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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:03 AM
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Lauer On Pelosi Syria Visit: ‘Let’s Face It, A Lot Of People Think She Messed Up On This One’
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/06/nbc-syria/

Lauer On Pelosi Syria Visit: ‘Let’s Face It, A Lot Of People Think She Messed Up On This One’

This morning, NBC’s Today Show ran a biased segment casting doubt on Pelosi’s Syria trip. Every single question asked by anchor Matt Lauer was framed around conservative talking points. In his first question, Lauer claimed Pelosi has gotten off to a rough start because of criticisms from a baseless Washington Post editorial, Vice President Cheney, and the conservative editorial pages of the Wall Street Journal:

LAUER: Vice President Cheney called Nancy Pelosi’s trip to Syria “bad behavior,” a Washington Post editorial on Thursday called it “counter-productive and foolish,” and an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal this morning goes a step further and suggests her trip may actually have been a felony, that it may have violated something called the Logan Act. Tim, is this the way the Democrats wanted to get off the mark in terms of foreign affairs?

With his second question, Lauer asserted that “a lot of people think messed up on this one,” and then asked “what’s the impact for the Democrats overall?” Lauer never mentioned the fact that five Republicans — Reps. Frank Wolf, Robert Aderholt, Joseph Pitts, David Hobson, and Darrell Issa — visited Syria this week.

To wrap up the segment, Lauer suggested that Pelosi may be “seen as usurping presidential power in designing and implementing foreign policy,” disregarding Rep. David Hobson’s (R-OH) comments that the Pelosi-led delegation “reinforced the administration’s positions.”

Watch the segment at link:

What the right-wing and the feckless media haven’t reported is that the American public supports giving diplomacy with Syria a chance. A December World Public Opinion poll found that 75 percent of Americans — including 72 percent of Republicans and 81 percent of Democrats — support the Iraq Study Group’s recommendation for direct engagement with Iran and Syria. Polls for the Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg and the Washington Post found similarly high levels of support for engagement.

Transcript:

LAUER: Vice President Cheney called Nancy Pelosi’s trip to Syria “bad behavior,” a Washington Post editorial on Thursday called it “counter-productive and foolish,” and op-ed in the Wall Street Journal this morning goes a step further and suggests her trip may actually have been a felony, that it may have violated something called the Logan Act. Tim, is this the way the Democrats wanted to get off the mark in terms of foreign affairs?

RUSSERT: No, they clearly wanted to distinguish themselves from the president’s policies, but you have to be careful, as Congressman Hamilton suggested. One ranking Democrat, Matt, said “we have an alternative Democratic foreign policy.” That is going to be very difficult to articulate and put into place when you don’t control the White House. On the other hand, Speaker Pelosi issued a statement last night on behalf of the bi-partisan delegation she is leading. Her delegation includes Republican congressmen. She is saying she has done nothing wrong or inconsistent with American foreign policy.

LAUER: Well, that’s their side of the story. However, if you look back at the mid-term elections, clearly some voters in this country were unhappy with the administration’s foreign policy, specifically in Iraq; it’s one of the reasons we think Democrats took control of Congress. But if the Democrats and Speaker Pelosi appear to be acting irresponsibly or incompetently, and let’s face it, a lot of people think she messed up on this one, what’s the impact for Democrats overall?

RUSSERT: It’s considerable. The Democrats have always had a difficulty being competitive with the Republicans in the public voter’s mind on national security and foreign policy issues. And if the people perceive missteps, it’s going to create and underscore that perceptual problem of Democrats.

LAUER: And let’s go back to the point you touched on a second ago. If it’s seen — what is the bigger and longer-term issue here if a political party is seen as usurping presidential power in designing and implementing foreign policy?

RUSSERT: As we learned in 1994, Matt, when Republicans took control of Congress with the Republican revolution and the Contract With America, people voted for change. But the voters are also willing to turn that around on its head, if they believe people have gone too far. That’s why this debate is so important.

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:05 AM
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1. And a lot of people think Matt Lauer is an idiot.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:09 AM
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6. "Some people say" Katie Couric and he have used the same
script all these years and I just realized that.
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unlawflcombatnt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 04:55 PM
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35. And now I'm one of them
He just got my vote for being an idiot.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:06 AM
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2. Fuck that puppet Lauer
I will never forgive him for the slanderous lying hit piece he did on Michael Moore when F9/11 came out. He is a despicable bastard for sure.

Rp
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:07 AM
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3. And alot more KNOW he is an idiot
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:07 AM
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4. "Some people say" that he listens to Katie Couric too much,


the polls don't reflect his bullshit.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:08 AM
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5. Keep your friends close - hold your enemies closer
-- Arabian proverb

Maybe "a lot of people think she messed up' and a lot of people think Lauer just doesn't get it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:17 AM
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14. Dem powerstructure is saying the same, unfortunately. Hilary Rosen on MSNBC said
yesterday that Pelosi's trip was not her finest moment.

