What is Obama's position on outsourcing?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

Despite all the posts on the Obama memo, what has been conspicuously absent is discussion of his platform on outsourcing. I can't recall a single post in these threads in which Obama supporters contrasted his stance on outsourcing to HRC's.

[BlackHawk706867]

1. I think he feels that the current President should be out sourced. eom ww

[sandnsea]

2. Why is an Edwards supporter smearing Obama n/t

[draft_mario_cuomo]

3. Asking about his record is a smear?

Is Obama running for President of the United States or freshman class president? He needs to stand on policies and a platform, not on personality.

[Ethelk2044]

8. If you honestly want to know what his stance is on outsourcing you need to

contact his campaign.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

54. Wow. Is that what it takes for Obama to tell a voter his actual position on an issue?

That is a very telling post from an apparent Obama supporter. ;)

[sandnsea]

11. As opposed to Joe Trippi's newest mouth piece? n/t

[rinsd]

4. The Obama campaign has awakened a dragon....

D_M_C is as close to a political wolverine as I have ever seen on these boards and you guys have seriously pissed him off.

Enjoy :rofl:

[BeyondGeography]

7. Whiny and over-the-top is more like it

Edwards' dismal polling numbers are what have seriously pissed him off.

[William769]

12. If I were a Obama supporter I would be worried

Edwards is poised to knock Obama right out of 2nd place. The real Obama is starting to show and it ain't pretty.

[BeyondGeography]

14. The one who knows how to throw a punch

and make the Clintonistas cry their frontrunning heads off. I like that guy.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

22. Exactly. Obama's campaign is premised on two things

1) "A new kind of politics"-- :rofl: So much for that!
2) "Unity"--Unity. Except when division helps his political prospects!

The two pillars of the Obama campaign have come crashing down this week. How much damage will be done when the dust settles? If this gets proper media play, this could torpedo the Obama brand. He is the most vulnerable to brand damage because he is relying the least on his record and on policy. HRC is also being vague but she has a lengthy record to stand on.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

13. Either that or the fact that I don't like people appealing to racism against me for political gain

What is odd about that? I am sure Obama doesn't like it when repukes appeal to anti-black racism. Too bad he is willing to do the same thing regarding other groups.

He was my #2 choice before this btw...

[Ethelk2044]

19. Obama did not appeal to racism If a person in his campaign said something to Offend

a race then you need to write his campaign. I did not see anything written by Obama on the web stating that he said something racist. Also, I have not heard any racist words come out of his mouth. For you to continue to try to slander him is ridiculous.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

23. Let's stop that spin. Obama understands the "old politics" of division well

Blaming a staffer for a vicious attack, particularly a bigoted one is an old tactic. It allows the candidate to benefit from the attack while simultaneously being able to publicly deny responsibility for the attack. The candidate maintains his image among his base and gains some converts among the targeted group.

Look for an Obama "statement" disavowing responsibility for this and claiming fealty to the fundamental Democratic commitment to equality for all.

[Tellurian]

28. Welcome...dmc

we've had our skirmishes early on... only because we were on opposite sides of the political fence.

I thought, I saw a glimmer of encouragement from you last week towards our pov...

thanks for the link..:hi:

[draft_mario_cuomo]

56. Thanks

I still don't support HRC (in the sense that I won't advocate her--but I no longer oppose her. I will stick with Edwards to the bitter end. If Gore enters he will become my #2 choice) but I would rather have HRC than Obama. We know the Clintons--in their long career in politics--have never resorted to using racism for political gain. Bill Clinton's triangulation is well-known, but if there is at least one core principle he has it is a commitment to equality. Clinton was for civil rights when very few southerners were. Clinton didn't just talk about race. He acted. At Yale he would occasionally sit at the "black table" in the cafeteria. As a professor at the U. of AR law school he reached out to his black students--outside the classroom. He continued this commitment through his 14 years of service in Arkansas (people forget he was AG of Arkansas for 2 years) and then as prez.

HRC grew on me during the last debate, which led to the slight shift you astutely noticed. She is very competent. I can envision her stepping into the WH on day 1 and doing a good job (if she needs some extra help she can always call on Bill C!). She isn't some rookie who somehow woke up one morning and found himself playing QB in the Super Bowl... ;)

No problem with the link. :hi:

[William769]

5. Thats a smear?

Oh wait, I forgot thats an Obama tactic.

[William769]

6. Much is missing from his platform

One reason I have not been able to comment on it.

[Ethelk2044]

10. Yes, you are right corruption unlike Clinton

[William769]

16. Care to show the corruption?

And yes I know I'm right.

