Will Rahm Emmanuel endorse Obama or HRC?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

Who will the progressive icon endorse?

==COULD HE BE PLAYING BOTH SIDES AGAINST THE MIDDLE? NOT RAHM!

Why is the Obama camp certain Rahm Emanuel will be endorsing Hillary Clinton, while some in the Clinton camp seem certain Emanuel will be endorsing Barack Obama?

It is not an easy call for Emanuel. He worked in the Clinton White House and received support from Bill when Emanuel first ran for the U.S. House in 2002.

But he is also close to Obama and even closer to the Obama’s big backers, the Daleys of Chicago.

So what will Rahm do?

“I’m hiding under the desk,” Emanuel told the Chicago Tribune earlier this year.

In a Tribune editorial board session, Obama was asked about Emanuel’s dilemma.

“Rahm knows the right thing to do,” Obama said with a smile.

He does? Since when?==

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0707/4825.html

[Moochy]

1. The words of a brave leader

"I'm hiding under the desk"

:rofl:

on edit yeah i know it was a joke, but i think its a revealing off-the-cuff joke. :)

[Totally Committed]

2. Hillary.

No doubt in my mind.

TC

[draft_mario_cuomo]

11. No doubt? Obama seems to have no doubt HE will get the Rahm endorsement

What makes you so confident that HRC will get the Rahm endorsement?

[Totally Committed]

62. You say that like it's a good thing!

Maybe he will. Who knows.

I was thinking more along the lines of loyalty to the DLC. Hillary IS their poster-girl, and Rahm is, well.... Rahm. He loves him those fellow DLC-ers.

I would run the other way screaming from Obama if he got that endorsement.

TC

[draft_mario_cuomo]

63. Rahm knows Obama is a DLCer in practice, if not formally

This is why Rahm is even considering endorsing Obama, and if BO is to be believed, leaning heavily toward Obama.

Personally, I hope Rahm endorses Obama as it would shed some light on Obama's actual platform.

[paulk]

70. if Rahm endorses Obama

it will be because they're both from Illinois.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

72. That will be the party line from BO supporters

And if Rahm endorses HRC the line will be that it is further proof that HRC is a corporate tool and loyal to the DLC first, not the Democratic Party.

[Totally Committed]

76. It certainly WOULD shed some light -- and fast!

I could not vote for someone a DLC tool like Rahm would endorse, and btw, I agree the "they're both from Illinois" explanation will be the way the spin will go, should the endorsement happen. It truly does make me hope with all my might that Rahm just endorses Hillary, so his support would be inconsequential.

As things stand now, I weep over the field of candidates we have.

TC

[draft_mario_cuomo]

81. I think many people who are favorably disposed to Obama agree with you

Rahm may be what causes some people to finally look at his platform. He is the same as HRC policy-wise, except in two cases that I know of (no BO supporter at DU has pointed to any other differences) when Obama is actually to the right of HRC, who many BO fans vilify as a corporate tool and the embodiment of the nefarious influence the DLC has in our party.

==It truly does make me hope with all my might that Rahm just endorses Hillary, so his support would be inconsequential.==

I agree, him backing HRC would be inconsequential.

[William769]

42. Going by your tack record so far, I'll just take the opposite, which means Obama. NT

[rinsd]

3. Whoever gets the Rahm endosrement will get skewered on DU

That is the only thing I can say for certain.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

10. It will be funny if Obama gets it as Rahm would suddenly be hailed as a great progressive...

...by some of the same BO supporters who criticized Rahm as a DLC corporate tool prior to that. :rofl:

[Virginia Dare]

30. I'm old enough to remember...

when Al Gore was DLC, of course so was B. Clinton. I can't say that I was thrilled with everything Clinton did, but it was sunshine and lollypops compared to the horror show we've got now. I'll take ANY DLC candidate out there over any Republican and be happy about it.

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[MannyGoldstein]

6. Obama is in the DLC?

Really? Link or slink.

[wyldwolf]

8. I'm using the DU definiton of "DLC" - one who agrees with the DLC on the issues

[draft_mario_cuomo]

14. WW, have you forgotten? Only the label matters

Someone can agree with the DLC on everything, even go to the right of DLC icons on a few important issues, but as long as they are not officially a DLC member they remain progressives in good standing! :crazy:

[maximusveritas]

16. But he doesn't agree with the DLC on almost anything

which is why he's not a member.

[wyldwolf]

18. ..except on almost all things

Welfare reform? Yep!
Reworking of social programs? Yep!
Abortion - safe, legal, and rare? Yep!

more...?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

23. The Republican idea of "merit pay" in education

As far as I know (correct me if I am wrong), the DLC does not favor merit pay for teachers like Obama, Jeb Bush, Romney, and other Republicans do. See, he does not agree with the DLC on everything!

