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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:50 PM
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ABC News said tonight in their poll that
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 06:50 PM by Ilsa
Kerry outpolls Bush 51 to 43%

Only 48% think the war in Iraq was worth fighting

Some percentage (forty-something?) think the Bush Admin exaggerated about the need to go to war, while 21% think the Admin outright LIED about Iraq

No links yet.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:51 PM
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1. Bush: "Ouch"
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:51 PM
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2. saw that
its too bad they sold on on the AWOL issue. The basically said that the dental records prove he wasn't AWOL
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:53 PM
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3. Yep.
I heard them say that the dental records and pay stubs "prove" he was in Alabama at the time.
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:01 PM
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8. Gee...and I thought dental records...
were used to identify a body when there wasn't any other way to do so...oh, yeah, right...
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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:44 PM
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17. I guess it more likely shows that he took money he didn't earn...
and from the federal government. Is theft a crime?
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:54 PM
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4. He did show up to get his teeth cleaned.
I guess that's Bush's version of hazardous duty. The dentist is SO SCARY!! :scared:
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:56 PM
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5. Here's the link:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/US/bush_public_approval_poll_040212.html

:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:57 PM
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6. This Is A Good Omen, Ma'am
These numbers will fluctuate wildly in the coming months, but they represent a sort of base-line "first impression" among the people at the start of the contest, before much attention has yet been paid. For better or worse, people usually stick by their first impressions.

LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:59 PM
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7. Bush camp must be unhappy
If they can't stop this trend which has begun since last year and was temporarily alleviated by Saddam capture, Bush is going to lose badly.

They better pull out an Osama capture soon to have a chance, or bye bye Bush.
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:02 PM
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9. Oh good! Then they can...
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 07:04 PM by DAGDA56
...identify Osama's body with dental records...(edit to change Sadaam to Osama...the propaganda must be working on me!)
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:03 PM
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23. The Saddam capture didn't even give him all that much of a bump.
And what bump there was - was fleeting. I just hope to God that Kerry-had-an-affair crap from Matt (Hatter) Drudge doesn't poke too many holes in this. You never know what the average person's gonna make of it. A lot of 'em tend to trust these shit-purveyors blindly.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:05 PM
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10. NO WONDER Drudge is so desperate
to bring down our frontrunner!!
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brokensymmetry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:07 PM
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11. I'm surprised!
No, really! Given a good candidate like Senator Kerry, versus someone who says that outsourcing US jobs is a good idea, I can't imagine who the 43% would come from!

All Future President Kerry has to do is just replay (frequently) what the pResident says about jobs and we'll win all 50 states. :-)
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:45 PM
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18. But Kerry remains adamant for NAFTA, WTO, etc.
which accelerates the outsourcing of jobs. Just gotta "tweak" them a little bit.

You were saying?
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brokensymmetry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:01 PM
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19. As I was saying
Yes, I understand about Kerry's support of some programs I'm not thrilled with.

It may be that we're in the same boat as those hapless countries that come come under IMF control. Remember that foreigners own more than a trillion dollars of our debt. Recall that the dollar is down by 15% against a basket of currencies - and some sources contend it must decline another 20% to bring the trade deficit into some degree of balance.

I absolutely don't like NAFTA and the WTO. But if we pull the plug on them before we get our house in some semblance of order, things could get very unpleasant very quickly. Maybe the Senator is looking at things from that perspective. I'd like to think so.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:20 PM
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12. Bush's approval-disapproval rating also is just 50-47
And for anyone who follows polls, this is really bad for Bush because the WaPo/ABC polls ALWAYS have Bush about 5 points higher than everyone else, meaning he's probably in the mid-40s.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:26 PM
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13. But do you think things will get appreciably worse for Bush? Or is this
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 07:26 PM by AP
his nadir and will the media start rescuing him once the Democrats nominte an anti-Bush candidate?

The way to get those numbers even higher for the Dems is not to hope for worse things for Bush, but to put up a Dem who contrasts really well with Bush -- one who makes you think how wonderful Dems are, and not how bad Republicans are.

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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:32 PM
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14. I agree that our nominee needs to be more than the anti-Bush
I assume our Dem candidates understand that as well. As for Bush, I think he can drop lower, probably in the low 40s, as more of his soft support is stripped away.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:43 PM
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16. I say the thing that will strip away his support is if the Dems start
articulating clearly what they're all about.

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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:39 PM
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15. In the breakdown of the poll they point out two VERY important points
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 07:40 PM by Rowdyboy
1) Women support Kerry by a 17% margin; men are split 50/50.

2) Older voters prefer Kerry. 60% of them think the war in Iraq is a mistake.

Why are these important points?

1. Women vote in higher percentages than men and, statistically, there are more of them

2. Older voters vote in MUCH higher numbers than younger voters.

If these trends hold, things look potentially very good.

Bad news is that Kerry support is soft (only 59% firm) while Bush's is firm (83%)
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:35 PM
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20. Kerry's swing support is based on his resume and biography.
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 08:35 PM by stickdog
It won't survive as the Repuke media gleefully fills in the years since Kerry returned from Vietnam.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:44 PM
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21. Certainly, he'll lose some of it
And I am not a Kerry supporter. I am encouraged, though, to see the gender gap back and older voters returning to favoring Democrats. If these trends continue, the eventual nominee (whoever it is) will benefit.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:42 PM
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22. Kicking this (as a golden shower for the vultures)
Kerry 2004
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