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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 03:27 PM
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The Contempt of Condoleezza
Edited on Sun Apr-29-07 04:14 PM by Vyan

Today Secretary of State made a whirlwind tour appearing both on Face the Nation with Bob Schieffer and This Week with George Stephanapolous to address the multi-headed shit storm that's coming her way from the never-ending 16 Words Controversy, George Tenet's New Book, her failure to respond to 9-11 warnings and apparent "inclination" to blow-off a Congressional Subpoena.

Yeah, Life Sure can be a Bitch when you're a Gangsta! eh, Condi?

The most pressing issue, since George Tenet will be appearing on 60 Minutes tonight, is the fact that in his new book he confirms the July 10th briefing with Condi Rice and Stephan Hadley that was first revealed by Bob Woodwards "State of Denial".

Rice originally denied that the briefing had even happened, claiming that it wasn't mentioned in the 9-11 report!

But that canard didn't last long when her spokesman Sean McCormack revealed that there really had been a briefing, but gee it wasn't really any "big deal", ok?

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack ... the information Rice got "was not new'’ and didn’t amount to an urgent warning.

Strange, that's not how McClatchy reported it.

One official who helped to prepare the briefing, which included a PowerPoint presentation, described it as a "10 on a scale of 1 to 10″ that "connected the dots" in earlier intelligence reports to present a stark warning that al-Qaida, which had already killed Americans in Yemen, Saudi Arabia and East Africa, was poised to strike again...

Today Schieffer pressed Rice on this issue, using excerpts from tonights 60 minutes report where Tenet states that his briefing was intended to spark immediate pre-emptive offensive attacks in Afghanistan against Al Qaeda.

Rice: The idea of launching preemptive strikes into Afghanistan in July of 2001, this is a new fact. I don't know what we were supposed to pre-emptively strike in Afghanistan. Perhaps someone should ask that question...

A New Fact? Really? Back when the Woodward's book came out, it was discussed on Olberman with Roger Cressey.

OLBERMANN: My first question, you‘re now consulting within a firm with Richard Clarke, who was at that meeting on July 10, on the central question of whether Rice was warned then of an attack on the U.S. Do we know who‘s right here, Woodward or Secretary Rice?

CRESSEY: Yes, she was warned. I mean, there was a meeting. It was George Tenet, Dick Clarke, another individual from the agency, Cofer Black, and Steve Hadley. And what it was, Keith, was a briefing for Dr. Rice that was similar to a briefing the CIA gave to us in the situation room about a week before, laying out the information, the intelligence, laying out the sense of urgency. And it was pretty much given to Dr. Rice and Steve Hadley in pretty stark terms.

But it was more than just a warning - there was a plan attached also.

OLBERMANN: The $500 million Cofer Black action plan against bin Laden, would have read like crazy talk if that had been presented to her as Woodward describes it?

CRESSEY: Not crazy talk, but because in some respects, that‘s what we did after 9/11...

Although Cofer's amazingly deft Bucket-O-Bin-Laden's-Head plan was probably a bit over the top (Wassa matter - they don't make decent Pikes no more?), at the very least they could have done what Bill Clinton Did in 1998 against Al Qaeda and even if they didn't kill bin Laden, they could have disrupted their operations and sent a signal that we were on to them, just as he had with the Lincoln and Holland Tunnel Attacks and the Millenium Bomb Plot. It might have postponed or even cause 9-11 to be aborted.

Or they could have done what Clinton really wanted to do which was have Special Forces go after Bin Laden. Clinton stated...

"Hugh , what i think would scare the shit out of these al Qaeda guys more than any cruise missle... would be the sight of U.S. commandos, Ninja guys in black suits, jumping out of helicopters into their camps, spraying machine guns. Even if we don't get the big guys, it will have a good effect."

Except that the Joint Chief's wouldn't let him.

