They are so stunned that Hillary isn't the clear front runner with Obamma raising almost as much!!!!

[madmunchie]

Give me a break. With Obamma in for 11 weeks he nearly raised as much as Hillary. Maybe because we didn't all buy the crap that the media has been shoving down our throats for the last couple of years. Maybe because the Media thinks and puts out bullshit polls to coerce the public into doing what they want us to do. (Of course, they get their directions from other higher ups)

And then the big news is that Obamma did it with over 100,000 donors.....which translates into people that are desperate to choose their own candidate, not the DNC's choice, or the Banker's choice, or the Washington Establishment's choice. Well fancy that, somebody could actually rise up to be competitive to Hillary after just entering the race 11 weeks ago, without the political machinery that Hillary has, without the name recognition - Nationally - that Hillary has?????

I have steadily maintained that Hillary is no more the "real" front runner (unless we all live sleepwalking) than is Dennis Kucinich. (no offense to Dennis, because I really really like him) BUT nowhere and I mean NOWHERE do I see Hillary as the dominant overwhelming front runner for the Democrats. First of all she is to the Republicans, like a red cape is to a bull. Second, her views are more of a conservative moderate hawk, than a ...dirty word...Liberal. Most liberals on this board have a problem with her, most people that I meet have a problem with her. There is a huge difference between a person who has star power and a person who will be elected POTUS. Hillary is a highly capable person that I have/had respected for over a dozen or so years. I was a defender of her as a 1st Lady and as a Senator, but when it comes to POTUS possibility, I have to step back and really question what is going on here.

I for one expect Hillary to draw large crowds, for one thing Bill might be there, she is the ex-first lady and present NY Senator. BUT, she is a terrible speaker, disingenuous, hawkish and a woman, (although I do believe women are as capable, maybe even more capable then some men to be POTUS, so for her to be the obvious Democratic Nominee, to me, is not so obvious.

[NYCGirl]

1. The "DNC's choice"? Huh? NT

[AtomicKitten]

2. That's O-B-A-M-A.

Most Hillary supporters I know are thrilled it's a horse race.

:shrug:

This is going to be one long-ass primary ...

[madmunchie]

14. O.K. O.K., one M instead of two, so nice for you to point that out

[hedgehog]

35. Don't feel bad, the spell check has yet to recogonize Obama's name.

[hedgehog]

34. If most Hillary supporters you know are indeed thrilled it's a horse race,

I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I'd be happy to sell you, cheap.

[AtomicKitten]

97. most supporters of any candidate

I know are Democrats first and don't engage in the juvenile, pointless posturing in discussion of candidates that is prevalent here at DU. They applaud the great field of candidates we have and, yes, are absolutely thrilled that it is a horse race because they feel, as I do, that the competition will hone a better ultimate nominee.

And I'll pass on the bridge, thanks.

[NormanYorkstein]

3. When Obama had a fundraiser in NYC

It was $100 a head, and sold out in a day, they had to move it to a larger place which then sold out almost as quickly.

[Radical Activist]

23. delete

[NormanYorkstein]

62. Radical Activist, don't self delete!

say what you want to say!

[Danieljay]

4. Why do you hate Hillary? Curse you and your children!

Just kidding. Doesn't take much to be accused here of hating Hillary if you support someone else.

:sarcasm:

[Bucky]

6. Your sarcasm shows just what a Hillary hater you are!

[Danieljay]

18. I don't hate Hillary. Hell, I don't HATE anyone. I am annoyed however by her easily rattled

supporters here on DU.

Like the old prayer that says "God, protect me from your followers!"

"Hillary, please protect me from your supporters!"

Oh, and I am by no means equating Hillary with God so I won't join that crowd!

[Bucky]

22. I know. I was only teasing you about that. I think too many folks are thin skinned.

Sorry about the confusion. It was quite clear to me that you aren't prejudiced or knee-jerk in your opinions.

[Danieljay]

61. ah thanks. By the way, nice pencil. n/t

[Cascadian]

38. Yeah! How dare they hate Hillary! (sarcasm)

They are not in lockstep with the rest of the Democratic Party. Damn all those "Liberal Idiots"! They are just ruining everything aren't they? :sarcasm:


John

[MindMatter]

5. A friend posed a very interesting question

Maybe not original, but well worth pondering.

There will come a day when the US elects its first woman President. And there will come a day when the first black is elected president.

