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Eugene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 07:15 AM Original message |
AP: (Hillary) Clinton wants Pre-K for all 4-year-olds |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 07:28 AM Response to Original message |
1. Great idea -- although it'll never pass |
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Missy M (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 07:31 AM Response to Original message |
2. It is a good thing and sorely needed........ |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 07:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. We should cradle to grave health care and education in this country, but it |
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Missy M (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 07:57 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Exactly...... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #6 |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
84. Are you old enough to remember Floyd R. Turbo? |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 08:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
99. Some of us "American's" even read grammar books. |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
68. I agree with you on both points. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
4. I'd prefer a huge improvement on K through 12 but not a bad idea |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Wow! Welcome to DU. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #57 |
72. J_d...did you read what he said??? |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. I did. Hence...the "wow" and the "enjoy your stay" |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #55 |
74. Well you're all f***ed up in the head... |
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earthside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
5. Terrible Idea |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 08:51 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. A four year old should be in pre-school. Read the stats. and to presume a four year old |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:11 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Remember, "I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:50 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Misinterpretation of the quote |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
44. great, post. Thank you :-) |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Not what she meant by that quote |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
89. I never took it that way at all.She got needlessly slammed for that. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:12 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. consider that this is pre-K, not day care |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:39 AM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Find Me a Four Year Old |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Heh. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. some are still in need of a little conciousness raising, I'm afraid. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
41. Read the Feminine Mistake. It was just covered in Air America this morning. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
60. Oh, the anti-SAHM book. Maybe liberals ought to learn that they have SAHMs |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. No Thanks |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 07:38 PM Response to Reply #60 |
92. Liberals are not anti-stay at home parents. They are equal opportunity. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
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electron_blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
77. Wow, you sure know a lot. Speak for your own situation, please. |
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DesertRat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
85. Don't confuse PreK with daycare |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
59. I'm a SAHM, and I still want my child in preschool. So there are |
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steel71 (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
67. Have you ever taken a statistics class? |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #67 |
128. Out of idle curiosity and for my edification, |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
26. Shouldn't that be up to the parent? |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
58. Disagree. I am a parent of a child who will be 4 in summer. |
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electron_blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
76. The reality is that most 4 yr olds are in some kind of daycare, much of it |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 01:26 AM Response to Reply #5 |
119. What about single parents? n/t |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
7. I really like Hillary, but this is an idiotic idea |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 08:50 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. The college kids should get money, too |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 08:55 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Universal Pre-School (this modern version of universal day care) is something that |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Good post n/t |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
50. President Nixon called Day Care a communist plot when both houses passed a universal day care |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Just what we need in this country - more of the "day care" culture... |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #51 |
91. enabling people to work is caring for families. What is all this "family " talk anyway? |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 07:59 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. I think we may be near agreement. Why shudder at so-called "family talk"? |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 10:47 PM Response to Reply #96 |
111. So then what is a "day care " culture. People have always had help raising children |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 07:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
93. " Read the Feminine Mistake" |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #93 |
113. Well since you have insulted me and my family I guess there is nothing more to say. You said it all |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:02 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Head start actually has been shown to help |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
61. Do you have kids? MOST kids go to preschool when they're 4. |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:06 PM Response to Reply #61 |
102. "A lot of weird assumptions in this thread." |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 08:59 AM Response to Reply #102 |
123. Do YOU have a 4 year old? Because I think those of us who DO |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #123 |
126. I have been through the 4 year old stage 3 times. So do I |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
11. This is why we need a feminist President: to put the needs of children and education on the top tier |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:44 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. If You Want to Put the Needs of Children on Top Tier |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
47. and, your assuming she won't? Let's start with children since wages, health care, food safety all |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
71. I believe it's a wonderful program.. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
15. Yes, Let's Get Them Tamed and Indoctrinated Early |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Parents? We don't need no stinkin' parents! |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Correct! |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