[Odin2005]

80. He said he was CONSIDERING it, and would only enact it if he got teachers on board with it.

There are those pesky facts again contradicting your BS.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

83. Yeah, and that right-wing stance distinguishes him from HRC and all the other (Dem) candidates

The latter meme is inaccurate. The NEA has not and will never like merit pay. They may "work with" a President Obama if he shoves it down their throats in an attempt to mitigate the damage it does to education. The notion that they will suddenly begin to favor this 300 year old idea is false.

[MannyGoldstein]

24. Reality? Or Cheap Debating Tricks 101?

"Welfare reform" and "reworking of social programs" are broad, broad categories. Can you demonstrate that Obama and the DLC agree on most specifics within these broad categories?

My understanding is that Obama was offered a spot on the DLC - in fact, the DLC started listing him as a member, but he asked them to stop doing that. What does that indicate?

Obama was against our war of choice in Iraq: Obama was not. That is one enormous issue by itself, which clearly demonstrates judgement or the utter lack thereof. So, of the single most important vote in the past few years, the DLC was squarely on the wrong side and Obama was on the correct side. Very important difference.

[wyldwolf]

27. would you prefer direct quotes from Obama's book?

"Welfare reform" and "reworking of social programs" are broad, broad categories. Can you demonstrate that Obama and the DLC agree on most specifics within these broad categories?

Sure. From "The Audacity Of Hope."

“conservatives — and Bill Clinton — were right about welfare as it was previously structured: By detaching income from work and by making no demands on welfare recipients other than a tolerance for intrusive bureaucracy and an assurance that no man lived in the same house as the mother of his children, the old A.F.D.C. program sapped people of their initiative and eroded their self respect.”

Did Al From ghost write that?

Starting on page 10, Obama proudly proclaims he believes “in the free market, competition, and entrepreneurship, and think no small number of government programs don’t work as advertised….”

DLC anyone??

“I think America has more often been a force for good than for ill in the world; I carry few illusions about our enemies, and revere the courage and competence of our military.”

That could have been taken from the DLC's book on national defense from last summer, "With All Our Might."

Now, watch Obama paraphrase a DLC article on liberal fundamentalism and advocate a third-way philosophy:

"In distilled form, though, the explanations of both the right and the left have become mirror images of each other. They are stories of conspiracy, of America being hijacked by an evil cabal…. A government that truly represents these Americans (those “who are going about their business every day”)—that truly serves these Americans—will require a different kind of politics.”

Obama also criticizes the Democratic party for being weak on moral values, he speaks of the naivety of the 60s “progressive” movement, he endorses the death penalty, and, what may be the most lethal stab to the heart of his netroots base, declares “a lot of liberal rhetoric value(s) rights and entitlements over duties and responsibilities…. Reagan offered Americans a sense of common purpose that liberals seemed no longer able to muster.”

My understanding is that Obama was offered a spot on the DLC - in fact, the DLC started listing him as a member, but he asked them to stop doing that. What does that indicate?

Obama filled out the necessary paperwork to become a DLC member. He does not dispute this. He now claims he didn't know what it was for after "The Black Commentator" called him on it.

Obama was against our war of choice in Iraq.

New book on Obama says it was a political calculation. Also, in that whole DLC/Black Commentator dust up, it was revealed Obama took his anti-war speech off his website after he won his senate seat. Now what does THAT tell YOU?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

32. Will anyone who believes BO is not a Third Way Democrat dispute these facts? nt

[Radical Activist]

40. Why don't you qoute paragraphs in the same chapter

where Obama criticizes aspects of Clinton's third way and talks about the negative side of welfare reform? Oh that's right, because you don't care about being truthful or accurate.

[wyldwolf]

45. why don't YOU? Let's put it all in context...

...not only welfare reform (the downside of which he was speaking of in hindsite), but also the other things I listed.

[Radical Activist]

47. Why? Don't you have the book in front of you?

My copy is at home and I'm not home at the moment.

You did copy those quotes out of the book didn't you? Oh, I bet not. Why don't you tell us what website or hackjob attack on Obama you copied those quotes from? Come on tell us the truth for once. Why can't you quote anything else from the book?

[wyldwolf]

48. nope. Mine is on loan. You've made the charge my quotes were out context. Prove it.

[Radical Activist]

49. lol once again you are so full of shit.

If your copy is "on loan" (good one!) then why not tell us where you copied the above quotes from? Come on, tell us.

It will be a while but I'll come back, probably tomorrow, and quote from Obama's book since I have actually read it and know your characterizations of Obama being DLC are complete bullshit. Read in context its clear that the opposite is true.

