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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:32 PM
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I need help from DU'ers on this e-mail I received
I know I'm new here, but I have been receiving e-mails from a republican friend(?) for quite a while who is trying, in her words, "to show me the light". I know what the light is, which is why I'm here at DU. I need to know how to refute her most recent e-mail item by item. Can you help? Mods, since this is my first actual thread, if I do something wrong, please let me know. Thanks :-)

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http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20383

The article in it's entirety.

Obstructionist Democrats / Rep. Duncan Hunter

While they wrangle over the terms of their surrender legislation, the Democrat leadership has sent the worst of messages to the world. Speaker Pelosi struck the first wedge into what should be a united American foreign policy on Iraq by introducing a defense bill, which would effectively move the position of Commander in Chief to the U.S. Congress. Along with timetables for withdrawal from Iraq, the Pelosi bill, on page 72, mandates a 15 day waiting period before an American unit can be moved into the Iraq war theater. This incredibly obstructive provision would have profound negative effects on our forces’ abilities to fight. For example, should US hostages be taken and a Delta Force team moved from outside the theater to attempt a rescue, Pelosi’s provision would require a fifteen-day waiting period and a report to Congress before the rescue could be attempted. Should a Zarqawi level target be located and U.S. fighter aircraft be deployed from outside Iraq, the same fifteen days would elapse before a strike could be executed. The very nature of the “notice and wait” requirement illustrates how unfamiliar Democrats are with the war against terrorists. This is a new era involving rapid movement of specialized personnel and equipment across theater boundaries. “Notice and wait for two weeks” reflects an ultimate misunderstanding of U.S. military operations.

Democrats, in defending the Pelosi requirement, state that their concern is readiness of our military forces and that the President’s certification of ”full mission capability” and Congress’ fifteen day review of said certification is simply assertion of normal congressional oversight responsibilities. This position should be rejected for several reasons. First, such micro management can never work in a congress, which takes weeks to tee up a hearing. Second, readiness levels are a complicated thing, often unreflective of real military capability. For example, if an infantry company does not have its flu shots, it will be rated as “unready.” In the world of speaker Pelosi, this may justify non-deployment, but to a soldier engaged in combat and awaiting reinforcements, the message that the speaker is worried that the re-enforcements will catch the flu and will have to “stay home from school” until they get their shots is hardly inspiring. All this reflects the wisdom of the Constitution’s reserving Commander in Chief responsibilities for the single leader elected by the entire nation. Even the Washington Post noted the obvious intrusion of the Pelosi bill on the President’s powers.

Senate leader Reid quickly followed Speaker Pelosi with his own mis-guided “missile,” in announcing that the U.S. had “lost” the war in Iraq. Just as Speaker Pelosi had surprised the Israelis by becoming their ambassador to Syria without portfolio, Senator Reid’s comments must have been a surprise to some. Consider, for example what effect they might have on an Al-Qaeda leader in Anbar Province. As he sits in his safe house outside Fallujah, the bad news has been coming in. His assassinations of Sunni Tribal leaders have turned the region against him. Sunnis are joining the Iraqi Army in Anbar Province in unprecedented numbers. The Sunni led national police force is working with the Shiite led Army and the U.S. Marine Corps to push back against Al-Qaeda. The terrorist leader is interrupted from his “bad news” briefings by ecstatic aides. “Senator Reid has surrendered,” they shriek. “He says the U.S. has lost the war.” The Al-Qaeda leader asks the aides if they are joking, and, assured they are not, turns to the task of redoubling his efforts. This statement can only have the effect of encouraging the enemy in Iraq.