I don't know that 2008 will be the year for one of those. But it will happen. And when it happens, is the first woman President likely to be more like Hillary than the first black President is like Barack?

I have an opinion on that, but I'd like to hear others.

[hedda_foil]

7. The first black president will be like Barack.

Hopefully it will BE Barack ... because he is a once-in-a-generation candidate like Lindoln, TR, FDR, Jack Kennedy and (though I shudder to even think it) possibly Reagan. The first woman president will be more like Pelosi than Hillary who is not particularly magnetic in her own right. If Obama stumbles and Hillary wins the nomination, she might win the presidency because the Republicans are in such disarray but she's a very weak general election candidate imho because there's so much baggage weighing her down on both her right and her left. I don't see her as a breakthrough candidate capable of the fresh and creative approach that's needed to solve the intractable problems we face. Clintonian solutions aren't going to be good enough by half this time around because the real problems are so much more dire and immediate.

[Bucky]

8. That question doesn't even make sense. How do you even begin to quantify that?

The only way that question even works as a question is if you begin by buying into a lot of sexist and race-centric stereotypes.

Is the first woman President likely to be more like Hillary than the first black President is like Barack?

Is there some numerical index, some percentage value of "like Hillary" that women candidatse can be measured by? Can black politicians all be ranked by their relative Barackness on some device called an Obameter? Let's say the 2020 presidential election comes down to a race between Harold Ford Jr and JC Watts. Is your point served because Watts only rates a 3.7 for his Barackness? Ah, but Hal Ford blows the scale off the Obameter with an unheard of Barackness rating of 11.3--making himself even more Barackly that Barack himself!! Ah, but Watts will have a secret weapon that year, being 15% more Hillaresque than Ford.

To be less silly, let me ask "more like Hillary in what way?" and "more like Barack in what way?"

[MindMatter]

11. If you don't get the meaning of the question

then don't answer it.

Stated a different way, imaging a person capable of being elected the first woman President. How similar is Hillary to that mental image you have of the electable woman candidate?

Do the same for the first black President elected. How similar is Barack to your mental image of the electable black candidate?

[loyalsister]

19. Both

If the parameters of the question are left to demeanor and political capability.

They both defy stereotypes and expectations
Yet live up and excel beyond the higher expectations that we are developing with wisdom that has come with the advancements that have come with women's movement and civil rights movement.

[MindMatter]

32. That's not really how I see it.

It is easy to look at Hillary as a schemer, an opportunist. Her decision to run for Senator in NY, having no connection whatsoever with that state, really cements that stereotype. While people expect any politician to be something of an opportunist, I really don't think this is the way people will perceive the first woman they elect as President. I don't think there is any chance whatsoever that she could win the office. Every Republican hates her, and a lot of Democrats aren't very enthusiastic about here either. You can't get over 50% with that arithmetic.

Obama, on the other hand, seems EXACTLY like the kind of black man that could get elected. He doesn't come across like a Tom, but he also isn't scary to whites. While he is light on experience, that also means he comes on the scene with minimal baggage. That's the combination that would be necessary for the first black person to win the Presidency.

I never in a million years would have thought it possible that a black man could be elected President before a white woman, but I'm believing it now. This guy may be the luckiest man in the world. All the stars are lining up for him. After 8 years of Bush, America really doesn't want another Republican, and they don't want Hillary. It is as if he could fall into this thing by default.

I don't mean to minimize the effort that will be required to win it. It won't be handed to him, but it sure looks to me like he is in the right place at the right time.

[Radical Activist]

25. I've always thought

the first woman or black President was likely to be a Republican. The Republicans have the most to gain from reaching beyond their base and Democrats will be too scared about "electability" to nominate a woman or black person. I hope this election is going to prove me wrong.

[churchofreality]

70. It will be Hillary

And she will be just like Hillary.

[think4yourself]

9. I hear you!

So exciting. WE are driving this race. Not the MSM, DNC or polls. It's easy to rally behind someone who is in it for the right reasons. Having Hillary shoved down our throats is pissing everyone off. We want sincerity and potential. I would love to see Gore/Obama but any ticket with Obama is very appealing and totally American! Can't wait to work for him any way I can.

[zulchzulu]

10. 9 months, 7 days (as of this post) until the Iowa caucus

That's a long time politically. Anything can happen.