48. I would think that line refers to tv watching - not day care and pre-school. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 12:42 AM Response to Reply #15 |
117. That line goes back to the 1950s;conflating state-sponsored day care with Soviet practices... |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 07:04 AM Response to Reply #117 |
122. My Friend, Soviet Practices Are Here |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 09:56 AM Response to Reply #117 |
125. Great information, thank you. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
21. I hope she goes with this and makes it a priority (along with health care) |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Me too |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
25. Is This a True Liberal Perspective? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I'm a true liberal. |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Okay ... so what is in it from the kids perspective ? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. The kid comes out ahead... |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. yep |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. It's a weird combination... |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. BS. To say that parents should place a priority on taking care of their |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. To say a parent needs to stay home (i.e. the mother) |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. No one that i've seen has said a mother needs to stay home to properly raise their child. |
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thoughtcrime1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. I am a dad of a 6 year old boy |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Obviously, you're a horrible parent. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Happy parents and material wealth does not necessarily equate with well-adjusted, healthy children. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. Never said it did. |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Amazing ... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Do you have a problem paying for Kindergarten? |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Basicaly ... yeah .. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. We aren't a rich nation? |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Just someone who can read |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. What part of "richest country in the world..." |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Now look who is repeating talking points .. |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
103. What other countries have a higher per capita GDP than the U.S? |
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michaelwb (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #103 |
127. Several |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #39 |
81. And who will pay your social security, may I ask? Those of us |
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DesertRat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
100. The kid has an advantage |
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steel71 (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. Remember, they are going to be the STATE'S children |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
82. Well, they didn't do a great job with you. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
62. 3 or 4 hours a day of learning is "indoctrination"? |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. You see his problem isn't "indoctrination" it's money. I've got mine |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. I've got mine? |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #66 |
83. As stated upthread, those kids are going to pay your social security |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 06:30 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Are you just teasing me to set me into a rage :) |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #66 |
107. How about when you get a society full of doctors , engineers, construction workers |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. I think this program would provide for Pre-K rather than Pre-school. |
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DesertRat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 06:50 PM Response to Reply #64 |
88. Wrong. It's just semantics. |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 08:14 PM Response to Reply #62 |
97. I agree this thread is ignorant but for reasons very different than yours |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #97 |
131. couldn't agree more. n/t |
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DesertRat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
87. Indoctrination? |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #87 |
124. Great post, DesertRat. Thank you. n/t |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
70. This is the first positive point I have seen in what she has presented. |
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Az_lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
73. How about vouchers for pre-school??? |
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electron_blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
75. Excellent idea! |
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Celeborn Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
79. That's fine |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
80. Kucinich Issues Statement on Sen. Clinton's Plan |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #80 |
90. I agree with him...but I'm glad she's at least talking about it. |
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primative1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 07:54 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. I knew the Funding was in the Toilet ... |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
95. how very dictatoral of her. |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Your Hillary hate is predictable and boring |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
101. Hillary has been in the Senate for 6-years, and she just discovered this issue? |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. Oh dear. Please cover up. Your bi ..ass is showing, and it ain't |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
104. In Puerto Rico everyone goes to Pre-Kinder |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:52 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. Read the thread from top to bottom. |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 10:05 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Yep ..shoving your baby off to a stranger is super duper progressive. |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 10:48 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. 4 year olds aren't babies.. |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Yes they are |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 01:12 AM Response to Reply #114 |
118. I went to Pre-K, and it was cool |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #108 |
129. Agreed. I guess the major question then is how we define "backwards." |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
105. Blah, blah., government should be parents, blah, blah, kids should |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 10:06 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. Blah blah blah...Mmmm ......feta |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
115. As long as it's voluntary, |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
116. How about we fully fund & expand the Head Start program? It actually works very well. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 01:27 AM Response to Reply #116 |
121. Huzzah to that! n/t |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
120. Again, why in the world would someone oppose that kids go to Pre-K? |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #120 |
130. I have no idea |
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