Beyond its damaging effect, Senator Reid’s statement also reflects total misunderstanding of the situation in Iraq. Occupations of foreign nations have always been difficult. They wear on two parties: the occupier and the occupied. The bunch of books that have been written on the U.S. operation in Iraq, all critical, have one thing in common: a long laundry lists of U.S. “mistakes”

Is the implication that a “smooth road” to occupation existed? In reality, such a smooth road is never attainable given circumstances like Iraq. For those who recommended that Saddam Hussein’s army be kept intact a brief chuckle should be reserved. This army contained 11,000 (yes, eleven thousand) Sunni generals. An Army thus comprised and charged with stabilizing and defending a predominately Shiite nation would only have created a mess. For those who recommended that the U.S. force be vastly increased early in the occupation, two points come to mind. First, where were you when Commander in Chief Bill Clinton reduced his Army to ten divisions (from fourteen divisions in 1992)? Second, how does an increased American force mesh with a goal of liberal senators to “put an Iraqi face” on the security apparatus?

Today we are in the second phase of the American blueprint for expanding freedom. A government, elected by its people, has been stood up. It is clumsy as most new governments are, but it is generally representative of the political will of the Iraqi people. The U.S. military is now in the process of standing up an Iraqi military capable of protecting the government. The Iraqi Army consists of 129 battalions. It is critical that the force be battle-hardened in an expeditious fashion. Military forces gain competence most rapidly through military operations. Each Iraqi battalion that has not undertaken extensive operations should be deployed for three to four months in a contentious zone of the Iraq battle space. They should be assigned a mission which will allow the command to exercise logistics and its chain of command and to demonstrate its combat effectiveness. These operations will impart to the Iraqi forces the quality most important to a successful turnover of security…military reliability. The Iraqi government and the U.S. military should ensure that trainers and support forces are available for the newly deployed battalions.

Once reliability is established in the Iraqi military, they will be capable of rotating into the battlefield throughout Iraq, displacing U.S. combat forces, which can be returned to the United States or further assigned to Central Command. U.S. success in Iraq will ultimately be measured like a cancer operation. If a dictator more lethal to U.S. interests than Saddam Hussein assumes power over the next decade, the mission will be considered a failure. If the new nation retains a modicum of freedom and a benign relationship with the U.S., the operation will amount to an unprecedented success in the most difficult region of the new era.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:40 PM
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1. Just block your friend - she can't be saved.
Take a deep breath.

Take another.

Now, don't you feel better?
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:45 PM
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2. I don't think she can
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:45 PM
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3. Hon,
I'm just going to quote a 17-year career Marine who came back from the front line and who quickly and absolutely refutes all of the punditry in your friend's email.

"Those people are tribal. They understand only the concept of the baddest dude on the block running things. This fight has been going on since before Our Lord Jesus Christ was born. They do not want us there, they don't give a damn about democracy, and we are wasting our time and killing our kids."

Tell your friend (who I doubt has been in Iraq) to refute that.
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:55 PM
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5. Thanks :)
I don't know anyone who's been there but the insight is wonderful.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:48 PM
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4. Send her this...
And ask her to explain it to you...

Oil minister says contracts should be done through central government
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/04/26/africa/ME-GEN-Iraq-Oil.php
The Associated Press
Thursday, April 26, 2007
BAGHDAD: Iraq's oil minister warned Thursday that international oil companies should not sign contracts that bypass the central government and the Oil Ministry, a clear warning against deals with the Kurdistan regional administration, Dow Jones Newswires reported.

"Foreign companies shouldn't sign any contract that isn't through the federal government and the Oil Ministry," Hussain al-Shahristani said in a statement. "Any contract that is signed without the knowledge of the federal government is illegal."

The decision is likely to anger officials in the autonomous Kurdish region who have signed deals with several international companies including Norway's DNO.

"The ministry warns companies against violating the Iraqi laws and they would be responsible of such behavior," the minister said.

The flap could delay enactment of the new law to manage Iraq's oil wealth, which is pending in parliament. The draft allows the Kurds to sign contracts subject to review by central government authorities.

The speaker of Kurdistan's parliament, Adnan al-Mufti, said oil deals already signed by the Kurdish administration are legal under the Iraqi constitution.