I would suggest not bashing Senator Clinton and find something positive to talk about your preferred candidate(s). It's better to do it that way than to just throw stones at her candidacy and her fans.

Get involved in grassroots efforts where you have to learn to talk about your candidate and their issues so that others may see your choice as one they could be comfortable with.

Try doing things this spring and summer where you talk to people in the street at events and perhaps see as many candidates in person if that's possible.

The race is going to get ugly and have all kinds of bumps in the road as the primary season nears. Let's not make it worse by just throwing stones. It's hard to do in these times.

[madmunchie]

16. I am not bashing Clinton, I am bashing the media and the powers

that be, who have been shoving her down our throats for the last couple of years or so. I am not a big fan of Hillary's anymore, but bashing is not what I am doing. Trying to squelch open honest conversation to make nice is what is precisely wrong with politics today.

[Punkingal]

12. They will be even more stunned,,,

When Edwards beats both of them.

[madmunchie]

21. Dream On!

Edwards got a bump when they announced that Elizabeth Edward's cancer returned, then maybe they will get another bump when Edwards talks about his son Wade's death on National T.V. when that gets him some more attention. That is the only thing that has moved the needle on Edwards who is pretty much been stagnant, even though he is about living in Iowa and the other early primary states, some of them for the last couple of years (more so than any other candidate).

He is not the answer to the mainstream establishment, or apparently most of the DU.

[BenDavid]

13. I believe you write from

things that were happening two weeks ago. The media now has centered on Obama and giving him the red carpet treatment....but one should stop just a moment and ask themselves, why are the right wing talk shows talking up Obama? Why all this media attention ( yes from the same media that has given bush a free ride for 6 years). Ponder those and let me state here and now, If Al Gore could not win his own state of Tenn. what makes you think Obama can win Tenn? If Harold Ford cannot win a Senate seat in Tenn because of last minute racist ads, how is Obama going to win Tenn? And finally,
who do you think the super-racist GOP wants to run against?

[madmunchie]

15. Tennessee is not critical as well as many other Southern States

That is just a scare tactic from the powers that be. Let the Right Wing Talk Shows talk up Obama, they talked up Hillary to. What of it?

As to your question they want to run against Hillary, that will energize their base like no one else AND most of those states that won't vote for Obama, won't vote for Hillary either. The super-racist GOP doesn't want a woman, any woman and one especially named Clinton.

[hedgehog]

24. Could it be the Harold Ford lost because he was Republican-Lite?

Who was it that said that given a choice between a Republican and an almost Republican, the Republican would win every time?

[Radical Activist]

Ford also did better than the last white Democratic candidate for Senate

in Tennessee. People keep forgetting to point that out.

[hedgehog]

28. That is very interesting, but you must have it wrong because

everyone knows that Ford lost because Tennessee is full of closet racists!

[paulk]

17. I haven't seen much difference between the MSM shoving

Hillary down our throats, or shoving Obama down our throats...

Oboma, a virtual unknown just two years ago, has certainly gotten more than his share of media buzz since the 2004 election.

Hillary running for President has always been the MSM wetdream - 1st woman to run who has a serious shot at it - and Obama is no less the perfect match for a ratings boost. A matchoff between a black man and a white woman - ratings heaven!

The money goes where the media is - and a race between Obama and Hillary is what the media wants. Have you ever looked at it that way?

[hedgehog]

26. Could it be that Obama is getting the media buzz simply because he attracts

large, eager crowds wherever he goes? Maybe raising almost as much as Hillary did is a big story.

[Radical Activist]

27. Or because Obama is good on TV,

attracts excitement, and had the natural skills needed for a candidate in the TV age.

[hedgehog]

29. But everyone knows the true test is how he sounds on the radio!

People who listened to the Nixon/Kennedy debates thought Nixon had done better, so Nixon should have won the election in 1960 because television doesn't count, or something like that.

[madmunchie]

57. We both could be right. As long as they both play well with the establishment

The establishment is not set in concrete, they can be persuaded to cast their lot with someone else to. It is just that it would be nice if THE PEOPLE chose the frontrunner and THEN the establishment went along.....We could only dream.



End Note: The media will always whore for ratings, and whoever fits the bill will get the attention.

[Javaman]

20. to early to tell, no doubt someone is going to flame out. who that is

is anyones guess at this point.

[Tellurian]

30. Hillary IS the frontrunner..

The polls aren't even.. they'd have to be to align with your OP.