Then there was the Armed Predator Project which had languished on the shelf since Bush had taken office, and the fact that despite Richard Clark's desperate plea for a meeting of the NSC Principles to discuss the immentent threat of Al Qeada and implement his PLAN TO ATTACK AND DISMANTLE THEM (pdf) back in January of 2001 - No Such Meeting took place until September!

Anyway, while the Bush Administration was laying down in the face of Al Qaeda - they were more than ready to stand up and swat down the "imminent threat" of Saddam Hussein in Iraq.

Rice on This Week today. (Not an exact transcript)

Stephanapolous: So was Iraq really an imminent threat?

Rice: Imminent? An "imminent threat" is not "if somebody is going to strike tomorrow," but rather, "it’s whether you believe you’re in a stronger position today to deal with the threat, or whether you’re going to be in a stronger position...

Well, what we tried to do was assess whether the threat was growing better or worse. Saddam has abused the UN Oil for Food Program. His people were under harsh sanctions, while he was enriching himself. He was still filing mass graves. This was a threat that needed to be dealt with. It was the totality of the picture prompted the President to make the decision he made

Ok, we had to solve the mass grave problem in Iraq, but not in Darfur? We had to "Get Saddam" but Bin Laden wasn't news? Bin Laden determined to attack inside the U.S. was "Historical Information?" Yeah, right.

It's odd that I've never noticed a single mention of Mass Graves in HJ 141, the Iraq Force Resolution. But maybe that's because IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY.

It does say this...

Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolutions of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;

This seems to be more about recovering our MIA's and property stolen from Kuwait during the First Gulf War than addressing the "imminent threat of Iraqi mass graves", doesn't it?

Well, it does talk about Saddam Hussein's attempts to gather WMD's and Nuclear Materials.

Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;

Unfortunately, none of this was true.

Which then leads us to the next issue that Rice was hammered about this morning - The 16 Words.

Back in 2003 Rice said on This Week:

The Intelligence Community did not know, at least at levels that got to us (in the White House), that their were serious questions about this report

And today on This Week:

Stephanopolous: But that statement wasn't true. You and Stephen Hadley received a memo in October of 2002 that indicated that there were serious questions < about the 16 words report>.

On both shows, Rice stuck to her talking points.

This has been one of the most investigation issues...

The information was included in the NIE...

Both the Robb-Silbermann Commission and the Select Senate Commitee have addressed this...

I have answered these questions with hundreds of pages of documents and with several letters...

I answered these questions at my confirmation hearing...

Maybe we (Hadley and I) should have remembered (to keep the 16 words out after the Cincinatti speach), but we didn't

In point of fact neither the http://www.wmd.gov/about.html">Robb-Silberman Commission or the http://intelligence.senate.gov/iraqreport2.pdf">Senate Select Commitee investigation had the authority to address the question of how the Bush Administration used, manipulated and/or ignored the intelligence it was provided.

The Robb-Silbermann commission essentially blames the Intelligence Community for Bush's 16 word mistake.

The Intelligence Community failed to authenticate in a timely fashion transparently forged documents purporting to show that Iraq had attempted to procure uranium from Niger.

This is basically true, since the CIA didn't yet have copies of the documents in question, but they had sent Joe Wilson to Niger to investigate and he had found that there was no "there" there. Besides the NIE did include a http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB129/nie_judgments.pdf#page=4">a lengthy dissent from the State & Energy Depts about the viabiilty of aluminum tubing for use in a centerfuge.

Contrary to her claims Sec Rice has not addressed all of Waxman's questions...

In my March I2 letter, l requested information about what you knew about this assertion and how it ended up in the State of the Union address. I asked you to answer specific questions raised in a June 10, 2003, letter and a July 29,2003, letter, both of which I enclosed. These questions included: (1) whether you had any knowledge that would explain why President Bush cited forged evidence about Iraq’s efforts to procure uranium from Niger in the State of the Union address; (2) whether you knew before the State of the Union address of the doubts raised by the CIA and the State Department about the veracity of the Niger claim; (3) whether there was a factual basis for your reference in a January 23,2003, op-ed to "Iraq’s efforts to get uranium from abroad"; and (4) whether you took appropriate steps to investigate how the Niger claim ended up in the State of the Union address after it was revealed to be fraudulent.

