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ShimokitaJer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 09:50 AM Original message |
Kerry, the New Democrats, and American Military Hegemony |
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Ninga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
1. This is no place for reasoned debate. |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 02:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
74. The absurdity of facts and history. Lock this thread!!!!...the truth corp |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
2. End American Power!!! |
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ShimokitaJer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 10:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. And what kind of American power would you see used? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 10:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. The power is: |
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ShimokitaJer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 10:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. It's either America or some other country? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 10:37 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I believe |
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ShimokitaJer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 10:48 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I think I've got your message loud and clear |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 11:11 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. No. We agree. You just don't understand. |
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ShimokitaJer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 11:29 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. You can't assume this power will be used responsibly |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 10:54 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. "Our economical power" |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 11:17 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Yer right Cheswick, thanks for pointing that out |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 12:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
62. Our economic power comes at the expense of others |
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Sideways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 01:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
42. Great Brittan? Where The Fuck Is That? |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
3. That's not what's being said at all |
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ShimokitaJer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 10:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Regarding point C |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 10:54 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Perhaps I read too quickly |
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ShimokitaJer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 12:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. I don't consider this "moderate rhetoric" |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 12:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. It sounds like they are not willing to cede authority to the U.N. |
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ShimokitaJer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 12:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. cede authority to the UN??? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 01:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Like it or not, the Constitution does not allow the government to cede |
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ShimokitaJer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 01:26 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. You're still talking in right wing talking point terms |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 01:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. I believe Bush has perverted reasonable notions of multilateralism |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 01:08 PM Response to Reply #45 |
63. Is this the Democratic version of the "white man's burden"? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 01:52 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. This is our Constitution |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 01:54 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. PATRIOT Act suspended the Bill of Rights |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 02:01 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Divert. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 02:14 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. You want to talk about the Constitution, but you failed to note that the |
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Ninga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 10:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I have no doubt in my mind that Dean or Kucinich |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 02:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
75. More truth!! Mods...Lock this thread now!!!!!!!!! |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-15-04 05:01 PM Response to Reply #75 |
97. Jesus Polpilot. THANK YOU for making me laugh! |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
5. Thanks for the informative pust. This should help some of our |
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revcarol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
10. Don't you just love it: the way we supposedly have a CHOICE.... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 11:44 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. What I don't like is the slanderous morphing of Democrats with Pugs |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 11:53 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I boo-booed |
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ShimokitaJer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 12:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. I meant to imply nothing of the sort |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 12:51 PM Original message |
You can either dismiss the language of multilateralism or accept it |
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ShimokitaJer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
31. I welcome multilateralism but question their commitment to it |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 01:22 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Don't get snippy. I'm doing my best here. |
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ShimokitaJer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 01:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. I apologize for the snippiness |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 01:43 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. I've enjoyed this discussion |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 01:17 PM Response to Reply #24 |
64. In practical terms, Kerry supports Plan Colombia |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 01:57 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. In practical terms |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 02:19 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Here is Kerry's Cuba statement, as reported by Washington Post |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 08:22 PM Response to Reply #67 |
81. Chrip, chirp, chirp |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-15-04 04:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
94. Well, it's funny you should mention this... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-15-04 04:52 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. "Statement on Post-War Iraq" and the "Second Statement on Post-War Iraq". |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-15-04 05:19 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. I strongly recommend this article debate between Marshall and Jeff Faux |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 03:09 AM Response to Reply #96 |
103. EXACTLY. Now do you see why this concerns us? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 07:09 AM Response to Reply #18 |
104. A couple of minor points missing in the "progressive internationalist" six |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
22. I can't believe this is even subject to debate. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 12:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. This is what I mean by piecemeal attacks |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 12:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Kerry's statements on preemption |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 01:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Thanks for going to the trouble |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 01:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Yet, he has never advocated preemptive war. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 01:34 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Um |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 01:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Ah, but we have had this conversation before |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:15 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. So after bush lied his way through his campaign in 2000 |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. cmon, we are all big boys and girls |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Congress is the lever. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Do you think Kerry was ignorant of bush's clear record of lying |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. You cannot read his statements, before and after Bush pushed past Congress |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 01:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
43. Seems like we get to choose coke or pepsi. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
25. Thanks for the informative post |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:53 PM Response to Reply #25 |
52. Well put |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
27. Like Fuckin for Virginity.. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 12:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Simplistic blather without foundation, substance, or proof. |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 05:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
56. yeah military intervention in iraq resulted in peace |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
30. ## Support Democratic Underground! ## |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
34. Power corrupts... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 01:29 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I can take any quote and draw broad inferences from it |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
46. Looks like more of the same to me |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. An insult to anyone and everyone who protested the war |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 02:54 PM Response to Reply #48 |
80. A pro-war candidate promoted by the pro-war DLC as a demo alternative |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-15-04 05:20 PM Response to Reply #80 |
102. yeah it sucks |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
50. kick |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
55. Meet the new boss. (nt) |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
57. but but but he has a d after his name |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 07:05 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. like, duh, dude, |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
59. kickety kick |
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ShimokitaJer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 09:20 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Thankety thanks |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
61. A big kick against imperialism in all of its forms |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 02:04 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. And what do you propose outside of throwing stones at Kerry? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 02:20 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Dennis Kucinich |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-16-04 07:16 AM Response to Reply #69 |
105. argument by diversion to emotionalized irrelevancy |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
70. the pacifist and protectionist left offers no credible alternative |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 02:27 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. In the meantime, our civil liberties are being trampled |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. But the Security Council was against the invasion as was Kerry |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. What did Kerry say when the invasion began? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 08:37 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Kerry Regarding President Bush's Announcement on Iraq 03/18/2003 |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 08:50 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Am I missing something? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 08:55 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. You are right, Kerry is endorsing preemptive war and toppling Saddam |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 09:09 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. The U.N. never indicated that they thought invasion was a good idea |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 09:15 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Hey, bigtree |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 09:26 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Thanks Free! |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 09:21 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. They didn't indicate that over Kosovo, either |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 09:26 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Kerry also said that Saddam tried to kill Bush's daddy |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 09:39 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. We still don't know the true nature or amount of evidence presented |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Kerry should have endorsed what Pax Christi said when the war began |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-15-04 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
91. Kick |
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Nicholas_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-15-04 03:45 AM Response to Original message |
92. Kerry's Progressive Internationalism |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-15-04 12:28 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Ah, some reason |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-15-04 04:47 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. I absolutely do not trust Kerry |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-15-04 05:05 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. Yeah, you can scare some with half-quotes, leaving out qualifiers |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-15-04 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
98. Book-marking this to read in depth when I log back on but wanted |
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eyeswideopened (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-15-04 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
100. Thanks for this post... It confirms all my fears of Kerry winning. |
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