What would DU think of a Hillary Clinton/ Bill Clinton ticket?

[Immad2]

:shrug::popcorn:

[havocmom]

1. Think yer gonna need more popcorn

Anybody headed to COSTCO?

[Immad2]

13. Hehehe. I'm on my way to buy a HUMONGOUS bag of popcorn!

[benny05]

34. Great, pls get me some too

:hi:

[wtmusic]

2. Hillary/Monica '08 nt

[MaryBear]

3. Constitutional problem with this.

nm

[saracat]

4. It isn't possible. Bill has already served as President twice. He can't be in any position

that "might" elevate him to president. Did the poster mean repealing the 22 amendement?

[goddess40]

10. it just say 'shall not be elected'

"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once."

Twelfth Amendment, ratified in 1804, which provides that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
Some argue that the Twenty-second Amendment and Twelfth Amendment bar any two-term president from later serving as vice president as well as from succeeding to the presidency from any point in the United States Presidential line of succession. Others contend that while a two-term president is ineligible to be elected or appointed to the office of Vice President, he could succeed from a lower position in the line of succession which he is not excluded from holding. Others contend that the Twelfth Amendment concerns qualification for service, while the Twenty-second Amendment concerns qualifications for election. Neither theory has ever been tested, as no former president has ever sought the vice presidency, and thus, the courts have never had an opportunity to decide the question.

Which excludes him from being VP, which is fine by me, but I'd love to see him be Sec. of State and that is open for debate as far as I can see.

[Rwalsh]

50. Title 5, §3110 of the United States Code

says relatives of a President by blood or marriage can't be Vice Presidents or Cabinet Secretaries.

Sorry.


Edited for clarification and to cite source.

[TheWraith]

12. You're mostly correct, but there's potential exception for cabinet officials.

It is possible for people who are otherwise not eligible to be president (by reason of foreign birth, age, or other status) to be cabinet officials, including ones who are in the presidential line of succession. They're simply excluded from the line. Not advocating, just noting for anyone who may not. You're correct though that someone who's served two terms could not run for vice president.

[poorinnaples]

14. How so?

Sounds like he couldn't be elected to a third term, but he could serve as vice president, & even serve as president for a third term if Hillary had to, for some reason, yield the presidency to him.

Personally, I think they'd win in a landslide, & maybe it's the only way Hillary might be elected, in the first place. I'd love to see it go to the Supreme Court, after the fact, & let the court explain why they'd override the people's will, based simply on their opinion.

* * * *

Amendment XXII

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission to the states by the Congress.

[jobycom]

15. Actually, it might be possible.

The Constitution forbids him from being elected president again, but it does not forbid him from serving again. It forbids anyone who is ineligible "to be" president from being elected VP. Clinton is still eligible "to be" president, just not to be elected president.

It's not nearly as fine a point as the one that allowed Cheney to file residency in Wyoming.

Relevant passages: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once." (Notice, it says only "elected," it does not disqualify him from serving.)

"No person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

[patrice]

5. NO.

[Red Zelda]

6. That it was illegal

...since Bill can't be VP.

[youngdem]

7. Can't happen. They live in the same state

Cheney's unconstitutional office holding notwithstanding.

Would be cool to print up a bunch of bumper stickers and put em up all over the place next April Fool's Day....Be amusing to see how many Repukes they have to talk off of ledges.

[jobycom]

18. Not exactly accurate.

The Constitution doesn't forbid a president and VP from the same state, it only says that if they are from the same state, the electors from that state cannot be counted. Which means Bush and Cheney could not legally count the electoral votes from Texas, which is another way that Al Gore should have been legally appointed president.

Cheney's argument was very weak. He claimed he met the legal qualifications of residency in WYoming, so he could run. Technically, that's not true. The Constitution doesn't say he had to be a resident of another state, it said he could not be a resident of Texas. He met every resident qualification for Texas. He could have filed as a resident of Texas on election day for tax purposes, for instance. Therefore he was still a resident of Texas, and the electors shouldn't have been counted. When the history of this filthy era of American politics is written, Bush and Cheney will look bad for a number of reasons.

