, I'll pay my taxes, and continue to write my congresscritters asking them to spend the money a little more wisely.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 11:06 PM
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13. I bet you heard Taxes, Guns, and Gays.
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