Or are you just posting flamebait? hmmm.

[Radical Activist]

31. Just like Howard Dean

He had the most money and media coverage too. He also finished third in Iowa, just like Hillary will.

[Tellurian]

33. Hillary is not a physician... so, she is not anything like Howard Dean..

I like Howard Dean and Hillary. But of the two, Hillary is the more seasoned player.

you can only hope.

[Cascadian]

37. Had Dean not been railroaded, he would have given the Dems the WH.

Clearly, he was assassinated in character by the mainstream media and by certain DLC operatives. He would have sent Monkey Boy back to Crawford, Texas. I still believe that to this day.

The media LOVE Hillary and since she is playing it "safe", she won't be railroaded like Dean was.


John

[Tellurian]

40. Dean was victimized by a Rovian trick..

One of Rove's operatives handed Dean a microphone that should have modulated Dean's voice and buffered the background noise. The happening was in all the papers. Surprised you missed the details.

[Cascadian]

41. Maybe it was.

His whole demise did not smell right. He was definately stood up.


John

[Tellurian]

47. It was a Rovian ploy as I said..

portrayed by GOP operatives as "the angry Left".. with the looped scream replayed 24/7 to infinity.

[Radical Activist]

42. Dean would have moved back to the middle

which he was already doing before he lost Iowa. I doubt he would have won the election, but if he did, I suspect he would have governed as a moderate, just like he did as Governor, and he would have kept the Iraq war going for at least 3 more years, just like he said he would.
Dean was promoted constantly by the mainstream media before he lost Iowa. His loss was his own.

[Larkspur]

76. Dean didn't become the front runner until after Al Gore endorsed him

in December 2003. John Kerry was the front runner in the polls until Dean overtook him. Then Kerry mortgage his half of his Beacon Hills mansion to refuel his primary bid. It worked because he didn't have to fundraise in Iowa. He could just concentrate on campaigning. Dean had to do both and Dean also got in a negative battle with Kamikazee Gephardt that sunk Dean's campaign in Iowa.

[Cascadian]

39. Heaven willing only temporary n/t

And like I say, if there is a God, then Hillary will not get the nomination.


John

[Cascadian]

36. Hillary: The DLC's last great hope!

Like I said, if Hillary wins the nonimation, it will be from strong corporate backing and help from the very military/industrial complex that she is a part of. The DLC are really grasping for straws. Her nomination would be the DLC's last hurrah and another 4 years of ther Republicans in the White House.





John

[Tellurian]

43. Flame baiting your game, and not played very well.

I take it you'll be voting for Hillary in the general.

[Cascadian]

44. Always on the Hillary posts!

I have noticed you always seem to appear only in the posts concerning Hillary. So are you working for the campaign or what?


And what does it matter to you if I vote for Hillary or not? What makes you think she is getting the nomination? It's a long time from now anyway. Anything can happen between now and next year.



John

[Tellurian]

45. Why? Am I putting a crimp in your style because I challenge unfounded smears on Hillary?

No, unlike some representing other candidates, I am not a paid operative.

How about you?

[Cascadian]

46. What's wrong with telling the truth?

I am not afraid to speak my mind and if you cannot deal with my attacks on Hillary then that's too bad.


John

[Tellurian]

48. When you tell the Truth, is another matter..eh

and don't know whether you're a paid operative or not?

Or afraid to state it here?

[Cascadian]

49. If I am a paid operative.....

then who do you think I work for?


John

[Tellurian]

50. I don't care who you work for..

If you can't answer, thats fine.

[Cascadian]

51. In truth....I am not getting paid by anybody.

I simply question Hillary's run and her positions particular for a war that did not have to happen. That's the long ans short of it.


John

[Tellurian]

53. I can't rationalize singling Hillary out for her vote..

when the majority of Congress, including Kerry and Edwards voted similarly.

The debates will be the defining factor for many.

I have all the confidence in the world, Hillary will give a stellar performance.

[Cascadian]

55. At least Kerry admitted he made a mistake voting for Iraq n/t

[Tellurian]

66. Kerry did what he felt was appropriate..

unfortunately, I don't agree with his decision. There was no need for any Democrat to apologize for being misled by Bush to gain the support he needed to go to war. Bush LIED. I admire Hillary being the lone candidate who would not buckle or cave into an apology because of pressure from public opinion or following the line of other candidates. She is standing her ground as she will against a Republican nominee in the general.

