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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 10:02 PM
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Pelosi says while Democrats have failed to force Bush to a timetable he's backed into a corner
Pelosi sees ‘drastic’ troop cuts by mid-2008
Bush’s credibility on war in Iraq ‘in very bad shape,’ speaker says
MSNBC
Updated: 6:58 p.m. ET June 7, 2007
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19100147/

WASHINGTON - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi predicted Thursday that there would be “a drastic reduction in troops” in Iraq by the middle of 2008, saying Democratic opposition to the war had “changed the debate on Iraq in our country.”

In an interview airing Friday on MSNBC’s “Hardball,” Pelosi, D-Calif., told host Chris Matthews that while Democrats may have failed for now to force President Bush to agree to a timetable to withdraw U.S. troops, their agitation for disengagement from Iraq had backed the president into a corner.

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“What you do is to have legislation that says that the funds for the troops will be used to redeploy them out of Iraq,” she said, adding that such a measure could take the form of a bill to repeal “the authority of the president to go to war in the first place.”

“There are several different resolutions to that effect,” Pelosi said. “We will, most certainly, be voting on one of them.”

Bush losing more support on Hill
Pelosi’s warning came as a new Associated Press poll showed that only 28 percent of Americans said they were satisfied with Bush’s handling of the war. With an eye on such numbers, senators put heavy pressure Thursday on Bush’s nominee to coordinate the war effort to speed up a resolution of some sort in Iraq.


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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 10:03 PM
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1. We've got him right where we want him!
...oi oi
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 10:09 PM
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2. Oh really?
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 10:10 PM
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3. He'll just veto such a bill.
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 10:11 PM by drm604
He's not going to sign anything that repeals his authority and there won't be enough votes to override his veto.

Surely Pelosi knows this. Am I missing something? :shrug:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 10:29 PM
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7. She's trying to spin...
the Dem's cave to Bush, but I sure am not buying it.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:24 PM
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12. Yea, I know.
I was just hoping that maybe there really was something there that I wasn't seeing. I think I hate this kind of spin even more when it comes from our side. :-(
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 11:56 AM
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18. So do I...
hate this spin comming from the Dems. Its sinking to their level, and their better at it.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 10:12 PM
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4. He only got to kill half a million and get the oil...
I guess we showed him, didn't we ? :evilfrown:
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 05:30 AM
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15. He's hardly tapped them and probably never will...
Iraq Oil Outpust Lowest Since Invasion

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates, Apr. 28, 2006

(AP) With oil prices above $70 a barrel fouling the world economy, dismay is focusing on Iraq, whose exports have slipped to their lowest levels since the 2003 invasion.

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Iraq, a founding member of OPEC, sits atop the world's third-highest proven reserves. Its estimated 115 billion barrels is more than any other OPEC member except for Saudi Arabia and Iran.

But contrary to optimistic expectations, Iraq's oil production has slipped further and further since the U.S.-led invasion, to an average of 2 million barrels a day. It has never regained even the reduced production levels that prevailed in the 1990s, when Iraq was under tough U.N. sanctions.

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In 1990, probably its peak production year, Iraq extracted about 3.5 million barrels a day. Restoring production to that level would require years and a $30 billion investment, Orwel said, even in the "best case scenario."

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/28/ap/world/mainD8H969Q00.shtml

Not much has changed since then of course...

Just 26 million Iraqis to go...

:evilfrown:
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 10:22 PM
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5. Madame Squeaker is delusional.
The voters are not that stupid.



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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 10:25 PM
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6. Sure Nancy, he has YOU just where he wants you
what a joke
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 10:33 PM
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8. Yes he does...
They did have him set up, but they did not take him down. Dems may never have that chance again, sad.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 10:43 PM
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9. Yeah, the debate on the War
On Iraq has changed in this country but it's because our Soldiers are being slaughtered and Iraqis are dying by the hundred thousands and 4 or so Million Iraqis are leaving their country..displaced!