[wyldwolf]

50. Because you made a claim and I asked you to prove it? LOL!

Can't wait for you to put it ALL into context. All of what I listed. Don't "cherry pick" just one thing, now.

Bet you can't wait for that NEW Obama bio. Word has it all of this is explored further.

[Radical Activist]

53. I heard about a new bio in the works

Being done by some Edwards supporters aimed at revealing that Obama is a radical left winger. They were to use documents from his days as a state senator and community organizer when only black and socialist newspapers covered him. The project may have been dropped. Which attack on Obama should I believe? :shrug:

And you're the one who pretended to be quoting from Obama's book, which you don't even have. I'll be back with it.

[wyldwolf]

57. nope, different book. And you're trying to divert from the fact you can't prove your claim.

[Radical Activist]

58. Don't worry. You'll be eating crow soon enough.

I truly regret not having brought my book with me from home today. Next time I'm online I'll have it with me. Of course, you'll deny the obvious when its in front of you, as usual, but it will be obvious to others that you're wrong.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

60. You have had about a month to debunk what WW and I have said

I have posted quotes from Obama's book as well in 2 threads about a month ago, as did WW in a great thread a few weeks ago. In my cases (I don't remember your response to WW's thread) you reacted the same way you did in this thread. However, when asked to provide the "real context" you produced nothing. You did the same when you criticized me for calling Obama a Third Way Democrat. You could not produce any difference between the openly Third Way/DLC HRC's platform and Obama's (there are two that I know of, and Obama is actually to the right of HRC on both :rofl: ).

[wyldwolf]

74. I'll have my copy, too.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

52. He won't

What he does is claim quotes from Obama that contradict the Official Story are taken out of context but he never provides the "real" context. Any guesses as to why? ;)

[Radical Activist]

54. Oh don't worry.

Unlike you, I actually own and have read the book. I don't just selectively quote sections I found on some blog hack job against Obama. Next time I'm online I'll be sure to bring his book along with me.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

51. Obama praised Clinton's Third Way

=="In his platform -- if not always in his day-to-day politics -- Clinton's Third Way went beyond splitting the difference," he writes. "It tapped into the pragmatic, nonideological attitude of the majority of Americans."==

[Radical Activist]

55. He also criticized it.

Its the mark of a reasoned person that he can see both the good and bad in what Clinton did. Why is it that you keep quoting the praise without quoting the criticisms? Because you don't care about truth or accuracy I suppose.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

61. Quotes?

Thanks in advance.

P.S. "Unity" is a clever way to sell the Third Way in a different guise, one which is palatable to progressives until they see it in action if he wins.

[LordJFT]

65. your pretending to be the progressive one calling out obama on his dlc and republican tenencies

and yet you quote a book written by conservatives to slander obama?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

66. This is the book WW is quoting

;)

[LordJFT]

68. i was referring the end of your post where you said

"new book says Obama says Iraq was a political calculation"

[wyldwolf]

75. what proof have you that it is written by the rightwing?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

82. Oh ok. That was WW btw, not me

There is no evidence that has been presented on DU that the book is a right-wing hit job. All we know about it so far is that it is a biography of Obama. We don't know what is in it except for what was mentioned in one Chicago Tribune article (which a BO fan spun as promoting a hit piece book). There are some Obama supporters who view anything that does not show him in a positive light, that contradicts the Obama story, as being a "smear" originating either from the GOP, but usually from HRC, the DLC, or the two working in unison.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

21. HRC isn't a DLCer then? He agrees with her and is arguably to the right of her

If BO does not agree with the DLC on almost anything then HRC, who Obama agrees with on everything aside from health care and merit pay for teachers where he goes to the right of the DLC icon, must either not be a DLCer or a DLCer in name only.

[Virginia Dare]

28. Or someone who disagrees with a DUer...n/t

[maximusveritas]

7. I think he'll endorse Hillary as well

He may be from Illinois, but he shares much more in common politically with Hillary.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

9. Why? Obama and HRC are the same politically

What differences are there between their platforms, except Obama going to the right of HRC on health care and education?

Obama clearly thinks he will get the Rahm endorsement...

[maximusveritas]

15. Yeah, keep telling yourself that. Maybe it'll become true. Maybe

[draft_mario_cuomo]

19. List the differences between Obama's platform and HRC's platform

You strongly feel that there are stark differences between the two. Surely you could easily tick off a few differences between them. Thanks in advance...

I'll give you two: health care and merit pay for teachers. On both issues Obama is amusingly to the right of "DLC corporate tool" HRC. :rofl:

[Radical Activist]

38. He may lose his house seat if he endorses Hillary.

Obama is wildly popular in Illinois and Rahm knows it. I don't think he'll commit political suicide by endorsing Hillary.