[churchofreality]

72. How did that work out for him?

You want to lose again, asshat?

[madmunchie]

58. Yup, you and I are on the same page

[Imagevision]

52. When Hillary falls to position 2 or 3 I wouldn't be surprised, neither would countless millions...

Hillary isn't the great white hope,,,not by a long shot...

[Tellurian]

54. Hillary is the Great Democratic Hope..

[madmunchie]

59. Try telling the media that as well as the "Hillary" supporters, they don't

hear you

[Tellurian]

65. I don't "listen" to the msm media.

when polling results are released, it is a view, a snapshot, of public opinion at a particular time which are translated into historical numbers and percentages. Polling is a scientific view of public opinion. Why would I be interested in listening to msm talking heads trying to tell me how to think?

[madmunchie]

71. I like to use the MSM as information and temperature taking. I like

seeing the players in action and hear how they phrase their discussion. Reading sound bites from another media person isn't always accurate. I like to hear most things from the horse's mouth. Things are taking out of context a great deal of the time. Sometimes I read something from someone else on a blog or whatever, there happens to a video of it and then I'll watch it and get a totally different take..... but that is me, I trust MY eyes, MY ears, and MY brain, not someone else to spoon feed me the information.

Sometimes you can see into a person's soul by just watching them. And since I cannot travel all around the world to see the major players personally, I have to settle for MSM, Cable, Internet....and then try to figure it all out.

[Imagevision]

56. I challenge unfounded smears on Hillary? - Google Vince Foster & Hillary & Bill

You may be, enlightened?

[madmunchie]

60. Please, I was a Hillary defender and supporter, just not for the WH as POTUS

ESPECIALLY, when I was told almost daily by media types on T.V.....that Hillary was the frontrunner, when NOBODY ELSE HAD FORMALLY ENTERED THE FRICKIN RACE!!!!!!

I'm sorry, but that sent the alarm bells off in my head and I have been watching ever since. Politics is never clean, but I really get offended by others when I am TOLD that Hillary can win the General starting like 2 + years ago, when she wasn't even announcing her candidacy, Being sold the Iraq war - now being sold Hillary.....well sorry, but I didn't buy the sales job of Iraq, and I won't buy the sales job of Hillary.

[Tellurian]

64. Hillary IS the front runner..

maybe you have time and place problems, putting things into perspective, bells ringing where bells shouldn't be.
When Hillary isn't the front runner, I'll personally contact you to let you know.

[madmunchie]

67. And if you believe all of the polls to be so accurate, I have a bridge in

Brooklyn to sell you

[churchofreality]

75. Polls don't matter when you're guy is losing?

Thats a great strategy. Rove didn't believe the polls in november either and he lost the house and senate.

[madmunchie]

83. The "polls" two years ago were saying that Hillary was the frontrunner

#1 She hadn't announced her candidacy

AND

#2 Nobody else was running

So how legit were those polls?

[Tellurian]

77. The polls are more accurate..

than reading your assessments of whats what and less tiresome.

[madmunchie]

81. Then guess what? You don't have to read anything that I write!

So why are you?

[Tellurian]

63. Please that was debated and debunked years ago..

It was a RW Smear from the getgo all part of the VRW conspiracy "Hunting of the President" written by Conason and Lyons.

You can enlighten yourself by reading the book of the same name in quotes.

How much of a democrat are you, if you muckrake with the intent of smearing other democrats?

[madmunchie]

68. Hillary comes with a ton of baggae, you don't have to be a Republican

to realize that. Remember the Republicans accept their party and party leaders without discrimination, they accept whoever has an R by their name no matter what a disaster they are.....Bush is the best example of this. So "muckraking"
to you is reality based discussion to most Democratic Liberals. Debate is healthy and necessary for a Democracy to survive, trying to shut down opposing views is just a sign of weakness.

[Tellurian]

80. Sorry, I have no idea what baggae you speak of..

Hillary has been successfully vetted free of any illegal activity up one side and down the other. What other candidate has been scrutinized by 8 yrs of Republican investigations to the tune of $60+ million dollars spent to find something illegal or scandalous.. NOTHING, zero, zilch was ever found or ever able to be prosecuted. The "baggage' comment is an old RW talking point that you apparently have assimilated into your mainstream talking points via vaccination by msm media. Good job.