I couldn't believe a Dem spokesperson would say that on television, and even after Dean issued a statement from the DNC supporting Pelosi.

There has always been a Dem power elite who has stuck close to Bush on military matters and foreign policy the last 6 years only offering minor criticisms about execution, and it looks like Rosen is their mouthpiece.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:48 AM
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24. Ironically, if we're not careful we'll be too careful -- again
and it will sink us in 2008.

I want someone who's seen the photographs of Pelosi in the ME from Wednesday to tell me that that was not one of her finest moments, and that American status and interests were not advanced by her trip.

Sometimes the spokespeople would do everyone a favor by not speaking.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 01:54 PM
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27. Here's the transcript from MSNBC - she said it to Tucker Carlson.
Anytime a Dem REIFIES a RW talking point used against us, it validates the RW noise machine and their ability to further lie and smear Democrats.


HILARY ROSEN, NBC ANALYST: It wasn‘t Nancy Pelosi‘s finest moment.

(LAUGHTER)

CARLSON: Yes.

ROSEN: And there is plenty to do the week where all the focus should be on keeping the showdown with the president on having accountability in Iraq.

CARLSON: Well, that‘s a good point.

ROSEN: I think that there are a lot of Democrats who want to see Nancy Pelosi push back on the president, push back on this foreign policy.

And it would have been a fine trip, had she not miscommunicated the Israeli message. I think that would—I think that sort of was the problem.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 06:57 PM
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42. And rosen said there was no big
Edited on Fri Apr-06-07 06:58 PM by zidzi
deal about swiftboating and it was silly to get upset about sam fox's recess appointment?(something like that)


So it's the bushits, the corporatewhores & the democratic losers' corporation.

Nancy knows who her enemies are, for sure.

There's gotta be away we can get rid of ALL THE CORPORATEASSHOLES.

Do you rememember what Dean said?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:09 AM
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7. Corporate shills who are responsible for the mess we are in. I hope they can't sleep at night.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:15 AM
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12. Petro Marketings $$$$ - Advertising with an axe to grind & pawns to grind it
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:27 AM
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18. These shows are losing viewers as younger folks spend more time on the internet.
This why I believe the big bucks raised by candidates is NOT as important as in the past. When I was growing up almost every family tuned in to nightly news on 3 stations. Now these shows will see more and more decline. Can't wait until they are totally a thing of the past.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 03:49 PM
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32. What, you mean in their 600+ thread count sheets and Gucci jammies?
I think they are sleeping just fine.
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leftwingnut Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:09 AM
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8. shouldn't Lauer be...
...showing us how to cook an Easter dinner or something? Why is he pretending to understand politics or the news?
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:44 AM
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23. Because Disney gives him the script via Karl Roves office
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 07:02 PM
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44. disney gives diane sawyer
the script..ge gives matty lauer his talking points.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:12 AM
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9. Let's Face It Matt Lauer: You're a M$M Whore for The Military Industrial Complex n/t
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:13 AM
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10. these reporters or commentators are FOS
Matt Lauer can suck on eggs. I just called Nancy Pelosi's office and told them I totally support Ms. Pelosi's diplomatic talks with Syria.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:13 AM
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11. I think anti-Bushco people being interviewed should make outrageous
remarks and use the "some people" or "a lot of people" tool. "A lot of people say you're an idiot, Lauer." "Some people would like to see you penniless and hungry, Lauer." After all, that tool (the verbal one, not the Lauer tool) doesn't require a shred of justification.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:16 AM
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13. You're glib, Matt.
And you're a dumbass.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:19 AM
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15. "Some people" say that corporate mediawhores....
are looking for any reason to take down the elected Democratic majority in the US congress.

Lauer is just shilling for his bosses at GE.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:19 AM
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16. Some people say that Matt does the broadcast with a cucumber up his butt
How do you respond to that, Matt?

Seriously, I love the fact that Pelosi scares the FUCK out of these cowards...GO NANCY!!!
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:23 AM
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17. correction: "A lot of corporate media insiders" not "people"
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:34 AM
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 06:59 PM
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43. Unbelievably sexist remark.
I can't believe my eyes. Good grief, that's a remark worthy of the 1950s, and not a minute later.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:37 AM
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20. They wish n/t
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Lobster Martini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:38 AM
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21. "Something called the Logan Act?"
Edited on Fri Apr-06-07 10:42 AM by Lobster Martini
"Something called the Logan Act?" If you're going to accuse the Speaker of the House of a crime, you ought to at least know what you're talking about. It took less than five seconds to find the text, and I'm sure my staff is smaller than the "Today" show's staff, since I don't have one.