But if he does endorse Hillary, then a real progressive would have a good chance at beating him in the primary or using the Green Party's guaranteed ballot line in the general election.

[MidwestTransplant]

12. Maybe he will stay neutral through the primaries

[Bryan Buchan]

13. Who the fuck cares about him, he is a political whore

...let him endorse Kucinich for all I care...

but that is just my rant/opinion!

[NoPasaran]

20. Of course, if he did endorse Kucinich

DU would hail him as the greatest progressive since Ron Paul.

[Virginia Dare]

29. Ditto, Gore...n/t

[some guy]

79. Hey! Hey!

don't be wishing evil on my candidate of choice.

:)

[tigereye]

17. just can't picture Emmanuel hiding under a desk!

he may wait to see how it all shakes out.

[xchrom]

22. rahm emmanuel by any other name is

:puke:

[obnoxiousdrunk]

25. Well at some

point both Rahm and Obama will endorse Hillary.

[SaveElmer]

26. Whoever gets Emanuel's endorsement will be gaining an extremely valuable ally...

I hope it is Hillary, but will understand if he goes with a home stater...

[snowbear]

31. If he endorses anyone, it will be fello' DLC'er and DLC Leader, HRC

DLC Leadership Team

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=137


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[SaveElmer]

33. I hope you are right...

He will be quite an asset to whoever he backs...

[draft_mario_cuomo]

34. Post 27 does a great job of debunking the myth that Obama is not also a Third Way Democrat nt

[Radical Activist]

39. No it doesn't.

Cherry picking quotes out of context proves nothing. I've read the book, I know the point he was making, and there was nothing DLC about it.

[wyldwolf]

41. yep, the old "cherry picking out of context" bit... so, tell us what he DID mean, then... in context

[Radical Activist]

43. Go read my reply

why don't you quote other paragraphs from that same chapter that disprove the point you're dishonestly making?

[wyldwolf]

46. Go read my reply to that.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

35. "Progressive ICON"?!?!?!?!

:spray:

Excuse me while I :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Thanks for the laugh -- damn, I needed that! :D

[draft_mario_cuomo]

36. I am glad to hear that

Sarcasm is always good. :bounce:

[BringBigDogBack]

37. I think it will be Clinton

[Zodiak]

44. I personally do not give a rat's ass who Emmanuel endorses

Because whoever wins, he will rush up to take credit for it...and remind us that his choice won because the left-wing is out of touch with America.

See...I don't even have to find out who he endorses to know the game-plan. It is that predictable.

[snowbear]

56. That's the funny thing... No one here gives a rat's ass !!!

LOL!!

BTW.. Why do so many here add an extra "m" in Emanuel's last name.. ?


Rahm Emanuel

[ripple]

59. Edwards, perhaps?

:wow:

:hide:

[draft_mario_cuomo]

64. Edwards is not in the DLC leader endorsement sweepstakes

;)

[ClassWarfare2008]

67. Why would Obama WANT his endorsement??

Yeah I know Rahm is "from" Illinois, but everyone knows he's part of the Clintonista wing of the DLC. He'll probably be supporting Hillary even if he says otherwise.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

69. The answer lies in your post and because Rahm is powerful

Anti-DLC posters who support BO are confident that Rahm will endorse HRC. Obama is confident Rahm will endorse HIM. I am not surprised. ;)

This thread should never have existed if the claims made about Obama being the anti-DLC, the anti-Clinton were accurate. There is a reason Rahm is thinking about endorsing these two candidates. They fit with Rahm's beliefs (see post 27 for an example).


==Why would Obama WANT his endorsement??
Posted by ClassWarfare2008


Yeah I know Rahm is "from" Illinois, but everyone knows he's part of the Clintonista wing of the DLC. He'll probably be supporting Hillary even if he says otherwise.==

[ClassWarfare2008]

71. Satan is powerful

But I wouldn't want his endorsement if I were running for President! :evilfrown:

And I'm not an Obama supporter. Though I haven't ruled him out by any means.

[illinoisprogressive]

73. Rahm seems more the Clinton type. No scruples.

[Totally Committed]

77. Exactly.

I agree.

TC

[fujiyama]

78. I don't think there's much doubt

If he were to endorse anyone, it'd be Hillary.

People seem to be forgetting his own past work with the Clintons. He has a history with them. The "home state" affiliation won't be enough. And he is closer aligned to Hillary anyways politically.

Personally I don't care. After the election, I have grown to dislike him for being arrogant and an egotistical blowhard, basking in the glory of taking back congress, but ultimately not producing any accomplishments.