[madmunchie]

82. O.K. now Hillary is the Virgin Mary to you. Black and White

Good and Evil No humaness or gray areas for you huh?

[Tellurian]

85. No, it's black and white to you..

You used "baggage" as an excuse. I said, she has no baggage, not even carry-on stuff.

So, now you've changed the discourse to Virgin Mary... Good and Evil?

I fail to see your post as applicable to my response.

So, explain it to me.

[madmunchie]

99. I like your talking points to!

"The "baggage' comment is an old RW talking point that you apparently have assimilated into your mainstream talking points via vaccination by msm media. Good job."

Just because somebody doesn't love Hillary they are accused of being RW biased. Like you can't be Democrat and not like Hillary? Most of the far Left Dems DON'T like Hillary.

I don't care about the 8 years of RW investigations, I was a huge defender of the Clintons back then. I care about how this has all evolved and how with Clinton going for the WH, there will be 25+ years of 2 families running our country.

She is not electable, too many Democrats don't like her. Republicans hate her she will actually mobilize the Right to come out and vote to vote against her. The Independents will be up in the air. My personal feeling is that she will not get the majority of the Independents.

She voted for IWR and she still hasn't admitted that it was a mistake. I know it was a mistake and I knew that before we went to war. I don't see her as a genuine leader, I see her as a political leader. I don't support anybody that voted for the IWR and then took 4 years and still won't admit it was a mistake. Going into Iraq was a mistake. Why won't she admit to it?????? She's AFRAID to be seen as dovish, she doesn't want to be seen as weak. Heck, she is one smart woman, she is very experienced, probably more so than anybody else running BUT I don't trust her judgements and I don't trust her intentions. PERIOD

[churchofreality]

69. Hillary will mop the floor with Obama!!

Once they get into actual discourse and debates. He is in way over his head. She has so much more poise, command of the issues and experience. He seems way too cocky for his own good.

[madmunchie]

73. Hillary is the establishment's choice, you must be part of the establishment

Hillary doesn't do good speechs.....that is just a fact. I don't want the "establishment" and I want someone smart enough to know that going into Iraq was W R O N G and has enough integrity to admit it. Hillary doesn't.

[churchofreality]

79. You're saying she's not smart?

She is by far the smartest person in the race. She also (and Bill) knows more about politics than all of us put together. Her war vote means jack shit. I promise you if she gets elected she will end the war immediately. You think if she sowed her hand that the republicans wouldnt call her weak and anti-war and anti-troops? John Kerry apologized for his vote and it made no difference. She is playing the game, and winning.

[madmunchie]

100. If you trust people that are adept at "playing the game" than you

are a much more trusting person than I am. Good Luck.

[Tellurian]

84. Yet she has to be careful not to be aggressive in the debates..

If Hillary comes across as an aggressive female, she will lose in popularity. She has to strike the right balance of knowledge and presentation. It could be something as simple as one little factoid she points out as germaine to the issue, something of importance Obama isn't aware-of on a particular issue, because of his lack of research and inexperience. If she comes across as flattening him in the debate..it will affect her negatively in the polls. His inexperience is the target for the debate.

I myself have witnessed his preponderance of superficial statements. Ask him what has brought him to those conclusions or ask him to elaborate in detail, tell me how to remedy or improve the situation...is when he begins to flounder. Watching Obama on Letterman, he made a somewhat comfortable appearance. He almost blew it with the blowing smoke in Iraq comment. Letterman saved him. Obama's arguments are less than compelling because he hasn't done his homework to conceptualize and prove them realistically workable and present them as his own plans. If Obama uses Cliff notes, it won't fly with Hillary.

[churchofreality]

86. Good point.

If she is able to project her clear superiority of the substantive issues without being smug or pompous (like Al Gore in 2000) then she will take this thing easily. I really believe that once things get to the next level, the cream will rise to the top and there will be a groundswell of support. I think many people are afraid to back her because the right hates her so bad. But they will hate any candidate we put up, so why not put up the strongest one!!!!

[Tellurian]

88. Precisely my contention..the strongest candidate!!! That she is!

But they will hate any candidate we put up, so why not put up the strongest one!!!!

And why I fail to see the importance of the stumbling block used of her war vote, as reason for not voting for her. It's irrelevant to the matters at hand; ejecting the gang of criminals out of the WH and for the next 8 yrs., further demolish the people who brung them and have capitulated with them in terrorizing this country and the world.