So, the Clintons (if they were dumb enough to try this) would have two options. Bill could file for residency in another state far enough in advance so that he would not be a resident of New York by election day, or they could win enough other states that the exclusion of New York's electors wouldn't matter (No, not easy, although remember that they wouldn't count for the Republicans, either, if the Clinton's won the state).

Just my overly-technical analysis. It would be a bad idea for a lot of reasons, though.

[youngdem]

33. Yes, Sorry. If the Clintons could run and win without New York, then it is possible

And I don't mind your overly technical explanation

:hi:

[mtnsnake]

8. self delete

It's already been mentioned that this would be illegal.

[movonne]

9. No more Clintons and no more bushes.....let get new blood in there,

[jobycom]

19. Technically, Hillary's blood would be Rodham, not Clinton.

And I refuse to side with the Republicans and judge a candidate by their spouse. That's just wrong in all ways. Whether I vote for Hillary or someone else will have nothing to do with the irrelevant coincidence of a name.

[orpupilofnature57]

27. Bravo!!!

[Nedsdag]

40. Again!

Hillary isn't running as Hillary Rodham. She's running as Hillary Clinton. In other words, she's using the Clinton name to vault her into the White House.

[jobycom]

42. The post said "new blood." Her blood isn't Clinton, AND, this may stun you,but

A woman can retain her own identity after marriage. I understand that conservatives and other idiots think she becomes a part of her husband, but it doesn't have to be that way.

And, I'll repeat, that I won't judge a candidate by his or her spouse.

[Moochy]

41. "Judge a candidate by their spouse"

If Hillary Rodham did not marry Mr Clinton, would she be a senator today?

To say that her spouse has nothing to do with your support is a bit of a stretch. IMO.

[jobycom]

43. First answer, maybe. Second answer, bullshit.

Hillary was a strikingly capable person out of college, actively involved in politics, and she may well have become a senator if she had married someone else. Flip that--would Bill have become president if he had married someone else? You can play that game all day long long, and it won't mean jack shit.

Second, my "support" (which is at this point a defense, since I'm not "supporting" anyone yet) is based on the person, not her spouse. Your hatred may be based on her husband, or it may not be, I have no idea. But don't project your sins on someone else.

[Moochy]

44. Where's my hatred?

You seem to have discerned?

Project much? All I see is you claiming I have some hatred for Hillary because I question that you (or anyone) is able to completely separate her career from her husbands.

Does that mean that I hate Hillary Clinton? I guess in your illogical world it does... Oh well.

[jobycom]

46. Alright, scratch "hatred" and enter "disdain."

That's clearly a part of your post. "Hatred" may have been an extrapolation.

Either way, you defended yourself against a passing comment qualified with a disclaimer ("I have no idea") rather than responding to the points of my post. :shrug:

[Moochy]

47. points of your post were:

The points of your post were:
1) HRC might have become senator without Bill, and Bill might not have become president without her. Great. Now that doesn't entail that one can easily judge her solely on the basis of her own career.

What was the other point?

[orpupilofnature57]

28. Bill was Nouveau in 1992 ,and stands as one of our best Managers...

which he should of been judged on.

[trudyco]

11. I used to like the Clintons...

Even after Bill pulled the Monica thing. But since then I've watched what has happened to healthcare. I've watched what has happened to the MSM thanks to the Fairness Doctrine being ignored and Fox, a foreign company, allowed to spew RW propoganda without any consequences. I've watched what NAFTA and off shoring of companies/jobs and the taking of jobs by illegals (who get exploited by bosses who don't get punished)has done to our middle class. I've listened to Al Gore and global warming - and know Bill mostly ignored his pleas for environmental reform.

And I've formed an opinion on the DLC.

Right now we need a populist. Preferably somebody who has actually lived a middle class life (Bill did but I don't think Hilary did).

No. No thanks.

[mtnsnake]

32. Let me guess. Now you love them?

:shrug:

[Blue_In_AK]

16. Um ... I think I'll pass.

[DFW]

17. I think

....that it is not ever gonna happen, so why speculate?

