Meanwhile Olbermann, on successive nights, entertained two Generals ..... well, three ........

[Stinky The Clown]

... if you count his conversation with Wesley Clark (glad you're now on MSNBC, General). Maybe even four, if you count the general mentioned in the pieces.

But what I'm talking about are the two remarkable interviews he did with Generals Taguba and Karpinski. Karpinski said, not without some sardonic snark, that the only difference between her and Taguba was that he waited until now to tell the same story she told a good while ago.

Both mention Gitmo Geoff Miller, the other two-star in this deal. He's the one who was hell-bent to "Gitmoize" Abu Ghraib. Was he acting alone? Neither Taguba nor Karpinski think so. Karpinsi named names. Names like Rumsfeld. Cambone. Feith. Actually, she didn't so much mention the names as she did spit them out.

Both aver that the lower level military people charged (and now imprisoned) were scapegoats. Yeah, they did what they did. But it isn't as if they were free agents thinking up nefarious shit. The dog collars didn't get packed in Lyndie England's gear back in West Virginia. Somebody gave them to her to use. I wonder if Gitmo Geoff's gear was checked at the border when he entered Iraq.

If Rumsfeld knew about the goings on at Gitmo and Abu, how far a stretch to think that Dickie Darth knew? Or even the Gin Blossom (and his fat pet freak, the Turd Blossom)? Was all this checked out with quaint little Mr. Fixit, Gonzo?

Hello. ::::tap tap tap:::: Is this thing on? Can anyone with the chairmanship of a congressional committee hear me? Can anyone with subpoena power hear me?

We have the EVIDENCE, in living color pictures. We have witnesses, in the form of GENERALS. People with actual stars on their actual shoulders. All we need is a court room or a hearing room.

WHAT IS THE HOLDUP?

[annabanana]

1. Golly. . . aren't there one ore two committees, you know..OVERSIGHT

committees whose job it is to answer some of those questions?

Hmmm
Which committees. . .
Which Chairmen. . .

[MannyGoldstein]

2. Don't Worry!!! The Battlin' Congressional Democrats Will Be Right On Top Of It!!!

:rofl:

[n2doc]

3. Well, there are just too many important things to do!

I mean, gotta distribute some pork, gotta hold some meaningless votes, gotta bring in some more admin people to tell us how they can't remember anything...

[Sparkly]

4. The MUST-READ in case anybody missed it....

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/06/25/070625fa_fact_hersh

[orleans]

12. thanks for the link. i've been reading this article (off and on) for day

plan to finish it tonight.

[hootinholler]

5. Maybe after September? n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

6. Amazing, isn' it. They KNOW as well as *we* know what's going on ......

.... and yet they avoid asking the obvious questions of the obvious people.

The VERY simple fact is ......... war crimes and crimes against humanity were committed. Not by some low IQ private (Lyndie England) and some psychopathic sargeant (Graner). By high level AMERICAN military officers, top level AMERICAN political appointees, and the holders of the HIGHEST AMERICAN offices in the country.

The Congress knows this. The American people know this.

Everyone's just whistling past the fucking graveyard.

[hootinholler]

7. So, maybe Stinky can fill us in...

When do they cross the line into complicity? When are they accomplices instead of timid dumbshits?

-Hoot

[Stinky The Clown]

8. That's a damned good question, Hoot ......

..... one for which I have no answer. I fear we're in uncharted waters here.

[hootinholler]

11. Well then you've seen my greatest fear then.

How can one begin to define the solution when you can't even make this crucial distinction? I can't do it! What a mind-fuck, eh? Small fucking wonder I feel so powerless, but still this little voice says "they've crossed it, mother fuckers, they crossed it."

Answers? You don' need no steenkin ANSWERS. That's the game the whole mother fucking lot of those crainiorectal inversion cases are playing right now. Whistling past the grave yard? Why be generous? They booked Pucinni on parade to cross that street!

The thing I'm trying to get a handle on is: What will finally wake these guys up and how can I make whatever that is happen.

-Hoot

[Morgana LaFey]

9. Clark seemed like he'd always been there --

it was great.

[BikeWriter]

10. Hold someone accountable today!