And I have yet to see a Obama supporter answer the question in this thread. just snide remarks, but then again that what was expected.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

18. Ditto

Apparently even his supporters--who are crucifying HRC on outsourcing--don't know where he stands on the issue. How can you vilify HRC when you don't even know where he stands on the issue? Or maybe they do know where he stands. ;)

[Ethelk2044]

9. The same person who was talking good points about Obama last week

trying to smear him on several threads this week.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

15. Any answers? Does anyone at DU know his position on outsourcing?

The "mystery candidate" may be even a bigger mystery than originally thought! :rofl:

[MH1]

31. Try ontheissues.org

http://www.issues2000.org/Barack_Obama.htm

[draft_mario_cuomo]

57. From that here is his record since joining the senate

# Voted YES on free trade agreement with Oman. (Jun 2006)
# Voted NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (Jul 2005)

That gives us an idea, but what about his current position on the issue? Will he do anything to stop outsourcing? What is his position on NAFTA?

[TeamJordan23]

17. What is Clinton's view on outsourcing? NAFTA?

I'm interested to know. I couldn't find it on her website?

[ElizabethDC]

20. Hillary was not a proponent of NAFTA

she encouraged her husband not to push for it. And she voted against CAFTA.

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

26. "There's no legislating against reality! Outsourcing will continue." - HRC n/t

[William769]

21. I'm sure there are plenty of threads about Hillary.

How about answering the question about Obama. I post here at least once a day saying that Obama supporters when they don't have an answer bring up Hillary. Pretty much lik what you just posted.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

25. Exactly. HRC's stance has been explored amply today in numerous threads

How about Obama backers who crucified HRC on the issue today talk about their man's stance on the issue? This isn't complicated...

[elizm]

24. Maybe this site will help you...

http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm#Free_Trade

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

29. He hesitated to vote against CAFTA, ideologically he is a free trader

[TeamJordan23]

33. And Hillary isn't a free-trader?

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

36. She is too, but the scary thing about Obama...

The scary thing about Obama is that no one knows he is. If he becomes President, it will be a hell of a lot easier for Obama to sell out American industries than Clinton, because we EXPECT it from Clinton and are ready to react to her.

[William769]

32. Funny thing is there is nothing on his official web site.

I also went through his speeches on his website nothing. Maybe thats why his supporters can't answer the question. When will Obama?

[TeamJordan23]

34. Also Funny, Nothing on Clinton's website

Where's the beef?

[MH1]

27. Here you go

http://www.issues2000.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Corporations.htm

Barack Obama on Corporations
Democratic Jr Senator (IL); previously State Senator


Tax incentives for corporate responsibility

1. Obama's "REAL USA" Corporations Plan (Responsible, Accountable, Loyal USA Corporations) will reward companies that create quality jobs in America with tax incentives. Companies will be required to: locate in the United States 90% of its production and employment for the sales of goods and services that are consumed here;
2. invest at least 50% of its R&D budget here in the U.S;
3. make sure their workers have access to affordable health care by providing a standardized and portable health insurance plan and pay at least 70% of the cost;
4. make sure their workers have retirement security by contributing at least 5% of payroll to a portable, multi-employer pension fund and operating a profit-sharing plan for all full time employees; and
5. limit management compensation to 50 times the lowest-paid full-time worker.

Source: Campaign website, ObamaForIllinois.com Jun 25, 2004

Close tax loopholes for US companies relocating abroad
Obama will change the tax code by closing loopholes that give companies incentives to move jobs abroad, including denying tax benefits to former American companies that reincorporate offshore to avoid paying taxes.
Source: Campaign website, ObamaForIllinois.com Jun 25, 2004

REAL USA Plan: Reward companies that create domestic jobs
Obama's "REAL USA" Corporations Plan (Responsible, Accountable, Loyal USA Corporations) will reward companies that create quality jobs in America with tax incentives. Companies will be required to:

1. locate in the United States 90% of its production and employment for the sales of goods and services that are consumed here;
2. invest at least 50% of its R&D budget here in the U.S;
3. make sure their workers have access to affordable health care by providing a standardized and portable health insurance plan and pay at least 70% of the cost;
4. make sure their workers have retirement security by contributing at least 5% of payroll to a portable, multi-employer pension fund and operating a profit-sharing plan for all full time employees; and
5. limit management compensation to 50 times the lowest-paid full-time worker.

Source: Press Release, "Creating Jobs in America" Jun 21, 2004

Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore.
Amendment to repeal the tax subsidy for certain domestic companies which move manufacturing operations and American jobs offshore.
Reference: Tax Subsidy for Domestic Companies Amendment; Bill S AMDT 210 to S Con Res 18 ; vote number 2005-63 on Mar 17, 2005

[madrchsod]

51. please do not confuse people with the facts

[draft_mario_cuomo]

58. Most of that is before he went Hollywood. What is his current position on the issue?

He is running for president. Surely he must have some plank on the issue in his platform. What about his record in the senate--not just his rhetoric from 2004?

