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jcrew2001 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:18 PM
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If All Businesses stopped providing health insurance
then would HMO's go out of business and the Govt would have to implement a universal health care plan?

Right now, Health Care seems to be a luxury instead of a right.

It seems that Paid workers and contributors to business should have a "right" to health care. But those in fringe jobs don't have that same right.

I think this can only be changed starting at the State level. We need to follow the model of Federalism and institute change from the bottom-up.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:19 PM
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1. businesses should be glad to get single payer - no more paying for health plans nt
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jcrew2001 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:22 PM
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2. I know - where are their lobbyists on this issue?
nt
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:30 PM
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3. Just out of curosity whom do you think will pay for
UHC if businesses don't?

I believe if businesses thought single payer health plans were good for business they would be spending big bucks to make that happen.
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OlderButWiser Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:37 PM
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4. Exactly...
...business will pay for UHC. It will be like their portion of SS or Workers Comp.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:41 PM
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5. Taxpayers
Businesses will never agree to finance universal health care. Putting that burden on them will only chase more businesses out of the country.

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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:14 PM
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6. Then they can GO out of the country and go somewhere where...
...the American system is working.
Lets see...ah...that would be ...ah...ummm...just a minute now...ummmm.

Also: Good riddance to the Fuckers. They'll be plenty of businesses to take their place.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:19 PM
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7. You don't need a job? (nm)
...
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:27 PM
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11. Businesses
are (or should be) taxpayers too...

They will still be taxpayers after we get Universal Single-Payer Health Care -- they'll just pay a few points of payroll tax and won't have to pay for health insurance for their employees.

The net is that most businesses will do better than they do now, will have a healthier and happier workforce and will be more competitive.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:21 PM
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8. Have you checked on that?
At least two big auto companies have come out in favor of Single Payer Universal Health Care.

It's in their best interest.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:04 PM
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12. It's not surprising some automakers are in favor as
they have about a billion or so (maybe a few less) people that are retired or not working but still get free health care.

They are more than happy to have others pay for it.


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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:25 PM
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9. All of the answers to your questions are here
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 08:25 PM by ProudDad
http://www.house.gov/conyers/news_hr676_2.htm

Funding source at the bottom... Do try to remember that employers who DO offer health insurance do so by cutting the salary they'll pay. It's also among the first "benefits" to go when their profit margins begin slipping...

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Brief Summary of HR 676

· The United States National Health Insurance Act establishes an American national health insurance program. The bill would create a publicly financed, privately delivered health care system that uses the already existing Medicare program by expanding and improving it to all U.S. residents, and all residents living in U.S. territories. The goal of the legislation is to ensure that all Americans will have access, guaranteed by law, to the highest quality and most cost effective health care services regardless of their employment, income, or health status.
· With over 45-75 million uninsured Americans, and another 50 million who are under- insured, the time has come to change our inefficient and costly fragmented non health care system.

Who is Eligible

· Every person living in or visiting the United States and the U.S. Territories would receive a United States National Health Insurance Card and ID number once they enroll at the appropriate location. Social Security numbers may not be used when assigning ID cards.

Health Care Services Covered

· This program will cover all medically necessary services, including primary care, in patient care, outpatient care, emergency care, prescription drugs, durable medical equipment, long term care, mental health services, dentistry, eye care, chiropractic, and substance abuse treatment. Patients have their choice of physicians, providers, hospitals, clinics and practices. No co-pays or deductibles are permitted under this act.

Conversion To A Non-Profit Health Care System

· Private health insurers shall be prohibited under this act from selling coverage that duplicates the benefits of the USNHI program. Exceptions to this rule include coverage for cosmetic surgery, and other medically unnecessary treatments. Those who are displaced as the result of the transition to a non- profit health care system are the first to be hired and retrained under this act.

Cost Containment Provisions/ Reimbursement

· The National USNHI program will set reimbursement rates annually for physicians, allow for "global budgets" (annual lump sums for operating expenses) for health care providers; and negotiate prescription drug prices. The national office will provide an annual lump sum allotment to each existing Medicare region; each region will administer the program.

· The conversion to a not-for-profit health care system will take place over a 15 year period. U.S. treasury bonds will be sold to compensate investor-owned providers for the actual appraised value of converted facilities used in the delivery of care; payment will not be made for loss of business profits. Health insurance companies could be sub-contracted out to handle reimbursements.

Proposed Funding For USNHI Program:

· Maintaining current federal and state funding of existing health care programs. A modest payroll tax on all employers of 3.3%. A 5% health tax on the top 5% of income earners. A small tax on stock and bond transfers. Closing corporate tax loop-holes, repealing the Bush tax cut.

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barack4prez Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:26 PM
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10. Yes, the Govt would have to implement a UHC plan.
I wonder how many people would quit working bullshit jobs and go do something else if they didn't depend on their job for health care. I might.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:05 PM
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13. Many Corporations are heading this way. The first thing they want to cut in Contract talks is
Health Care.
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