HELL-O! Time to GET OUTTA IRAQ and you know it, Ms Pelosi!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 10:57 PM
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10. He won the last battle, but he's lost the war.
literally and politically.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:13 PM
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11. please Madam Speaker.....
....“changed the debate on Iraq in our country”....“a drastic reduction in troops”....do you feel the least bit embarrassed when you say things like this?
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 01:48 AM
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13. Kicked back in his chair, munchin pretzels & channel surfin - O yeah he's in a corner
:eyes:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:55 AM
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21. I always pictured him...
spinning around in his chair like a child and Uncle Dick scolding him.
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 07:40 PM
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29. Nicer image than his head spinnin round while spewin pea soup
Which is how I think he probably acts when not doped to the gills on his meds & put in front of a podium to blurt inanitities at the lapdogs in the press.

:puke:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 01:52 AM
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14. Bush and Cheney DESERVE to be impeached.
Olbermann did a hard-hitting segment on this that left me seething. The Democrats would be shirking their duties if they DON'T impeach. But the war is another pressing issue that IMO takes precedence. The Democrats damn well better be doing whatever it takes to bring the war to an end. I have probably more patience than the majority of folks around here, and the Democrats are approaching getting on my last nerve with this excruciating process.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 06:52 PM
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20. Agreed...
I would LOVE to see them impeached, they sure earned it. But you are right about the war and the Dems doing whatever it takes. I had hope, still do, I guess, but when they sold out on the funding bill, much of that hope went straight down the toilet.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 03:31 PM
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23. my patience ends in September
I will be fresh out of patience by then. My theory is that perhaps the Dems are holding the 36K earmarks as carrots for the GOP. The fact that the surge report card allegedly comes in September and the earmarks will be announced in September could very well be a coincidence, but I suspect it may have something to do with another attempt to shut down the war then.

We will know then I suppose; it's just a crime that people will continue to die until then.

It is very disappointing that the Democrats haven't played hardball right out of the box and, for the record, the entire cache of my patience will be spent by September. If they don't muster the stones to end the war then, they better start impeachment. Because if they don't do either they aren't worth spit and our system is officially, irretrievably broken.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 07:26 AM
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16. Great Nancy. I feel _SO_ much better now
You "backed him into a corner" while more kids die. Woo-hoo!
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 08:16 AM
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17. Of course there will be large troop reductions right before the elections
That is the reason for the "surge". They build troop levels up to two hundred thousand so they can pull out seventy five thousand about 40% and tell America there have been major troop reductions which proves Bush* won the war, but in actuality the numbers return to about the same as before the "surge" and Democrats will get sucker punched by it even though it is being telegraphed months in advance..
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-10-07 03:00 PM
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31. Yep
They pulled this same stunt before.

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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 11:59 AM
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19. She's so full of sh*t.
And, I had such high hopes for her.

TC
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 01:33 PM
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22. I didn't think they had the votes to back him in a corner.
At least that's what all the apologists have been claiming.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 03:32 PM
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24. put up or shut up -- end the war/impeachment
just do it
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 05:20 PM
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25. I don give a rats ass...I support the bitch...I tink she be doing a fine job...
Far better than Hastert/Newt ever was...
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 05:25 PM
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26. I like her too.
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 07:00 PM
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27. Hey Nancy, give me some of whatever it is you are smoking
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 07:21 PM
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28. Say again? I'm not following that one. Seems they're taking a page out of...
Seems they're taking a page out of the Rove spin book. Only they're not as good at it as "in the last throes" Repubs are.

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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-10-07 11:25 AM
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30. Exactly...
we can't go toe to toe with them in spin.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-10-07 04:35 PM
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32. Good for them. That is the way to do it. I'm sure * will still veto. But at the very
least the troops will not be in dire straights. I hope.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 02:02 PM
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33. the troops are in dire straights n/t
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 04:04 PM
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34. of course they are. I meant worse straights I guess. My bad.
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