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

30. No one's given a satisfactory response because Obama has no position

He's running on his image alone. He's already been infiltrated by Chicago School economists, Wall Street yuppies and pukes.

[NYCGirl]

35. Read the post above yours:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3319238&mesg_id=3319306

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

37. The question is whether he will LEAD America to CHANGE COURSE on this

Not whether he voted with his party when it was expedient.

[Ethelk2044]

40. He is about the only one running who is willing to change from the

status quo.

[ElizabethDC]

42. And in what ways is he going to change the status quo?

so far he's doing a pretty good job maintaining it.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

59. Why hasn't anyone responding this fundamental question about the Obama candidacy?

He is running on change. Well, in what ways is he going to effect change? StudentsMustUniteNow is right. He is running on his image, not on a platform or substance. Even his supporters don't know where he stands on key issues or how exactly he is going to effect change.

[William769]

43. Yep he's proven that today!

:sarcasm:

[draft_mario_cuomo]

60. A moment of silence for the "new politics" myth

RIP February 2007-June 2007

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

44. Funny, Sarkozy campaigned on the same thing in France n/t

[Ethelk2044]

38. Your post is incorrect. Hillary has been infiltrated by Wall Street

Look at who has been giving her money.

[ElizabethDC]

39. IIRC, Obama got more Wall Street donations last quarter than Hillary did. n/t

[TeamJordan23]

47. He also got more than Hillary in the number of individual donors who gave less than $50

[William769]

50. Does that include the event for 8,000 she just had?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

62. How many of those know of his corporate backing?

How many of them know he has exactly the same position as HRC on Iraq? He has gotten this far largely on image. Eventually--especially if he ever overtakes HRC (which seems likely after the 2Q fundraising results)--and becomes the frontrunner he will be scrutinized. He is similar to Giuliani. Most people don't know about his actual views. As they learn about them, his numbers have fallen. A similar fate will befall Obama when he starts to get scrutiny, instead of daily BJ's from the media.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

61. That is true. Obama got more WS support than Giuliani, Romney, and McCain as well

Let's put aside the image for a moment. Why did he get more Wall Street support than, not only DLC'er HRC, but Republican front-runners, including a former mayor of NYC and a former wealthy businessman? What about Obama is more attractive to Wall Street than what they see in HRC, Romney, Giuliani, and even McCain?

We really need to find out what the Mystery Candidate stands for...

[William769]

41. It sure wasn't Tony Rezko!

:rofl:

[Ethelk2044]

46. This will not hurt him. Not like what your candidate has in store for her

[ElizabethDC]

48. You keep accusing Hillary supporters of trying to smear Obama

but what are you doing?

Hillary's been examined by the RW pretty thoroughly - what exactly does she have in store?

[William769]

49. being able to measure the drapes in the Oval office!

Thats what she has in store for her.

[Ethelk2044]

52. Wild Dreams I see

[William769]

53. Dreams do come true!

Being from the slums of Detroit, to living the good life in Florida, I should know.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

63. That is funny since the Obama campaign itself is the one engaging in smears

I haven't seen the HRC campaign smear Obama...

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

45. Ummm...how does that make my post incorrect? You've been on my back all day

Accusing me of being a Hillary supporter.

[illinoisprogressive]

55. i have heard him say many times he is for Fair Trade and redoing

nafta as we already have this treaty but, we can make it much more fair to workers and our jobs.
Also, i know this poster means no harm in asking a question. DMC is a good person.

[sampsonblk]

64. Oh yeah, like this is an important issue

C'mon. Only if Obama wins will you find out what his actual position on outsourcing is - no matter what he says now. Whatever positions you get from these guys on the third- & fourth-tier issues is just meaningless campaign garbage.

This election will be about the war. The candidate who wins on the war issue, and has the best behind-the-scenes organization, and doesn't call anyone 'macaca' will win.

[Bullet1987]

65. Obama has shown no sign that he would repeal NAFTA or CAFTA...

Even at the AFL-CIO voter forum Obama was at last month, he was asked about fair trade policy and skirted the question...this was his reply...

"Obama replied, “Let’s all acknowledge that to some degree globalization is here.… The world is smaller than it used to be.”

He added, “When we negotiate trade deals, we’ve got to make sure there are strong labor and environmental provisions in those trade deals. They’ve got to be enforceable. You’ve got to be able to go to the WTO (World Trade Organization) and say labor provisions are not being enforced."

And he has said that numerous times, even in his book. Though, I do think he would have a MORE fair trade-like policy than we've currently seen (since he HAS said in the past that he supports free and fair trade). I just don't think he FULLY supports a straight Fair Trade policy...as if he would rework the entire system. You can read the entire MSNBC article below...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18643647/">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18643647/

There's a reason the business sector supports him... ;) And before anyone jumps on my case...Hillary Clinton takes the SAME position on this issue.