"I am surprised by the Oil Ministry's statement because it comes at a time when discussions are going on," al-Mufti said in an interview with Al-Arabiya television. "The matter is subjected to discussion and agreement since the oil law, that was approved by the government, is a law that was discussed for many months."
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/04/26/africa/ME-GEN-Iraq-Oil.php
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:07 PM
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6. Tell her Duncan Hunter is gay.
That'll make her head spin a while...
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:39 PM
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9. LOL that it would
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:14 PM
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7. Send an email
back to your friend telling her that tomorrow is "National Impeachment Day" and you haven't had time to read her email because you are preparing to take to the streets.
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some guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:16 PM
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8. it's rubbish
I started to read the article and got this far:
" While they wrangle over the terms of their surrender legislation, the Democrat leadership..."

Anyone in this country who can not properly identify one of it's two major political parties (the Democratic party), is too damned ignorant to have their opinion on anything even given any consideration.
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:41 PM
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10. 4:00 a.m. comes early. I have to work tomorrow
But I'll be checking the thread in the morning.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:50 PM
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11. First of all, check out the link!
It's a wingnut website, of course they're partisan and desperate!

I get a lot of these from "friends" and I usually just sweetly reply "stop sending me this sh*t". Especially if it's sent out to a e-list, I hit Reply All too :D

Welcome to DU :hi:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:53 PM
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12. tell your friend you'll get back to her after Hunter is indicted on his Duke Cunningham
like problems.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 10:35 PM
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13. He might tell her that he has it on good authority (the DU) that
Duncan's name is in the little black book - the one that snagged a Deputy State Department head today.

Actually, I am only half joking. We should probably start a list of who is going to be in Madam's book.

1) Peter Goss
2) Jim Inhofe
3) John Fund
4) Cong. Lewis
5) Cong. J.D. Hay whatever
6) Scalia

This would be easier if I knew whether or not you could provide young males ...
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 10:53 PM
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14. Don't get pulled into a blow by blow rebuttal.
This kind of crap will tie you up in knots. If you really can't bring yourself
to ignore this stuff, and politely ask your friend to refrain from sending it,
then go for the meat:

Start with the title and simply say you disagree with the assumption that
Democrats are "obstructionists". That implies there is only one way to view things, one way to do things. Our government, until the Bushies took over, pretended to be a democracy. Name-calling does not advance the cause of democracy. Period. Tell your friend when she's ready to send you something
that doesn't insult you, you'll be happy to take a look at it.
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:38 AM
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15. good point
That's what I've done
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dave_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 06:21 AM
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16. thoughts
"Surrender"
No, the US was surrendered to the dictates of a handful of grasping, corrupt hawks the moment the war against the 911 culprits was perverted into an unrelated war in Iraq. Where's bin Laden? "I'm not that concerned"? "Not worth it"? Who surrendered?

US hostages
If 130,000 troops don't contain enough to deal with such a "surprise", something's more wrong up top than we could possibly imagine. Captures happen in war. Unprepared for it = unfit for designated function = Get this Administration out.

Lost war treason
Of course it's lost. America's alleged public enemy #1 Iran is now immeasurably stronger, with no coherent US strategy available to contain it; Iraq's in ruins; the US army can't recruit or respond to real security threats. It's lost. Only America-haters would try to lure the nation into more doomed failures by claiming otherwise. What's wrong with these people? Have they no patriotism?

Mmm... smooth...
No, a "smooth road" never existed. Where is the smooth road to the destruction of a nation? Maybe this is it? If so, I'd hate to see the hard road.

The "second phase of the American blueprint for expanding freedom"
What, we missed phase 1? There's no government worthy of the name standing up, it's too busy sheltering from attack. How is invasion and military occupation "freedom"? If US-style democracy is meant, where is it? A brittle regime reliant on sectarian death-squads? A shipped-in political elite unworthy of the name? it took the US 80 years to evolve its present parties and a century longer to enfranchise (nearly) all its people. Democracy doesn't come at gunpoint.

"If a dictator more lethal to U.S. interests than Saddam Hussein assumes power over the next decade, the mission will be considered a failure." Funny, Iraq wasn't considered a failure when the US was backing "my good friend Saddam Hussein", as Rumsfeld called him in 1984. How was Saddam "lethal" to US interests? This war was conceived and executed as a failure. That's its only success.
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