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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-28-07 11:48 PM Original message |
Florida again: House OKs bill requiring waiting time, ultrasound before abortions |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-28-07 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. Don't they see how they demean women? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 12:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. And our 3 leading candidates are going to the forum by one who supports the SC decision |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. The fundies never care about the poor, the Iraqi dead, etc |
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MountainLaurel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 08:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. Do you think they care about demeaning women? |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
4. Waiting periods for abortions, but not for guns. |
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Kool Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 12:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Bravo, baldguy. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 08:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
63. Gun control advocates and anti-abortion people have a lot in common |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 01:18 AM Response to Reply #63 |
73. Abortions DON'T KILL people |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 09:06 AM Response to Reply #73 |
83. Whether abortions kill people or not is a matter of personal opinion |
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fuzzyball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
6. Support Life! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Well, good for you....nice to know you get to pick for all women. |
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fuzzyball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 01:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. I am eternally grateful to my mother for not aborting me! |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #15 |
46. if your mother had aborted you, you wouldn't know it! n/t |
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fuzzyball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. May be, but a magnificent life and family I am blessed with would |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
69. self-delete n/t |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 12:42 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. good for you |
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Gloria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 12:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. If they've made up their mind, they are getting hassled, not being given |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 09:02 AM Response to Reply #11 |
64. The one that really scares me is Cialis |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 12:46 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. I do not understand your position |
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fuzzyball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 01:51 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Because you have to weigh the aftermath on a rape victims life |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 01:57 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. you can be against anything you want |
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fuzzyball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 12:09 AM Response to Reply #17 |
30. A murder is NOT a personal matter in a civilized world!! |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #30 |
39. So who should be thrown in jail for murder? |
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fuzzyball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 11:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Late term abortion should be investigated same as any murder.. |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 06:14 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. I could see your point, if it was true |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
70. self-delete n/t |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
43. well abortion is not murder... civilized world or not.... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 01:20 AM Response to Reply #30 |
74. The definition of murder is |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 07:13 AM Response to Reply #74 |
82. Ha! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #74 |
85. My state's definition of murder is a little different |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 02:38 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. So you decide the worthy "aftermath"? |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 04:45 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. EXCELLENT, sandnsea |
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fuzzyball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 12:07 AM Response to Reply #18 |
29. I just don't relish the idea of killing even a potential human being |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 01:59 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. All women are serial murderers then |
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fuzzyball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 12:13 AM Response to Reply #31 |
50. You are completely missing my point... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 12:27 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Nobody does that |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 01:23 AM Response to Reply #53 |
75. I'm afraid our friend fuzzy |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 09:12 AM Response to Reply #75 |
84. Looks like our friend fuzzy has been tombstoned! |
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colinmom71 (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 02:17 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Because that doesn't happen.... |
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fuzzyball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #32 |
51. But there are people who want abortion to be legal AT ANY STAGE |
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colinmom71 (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 04:04 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. The majority of maternal health issues do not render her incapable of caring for her child... |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 07:06 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Thank-you for sharing your very personal story |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 01:29 AM Response to Reply #51 |
76. ABORTION ALREADY IS legal at any stage |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Well that's nice, especially since you'll never be faced with that decision |
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fuzzyball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 12:24 AM Response to Reply #36 |
52. Except there are 3 females in my own family who could face |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 06:15 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. You will never face the decision, period |
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avrdream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 02:53 AM Response to Reply #6 |
19. Be very careful before you make that generalization. |
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colinmom71 (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Well, I can address two of those questions... |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
37. And a fetus that was the result of rape or incest doesn't feel pain, |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 01:34 AM Response to Reply #37 |
77. "abortion is only allowed if the woman didn't have consensual sex." Exactly |
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JetCityLiberal (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
41. It is NONE of your business |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
45. how exactly does a fetus feel joy? |
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Gloria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
8. Who would pay for the ultrasound???? If YOU had to pay it and didn't have the $$, |
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colinmom71 (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #8 |
26. Actually most clinics already do perform ultrasounds... |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 08:19 AM Response to Reply #26 |
61. But ultrasounds are not risk free and it is still a medical procedure. So a legislature has no |
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MLFerrell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
9. Well, on the surface, I don't have a problem with THIS part of the bill... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 01:07 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. What if the timeline is crucial? |
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MLFerrell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 11:00 AM Response to Reply #13 |
23. I would certainly make an exception in cases where the need was imminent. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 08:22 AM Response to Reply #23 |
62. Not good enough because then doctors are in the position of being second guessed by prosecutors. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 01:36 AM Response to Reply #23 |
78. I reiterate the previous question |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 01:54 AM Response to Reply #9 |
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avrdream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 02:57 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Like it appears to be destroying you, mate. |
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MLFerrell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. "Hate will destroy you from inside!!" |
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colinmom71 (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #9 |
27. I have a problem with waiting periods.... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 06:46 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Waiting periods can cause real-life difficulty. |
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JetCityLiberal (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
42. I will tell you too |
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Kool Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. JetCityLiberal, |
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JetCityLiberal (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. I have been busy in the Choice Forums today |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 09:11 AM Response to Reply #42 |
65. I love you Paul! |
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Pugee (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
22. A very interesting blog/table that compares anti-choicers talking points |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 10:15 AM Response to Reply #22 |
38. Thanks for the link. nt |
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RapidCreek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 02:30 AM Response to Original message |
33. I have an idea |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
35. this is incredibly manipulative |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Exactly |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 07:09 AM Response to Original message |
58. I am good with a waiting period |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 08:16 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. It could be a lot if a doctor thinks it is medically necessary to do it right now. |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. That's a minor issue |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 10:56 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Not really. We are not always dealing with sensible people, There have been |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 01:39 AM Response to Reply #58 |
79. Well |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 06:54 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Oh boy... |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
59. Since when did legislators become medical practitioners? Ordering an ultrasound is a medical |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. "Are the legislators going to appropriate funds to pay for these procedures?" |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
66. Let the guilt tripping begin! |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
72. They require waiting time and utrasounds for voting, too. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 01:42 AM Response to Reply #72 |
80. ??? |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #80 |
86. I am sure "glad". Downy for the "panties"? |
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