Its all General Franks fault

[BOSSHOG]

and its hard work not taking responsibility for anything for 7 years. And I listen to all my military commanders, except for General Shinseki but he was only the senior officer in the Army at the time I didn't take his advice. And people at free republic are so inspired by me that they will join the Army and help me continue this fucking disaster that I continue to try to talk pretty about. And my decision to free a man who jeopardized national security was fair and balanced and I can not possibly give a fuck about what the majority of American People think because I'm a brilliant christian conservative with values. Oh yeah george, ya sold me.

[whistle]

1. So far, this is the best summary I've read on Shrub's* prissy conference

[Raven]

2. I loved that he's blaming Franks for this and he's obviously

going to keep blaming the military for his failures. I hope some of the Generals got the message today and will stand up and let this maniac have it.

[Captain Hilts]

4. Check out the latest issue of the Onion! Bush says US Military "just isn't any good." nt

[Proud Liberal Dem]

6. So, his general's are now in charge of determining our Iraq policy?!!

Given the "sycophantic" nature of his (mis-)administration and what has happened to Shinseki (somebody Bush et. al interestingly did NOT care to listen to BEFORE the invasion/occupation) and every other general since him who have expressed even the SLIGHTEST amount of doubt about the invasion/occupation, does Bush truly believe that his generals are going to tell him anything different than what he wants (needs?) to hear from them? Also, as he FREQUENTLY reminds us, HE is the "commander-in-chief" of the military and he NOT they make all of the final decisions about our foreign policy. It's really too bad that the rest of us are not generals because he seems to be more concerned about what his generals think about what's going on over in Iraq and what's best for our country than what we the people think. I mean, what do we average citizens really know about what's best for our country anyway? :sarcasm:

[underpants]

16. Something you never hear from the supposed salty sage old guys who know DC

Do you really expect anyone in goverment or in the corporate world to NOT say that they need more people or more money under their control? Well Bush wants us to believe that not one of the generals in Iraq has ever asked for more power not one. And we are supposed to believe that it was Franks decision not to make double sure that he had more than he needed.

mmm hmm okay

[Captain Hilts]

3. The Pentagon went into this kicking and screaming except for aviators Rumsfeld, Bush and Myers.

Yes, America, pilots brought you this war. The guys with the clean nails and shined shoes.

The Army and Marines went into it kicking and screaming.

[Dhalgren]

5. I missed the priss conference. Does anyone have a transcript, yet?

This is just getting weirder and weirder. Next he'll be playing with a pistol and trying to marry Condie in the bunker...

[Mz Pip]

7. Bush found another

Yes Man in Petraeus. If he reports Iraq sucks and we need to rethink things in Sept. Bush will just replace him with another Yes Man.

I tired to listen to the Bunnypants' Pisser but after a while I thought I might put a shoe through my nice TV. Then I'd miss Keith tonight and that would be a real bummer.

I noticed the smirk is back, too. Smirking, grinning, giggling and joking while good men and women are dying. I am beyond contempt for this man.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[JohnnyLib2]

8. Lowest of the low; the man astounds me.

I hope the retired general(s) come out loud and clear on that point.

[JohnnyLib2]

9. Did that scapegoating give Rumsfeld a pass , too?

:nuke:

[tetedur]

10. But, but, but ...Who gave Franks the Medal of Freedom

for the great way he waged the war? Who endorsed Bob Woodward's Plan of Attack which told the story of how Bush pulled Franks'attention off the war in Afghanistan around November 24, 2001 so that he could start planning the war on Iraq? Who made Franks go around and around until he came up with the magic number of 150,000 troops that would be needed for the invasion of Iraq?

[Pirate Smile]

11. The part when he placed all the blame on Franks and the Generals for

the troop numbers was so revolting - I was screaming at the radio.

[underpants]

12. He did?

I missed the presser

Oh man
:nuke:

[underpants]

15. Found it-from the WaPo transcript

QUESTION: Thank you, sir.


You have spoken passionately about the consequences of failure in Iraq. Your critics say you failed to send enough troops there at the start, failed to keep Al Qaida from stepping into the void created by the collapse of Saddam's army, failed to put enough pressure on Iraq's government to make the political reconciliation necessary to keep the sectarian violence the country is suffering from now from occurring.


So why should the American people feel you have the vision for victory in Iraq, sir?


BUSH: Those are all legitimate questions that I'm sure historians will analyze. I mean, one of the questions is: Should we have sent more in the beginning?


BUSH: Well, I asked that question, "Do you need more?" to General Tommy Franks.


In the first phase of this operation, General Franks, you know, was obviously in charge.


And during our discussions in the run-up to the decision to remove Saddam Hussein after he ignored the Security Council resolutions, my primary question to General Franks was: Do you have what it takes to succeed? And do you have what it takes to succeed after you succeed in removing Saddam Hussein?


And his answer was yes.


Now, history is going to look back to determine whether or not there might have been a different decision made. But at the time, the only thing I can tell you is that I relied upon military commander to make the proper decision about troop strength in acting.


And I can remember meeting with the Joint Chiefs, who said: We've reviewed the plan, and seemed satisfied with it.


I remember sitting in the PIAT (ph), or the situation room, downstairs here at the White House. And I went to commander and commander, that were all responsible for different aspects of the operation to remove Saddam.


BUSH: I said to each of them, "Do you have what it takes? Are you satisfied with the strategy?" And the answer was yes.
http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/12/AR2007071200937.html

[NewYorkerfromMass]

14. Actually, Franks was right

and Bush weaseled out of the real question.
Franks correctly told Bush what he needed to remove Saddam. Successfully occupying the country was an entirely other matter, especially when Bush thought they would be greeted as liberators and showered with love.

[underpants]

13. read "Fiasco"

it is all their fault. Completely. From W to Rummy (thru Wolfowitz and Fife) to Franks to the battalion commander level

All of them.