[jobycom]

20. I don't know, does that mean they'd have to start talking to each other again?

:shrug:

I love both Clintons, but the only value in that matchup I see would be comic relief. One, to watch their enemies tremble (that includes the Republicans and the so-called liberals who bash them), and two, to watch their private arguments become public policy. That would almost be worth it! :rofl: "Bill, quit staring at the ambassador from Brazil," she whispered, covering her mike with her hand. "Oh come on, Hill, I was staring at the french fries on her plate. You think she's going to eat those?"

[Immad2]

22. Bwaahahaha! Great reply!

:toast: :rofl:

[mtnsnake]

21. This is just 1 more way to bash Bill, 1 of the greatest presidents of all time, & the GOP

...the Goddess of Peace.

Why don't you just start a thread saying "Let's bash Bill and Hillary today".

[RacingBobbie]

24. Yeah, Bill

helped us get over the reagan and Bush 41 years and we were on our way to being a greta country again and then Bush 43 gets elected.
We will have to start all over since we have control of congress again.

[NV Whino]

23. More to the point

What would Hillary and Bill think of a Hillary and Bill ticket?

:popcorn:

[Immad2]

25. That! is a really good question!

[orpupilofnature57]

26. I'd Go Bill and Bozo the clown !!!!

[BeyondGeography]

29. Actually raises an interesting question for the real VP nominee

if Hillary winds up with the nomination. The VP slot is usually attractive, but Bill tends to overshadow everyone else. Being #2 on a Hillary-led ticket might feel like being #3, not a very appealing fate for most politicians and their egos.

[AlGore-08.com]

30. You'll all love the idea just as much when Senator Laura Bush picks Smirk for her VP later, right?

Or some other Republican President who you spent eight years loathing, whose spouse - - with a lot less time in public office - - picks that former Republican President who you still loathe as their running mate. You're totally not going to spend that election shouting that the Republican Power Couple that you still loathe are trying to make an end run around the constitution and allow that former Republican President who you still loathe with every fiber of your being to get his/her evil Republican backside back into the Oval Office.

Even if it was Constitutional (which it isn't) or a good idea (which it isn't), it's a terrible precedent.

[valerief]

31. Sure thing. Anything but those PNACers. nt

[IndianaGreen]

35. It would be an unconstitutional ticket, Big Dog cannot run for VP

for the same reason he can't run for Prez, and as youngdem pointed out, they are both residents from the same state (New York) and as such could not even take office even if elected.

In addition, if such a thing were to happen, it would validate the view that Hillary is nothing without Bill. I don't think that even Team Hillary would like the public to perceive that.

[antiimperialist]

36. The 12th ammendment says ex-presidents cannot run for Vice-president

"But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am12

[poorinnaples]

39. It would be interesting...

Is Bill Clinton "constitutionally ineligible to the office of President", if say he somehow managed to become Speaker of the House, & then through a series of events acceded to the Presidency, would he be ineligible to hold the office?

I know that's a stretch, but don't think these kinds of arguments won't be considered, if something like a Clinton/Clinton ticket happened to evolve.

It goes back to the argument, that the Supreme Court has been elevated to a position, of not only deciding Constitutionality of law, but writing laws where none exist.

[Lone_Wolf]

37. What would I think... I think dynasties are bad for democracy...

Entrenched power is not a good thing.

[pscot]

38. Gag me with a motherfucking spoon

n/t

[Arugula Latte]

45. One word: Ugh.

x(

[Moochy]

48. Alternating Dynastic Succession Crisis of 2008!

1980 (Bush VP)
1984 (Bush VP)
1988 Bush
1992 Clinton
1996 Clinton
2000 Bush
2004 Bush
2008 Clinton
2012 Clinton
2016 Bush (jeb)
2020 Bush (jeb)
2024 Clinton (chelsea)
2028 Clinton (chelsea)
2032 Bush (jenna)
2036 Bush (jenna)

etc.

:+

[NormanYorkstein]

49. I'd stay home

really what's the point of democracy if we just elect royalty?