[churchofreality]

91. By the way, are you involved with the campaign?

I'm trying to find out what I can do to help. I live in massachusetts which is obviously democratic, but our primary means jack shit.

[Tellurian]

93. Not as of yet, I'm not involved..

I live in Whitehouse/Reed country.. same thing here.

[Colobo]

96. You should be

I've never seen someone defend Hillary with such passion.

[Tellurian]

89. Another Obama observation..

Men always have the aptitude of being little boys or macho guys. I've seen Obama slip back and forth between these 2 modes almost instantly. She has to be aware of how he is presenting himself from moment to moment...the little boy (charismatic) or the macho guy (strong and protective) This is where Obama can be slippery. So, Hillary has to be acutely aware of which mode he's in at that particular point in time. It could vary from question to question. He plays the charisma card when he wants to be funny...then seamlessly switching gears to become the protector. The trick is not getting caught up in his gamesmanship. Cuz thats what it is..

[churchofreality]

90. I have faith. I think she has a sound strategy and contigency plans

This has been in the works for a long time. I think she will take it easy on Obama, let her surrogates soften him up and take him out politely and respectfully in the debates. I think she needs to be tougher with the GOP nominee, because she has a history of not backing down from their side. She was prescient with the "vast right wing conspiracy", everyone laugher her off, but she was proven right by the past 6 years.

[Tellurian]

92. Yes, I agree-

I think she will take it easy on Obama, let her surrogates soften him up and take him out politely and respectfully in the debates.

OB may be short on policy and plans but he's no babe in the woods. I'm sure Hillary will scope him out and have his strengths and weaknessess figured out within the first five minutes of the debate. I'm in for a $1 for every "Ah"...he says.

I think she needs to be tougher with the GOP nominee, because she has a history of not backing down from their side. She was prescient with the "vast right wing conspiracy", everyone laugher her off, but she was proven right by the past 6 years.

Give them no quarter. The more they whine, lash them again! Never let them forget the blood on their hands.

[churchofreality]

94. His canned speeches are great, but he does tend to stammer on the fly

I think most peoples exposure to him has been mostly limited to his oratory. When I have seen him on hardball or whatever in a back and forth, he does say "ah" alot and is not as impressive.

[Tellurian]

95. I read a brief quote from one of the speeches he gave over the wkend..

It was a lengthy paragraph filled with his background, beginnings and book.
Nothing relating to the people. His speech was disappointing and BORING.

[mtnsnake]

74. Is your MO to applaud Obama or to bash Hillary? I think it's obvious

that you can't be satisfied with simply celebrating how well Obama is doing with his fund raising without using it as an opportunity to bash the hell out of Clinton, who isn't doing so poorly, btw.

she is a terrible speaker, disingenuous, hawkish and a woman, (although I do believe women are as capable, maybe even more capable then some men to be POTUS

Wow

[madmunchie]

101. That is right, I am celebrating that the invincible Hillary was checked

by a newcomer of 11 weeks and all of the years of hearing the MSM say that Hillary's war chest, and Hillary's money is so far ahead of anybody else....were what I have said all along.....BS

I have been reading between the lines for years now and not buying the lines that the politicians and media have been giving us. This so proved my observation. The country is hungry for somebody other than the celebrated frontrunner and knowing that somebody can raise money that quickly and can get over 100,000 supporters donating gives me hope that our system isn't totally broke.

[churchofreality]

78. I love you "anti-establishment" people!!!

Would you rather have someone close to your beliefs who has some flaws? Or 8 more years of warmongering, thieving, greedy, corrupt, corporate loving incompetent assholes?

If we rally behind Hillary, we win. If democrats martyr themselves for their "principles" then we lose again.

[madmunchie]

102. Do you know who the "Establishment" is?

I don't want the "Establishment" to pick our leaders, I want the people of the United States of America to pick our leaders, don't you?

[legin]

87. Current bookie odds

hillary 7/4
McCain 4/1
Guiliani 4/1
Obama 5/1

Saw them recently at the ladbrokes site (sport then specials)
(The bookies are better than opinion polls I tend to take the view because they stand to lose lots of money if they are wrong)

At the moment hillary is still a shoe-in (maybe).

[Forkboy]

98. I'd go with them over any poll.