If impeachment is begun against Bush will that thwart his efforts @ "veto withdrawal troops"?

[Maraya1969]

I can think of no better argument to start impeachment than the protection of our soldiers and the end to the slaughter of middle east by the US.

We are trying to end death and destruction. Isn't that the big reason? Would not Bush have a hard time vetoing withdrawal bills if he were under indictment?

Withdrawal will not embolden our enemies as Bush co. would like you to believe it will embolden the Democratic party and our Country for taking decisive and courageous effort to stop a genocide that is going on because of our actions. And impeachment seems to be the only way we can achieve this goal now.

WE CANNOT AFFORD TO WAIT UNTIL JANUARY 2009 TO STOP THIS WAR! At the rate we are going it will cause thousands of more unnecessary deaths. It is just not acceptable when we can do something to stop it.

And who in their right mind thinks Bush is not going to veto any bill that comes across his desk with a time table for withdrawal from now until the end of his term? That means war until at least January 2009. That is 20 MORE MONTHS OF WAR! Can someone calculate how many more deaths that is? How many more wounded? How many more mental breakdowns?

Trust me, the Bush Administration does not want us to withdraw because they are afraid things will get better in Iraq. This whole line of imminent danger if we withdrawal is the same shit they used to start the war. It was a lie then and it is a lie now. They want to continue this war until the end of the Bush presidency so the next administration has to deal with it. And the extra deaths that would ensue as a result? They don't give a rat's ass!

We have plenty of high crimes and misdemeanors with which to start an impeachment. The real reason we need to do it is for our solders and for the Iraqis.



If you agree can we send this message to Senator Pelosi, (or John Conyers or any of the numerous persons who can start this process)?

[rodeodance]

1. i have sent many letters----but will snail mail another

[onenote]

2. I'm curious ...why do you think it would change how chimpy operates?

I'm not saying chimpy hasn't committed acts warranting the effort to impeach him, just asking why starting the process now would impact what he does in the next few weeks. Particularly if impeachment lacks bi-partisan support, i don't see how it changes his behavior in the slightest

[luckyleftyme2]

3. what do you think

Is there any way this man can be reached? Is there any way he can be made to see his mistake? will he sink the country trying to prove he's right and the world is wrong?
DO YOU THINK ANY SUCCESSOR WILL BE ABLE TO GET A HANDLE ON THE MIDDLE EAST AFTER THE MESS HE,RUMSFELD CHENEY AND RICE HAVE MADE?

[onenote]

4. I don't think starting impeachment will prevent him from vetoing the funding bill

Is there any way he can be made to see his mistake? Not that I see. But he also has enough repub support to sustain a veto, which means he also has enough repub support to avoide conviction. Frankly, unless a number of repubs signalled that they would support impeachment, I'm not sure that the Democrats could even get articles of impeachment through the house. It would only take 16 Democrats to defect and given the number of blue dogs from right-leaning districts, that could be a real concern.

As for your last quesion, I can only hope the damage can eventually be repaired. I have my doubts in can occur in my lifetime.

[Maraya1969]

9. Well for one thing he is going to be spending a lot of time 'practicing"

his testimony in the hopes of trying to lie his way out of big troubles. That may put a hindrance on him planning more trouble.

The Pubs put a real hurting on Clinton's efficacy in office when he was impeached which was a shame for our country. But that was Bill Clinton. And this is George Bush. Tripping up george bush can only be a good thing INOP.

[TwilightGardener]

5. Pssst! Speaker of the House Pelosi, not Senator Pelosi. And you raise

good points--I would love to see the impeachment process started.

[elocs]

6. Speaker of the House Pelosi has said impeachment is off the table.

Why would that be? Probably because Speaker Pelosi knows how to count and clearly sees that there are not enough votes to convict in the Senate. I think that Bushco would ironically like to see impeachment because it would be the ultimate diversion from everything else they are doing and they don't have to worry about being convicted. Start impeachment and that is all the news will be about 24/7 and little else will be accomplished.

[TwilightGardener]

7. I know she said "off the table", but I believe that you don't impeach

(or start impeachment proceedings) for political reasons, or for conviction/removal reasons--although that would be nice. I believe the process should be started because it's the right thing to do, because of the crimes committed against our nation, the Iraqi people, and the Constitution by the Chimperor. It would be a circus--it wouldn't be desirable or productive for our country, and it's a shame that Clinton's impeachment seems to have blunted Chimpy from being impeached himself, but it should be done simply to uphold the standards of the office for future generations--what example does it set if Chimp's actions are allowed to stand without censure? If, God forbid, we get another GOPer in the WH anytime soon, can we trust that he will act with more respect for the office and for our nation's laws, if nothing was done with Chimpy? I don't think so.

[elocs]

8. It's kind of naive to believe that things in Washington are done for all of the

right, noble, and righteous reasons. The reality is that most everything is done for political reasons. In a perfect world that would not be so, but in a perfect world Bush would never have been elected. I think that Bushco would love the misdirection of impeachment because as it stands now there is no chance of conviction and he could go on his merry way with only 20 months left. There was no chance that Clinton would be convicted, but the Republicans proceeded anyways. Pelosi says impeachment is off the table, but not oversight hearings and investigations. Let this administration die of a thousand cuts.

[TwilightGardener]

11. I disagree--I can't believe Chimpy could go on his merry way if

articles of impeachment were being debated--let the nation see what this putz has been up to for the last six years, lay it all out on the table, and make the bastard sweat.

[Maraya1969]

10. SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE PELOSI!!!

:bounce: (thanks for reminding me)