He has sent her a total of 16 letters, most of which she has blown-off.

According to Committee records, you have satisfactorily responded to only five of those 16 letters.

Now she's been put under subpoena and she's going to blow that off too.

Rice apparently feels that a) She's already answered the question and/or b) She prefers to answer them on TV, but not in front of the House Oversight Commitee.

Stephanopolous: Why not Testify?

Rice: It's a seperation of powers issue. I was in the White House, and it's up to the White House Counsel's Office.

Stephanopolous: Waxman intends to site you for Contempt of Congress

Rice (and Hadley's) problem here is that George Tenet didn't just send a single memo about the Niger issue. He sent several, as well as phone calls. From the Washington Post via Common Dreams.

The officials made the disclosure hours after they were alerted by the CIA to the existence of a memo sent to 's deputy national security adviser, Stephen J. Hadley, on Oct. 6. The White House said Bush's chief speechwriter, Michael Gerson, on Friday night discovered another memo from the CIA, dated Oct. 5, also expressing doubts about the Africa claims.

Hadley, who also received a phone call from CIA Director George J. Tenet before the president's Oct. 7 speech asking that the Africa allegation be removed, took the blame for allowing the charge to be revived in the State of the Union address. "I should have recalled . . . that there was controversy associated with the uranium issue," he said

Shortly after Friday's briefing, (Dan Bartlett) and Hadley said yesterday, Gerson discovered the first of two CIA memos to the White House from last October. The CIA memo, dated Oct. 5 and addressed to Gerson, Hadley and others, objected to a sentence that the White House included in a draft of Bush's upcoming speech, saying 's "regime has been caught attempting to purchase" uranium in Africa. The officials did not release the memo but said the uranium information was on Page 3 of a four-page document.

Oh, it was all the way back on Page 3? So you guys only read the cliff notes of your memos from the CIA now?

Two memos and a call directly from the Director of Central Intelligence himself - and they just plain forgot? No wonder she doesn't want to go under oath with that stinker of a story. The "I was just too busy" defense didn't work for Scooter and it doesn't work here.

Instead Rice intends to play chicken with the Congress, which could get very interesting indeed. As Kagro X has mentioned, there have been occasions when the Attorney Generals' Office has declined to prosecute a Contempt of Congress Charge against an Administration official, but that isn't the last card they have to play.

Just as John Murtha brought up today during his appearance on Face the Nation in regards to influencing the President - they also have the option of Impeachment, if the Alberto Gonzales hand-picked lapdogs decide not to Prosecute Secretary Rice for the pure and utter Contempt she's shown the Congress and the American people with this cock and bull story of her's.

The simple fact is that she failed to respond to genuinely urgent warnings about Al Qaeda and then ignored evidence that Saddam Hussein wasn't any kind of imminent threat to the U.S. Even the NIE, incomplete though it was, still stated that "he was unlike to use WMD's Unless he was provoked."

So of course, we provoked him didn't we! The body count for the blunder of ignoring what the weapons inspectors were actually saying ("The U.S. Intel is Garbage") has risen to over 3,300 for Americans and hundreds of thousands for Iraqis, not to mention those who've been permenently wounded by this war - and were lost on 9-11.

It's high time someone was held accountable for the fact that the Bush Administration was completely asleep at the switch on 9-11 and the total FusterCluck we're made out of Iraq, and Rice is as good a person to start with as anyone.

Indict, Impeach, Remove - then Rinse and Repeat.

Vyan

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 03:30 PM
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1. How long will Congress wait to issue an arrest warrant for Kindasleazy?
She has said that she will not appear before Congress, when will they throw her ass in jail?
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 03:31 PM
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2. I'm guessing NEVER.
Seriously, if it hasn't happened yet, why should
I believe it ever will?
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 07:39 PM
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11. She's both a regular criminal, and a war criminal. Quite an achievement.
She should be held in contempt of Congress about the subpoena, and she deserves the contempt of humanity for her war crimes, beginning with her major part in this fraudulent, illegal and immoral war.
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ihelpu2see Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 01:40 PM
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18. excellent post, yes she should be held in contempt of congress nt
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 03:41 PM
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3. That's a great recap...what a stroll down the nightmare of Memory Lane! NT
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 03:56 PM
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4. Excellent read, vyan!
Thanks!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:03 AM
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16. Yes, excellent read nt
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 03:57 PM
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5. GOOD. Now watch her squirm.
I've read that when she's lying, CondaLiar turns her head from left to right in a 'no' fashion, just when she's lyin' (which is whenever she opens her mouth).

Also, I've heard she tilts her head down, and turns her eyes upwards, so the whites of her eyes show (which is considered weird).

But what do I know? I got rid of my TV when darling Bush came into our lives.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 04:18 PM
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6. Does it matter to anyone that more Iraqi's have been slaughtered, maimed, poisoned (DU),
and displaced over the past 4 years that were ever under Saddam. . .? Oh but we don't count Iraqi casualties. I couldn't "recall that." (pshaw)

No I don't think he was a good guy. He was a monster we fostered into being by us and in the end days, he was writing romance novels and musicals. His atrocities mostly occurred when he was our ally.

Yikes I'm so sick of this BS.

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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 04:26 PM
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7. Bush has a secret deal with Parker Bros to print an unlimited amount of get out of jail free cards
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 04:38 PM
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8. Will Waxman follow through?
I have a hunch that he will. Ms Rice will appear before his Hearing in a few weeks.

She can lie on TV without consequence but not to Congress.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 10:15 PM
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14. We best encourage Henry Waxman to stay away from small planes
and have his staff take "great care" with regard to opening his mail. :scared:
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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 04:55 PM
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9. Arrest Condi (the Senate has the power -- says so right here on senate.gov)
Edited on Sun Apr-29-07 04:56 PM by StefanX
If she defies the subpoena and Gonzales won't have her arrested, the Senate itself can arrest her and drag her in to testify.

More info here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x764094
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 05:10 PM
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10. Aw, georgie, it will be MOST unfortunate and embarrassing when you
find out your backstage girl has been arrested for Contempt of Congress. Who will "service" you now? Which nanny will change your nappies now?

I hope they do. She is perhaps THE MOST INCOMPETENT cretin ever to walk in Ferragamos, and she's obviously spent WAY too much time reading and re-reading her own PR. An embarrassment to us principled fashionistas everywhere.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 08:12 PM
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12. Condi just flipped the bird to the Congress of the United States...
...and We the People.

If this arrogance is allowed to stand, we truly have lost the country!

How many of these criminals are going to be able to plead loss of memory in the face of documented evidence and personal testimony from people who do have a few functioning neurons and were *there* at various meetings claimed never to have happened!?!
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 09:29 PM
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13. Excellent post! Bookmark this one for sure... K&R
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 08:58 AM
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15. Outstanding piece! So many crimes, so little time! "We're better off without Saddam"
I can't believe she's still trotting this old joke of a talking point!
I can't watch propaganda shows in the morning - so I doubly appreciate your effort and tying in the new lies to the old - going back to the first gulf war. Bookmarked!
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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 01:18 PM
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17. Bushco unraveling like a cheap sweater does my heart good.....
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:21 PM
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19. Rokken!!! K*R She has some 'splainin to do!
"Yeah, Life Sure can be a Bitch when you're a Gangsta! eh, Condi?" Well put!

Bookmarked (my highest recommendation;)
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:32 PM
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20. Great Post Vyan ...
Excellent synopsis ....

One thing that needs to be pointed out: Many if not most of those in those mass graves are Iranian soldiers from the Iran-Iraq war, which a GOP administration helped to kill as they supported their buddy, Saddam Hussein ....

Superb post .... K&R

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