Here's the text: “Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both." (Source is Cornell Law School's Web site: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000953----000-.html)

Whether or not Madam Speaker violated this law would seem to depend on what constitutes the "authority of the United States." It does not specifically refer to the State Department or the President. Does being an elected Congresswoman and Speaker of the House confer the "authority of the United States? Beats me. No lawyers here.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 03:45 PM
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30. The Logan Act is all the buzz on the RW sites
I ran across on Hannity's site earlier today
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:39 AM
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22. Splatt Louder is a cheap media whore.
When's his next tee time with Poopy Bush?
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:50 AM
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25. Fake journalism has become the norm
Lauer is just a clownish symptom of our dismantled media.
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:58 AM
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26. Lauer and Russert - two stooges spreading a controversy manufactured by republicans.
Its amazing that diplomacy is framed as being "bad" and "reckless". :eyes:

Lauer's RW bias comes barreling through like a freaking freight train:

RUSSERT: No, they clearly wanted to distinguish themselves from the president’s policies, but you have to be careful, as Congressman Hamilton suggested. One ranking Democrat, Matt, said “we have an alternative Democratic foreign policy.” That is going to be very difficult to articulate and put into place when you don’t control the White House. On the other hand, Speaker Pelosi issued a statement last night on behalf of the bi-partisan delegation she is leading. Her delegation includes Republican congressmen. She is saying she has done nothing wrong or inconsistent with American foreign policy.

LAUER: Well, that’s their side of the story. However, if you look back at the mid-term elections, clearly some voters in this country were unhappy with the administration’s foreign policy, specifically in Iraq; it’s one of the reasons we think Democrats took control of Congress. But if the Democrats and Speaker Pelosi appear to be acting irresponsibly or incompetently, and let’s face it, a lot of people think she messed up on this one, what’s the impact for Democrats overall?



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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 02:21 PM
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28. Okay pickles lets use your phrase and apply it to you, shall we?
‘Let’s Face It, A Lot Of People Think She murdered her boy friend’

shut the fuck up pickles, go take your xanex and have another martini while you are chain smoking okay? because, no one really gives a shit about what you think.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 03:43 PM
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29. I heard
a lot of people thought Matt Lauer does for journalism what Jeffrey Dahmer did for the culinary arts, and some other people told me Lauer has twice the suction of a Dyson Vacuum Cleaner. Finally there was a poll which came out recently sponsored by the STFU Think Tank with a .00001% margin of error in which 72% of the respondents believed Lauer wasn't even a journalist, he just plays one on television. You could have knocked me over with a straw when I saw these results!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 03:46 PM
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31. Question to Lauer-DO YOU HAVE A CREDIBLE SOURCE?
The White House and it's propaganda machine doesn't count anymore just ask ANYONE
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 03:50 PM
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33. In all fairness it should be noted that Russert completely whored it up there too
good lord

MSM is dead to me
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 04:19 PM
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34. All this means is the Democrats have to take a United STAND and vocally support Pelosi..
Edited on Fri Apr-06-07 04:23 PM by Tellurian
Craft a statement and put it out there before the Republicans build up a head of steam. The Democratic Public deserves a voice from our side of the political spectrum. And it should come from the candidates running for the presidential nomination. They should speak to one statement they agree on, in a united front. So there's no room for Republicans pitting one candidate against the other.

Isn't the genius of the world created when life gives you lemons, you make lemonade? So, Democrats should take advantage of the spotlight and shine it on the Democrats as a job well done. Something Bush and company wasn't willing to do for the good of the country. And jam it full face to the Republican pariahs.

The Logan Act, be damned.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 05:18 PM
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36. "Let’s Face It, A Lot Of People Think" = Fox Noise's "Some people say..."
Matt...stick to interviewing spring gardening nannies...


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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 06:15 PM
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37. Matt Lauer should have stayed on "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous"
He could have had champagne wishes and caviar dreams with Robin Leach.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 06:16 PM
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38. wasn't it disgusting
I am so sick of the NBC whores (Matt, 'Chucky,' Mrs. Greenspan ...). They frame everything as though they're talking about horse races -- Dems v repukes, with repukes always depicted favorably.

They NEVER discuss the meat of the issue behind the debate. And a Dem is NEVER given a break. I was so disgusted this morning, I got dressed to Lifetime Channnel reruns instead of the TODAY show. Give me the Nanny or the Golden Girls over Matt and Tim ...

Hell, we need a Sophia ... to tell off those 'slut puppies' of the press.
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 06:40 PM
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39. Lauer's an a$$
Considering how the Bush Administration has botched relations with Syria.

From what I understand, Bashar Assad was offering help to the Bush administration after 9/11 - but, since the Bushies considered Syria part of "the problem", they ignored him (despite the fact that Bashar was fairly newly in power and had more democratic leanings than his late father) - and any chance of supporting democracy and reform in Syria, in addition to possibly having another Arab ally in the ME was lost.

If anything Pelosi did might help to fix the mess Bush created...it'll be seen as a damn fine move when it's looked back on.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 06:52 PM
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40. Fuck you face, lauer..you corporate ge
fucking asshole.

Who's "a lot of people"?..matty? you, timmy, jack, brian, zucker, whoever the fuck signs your paycheck, you fucking pressbitch.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 06:57 PM
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41. Is this "push newscasting"?
You know, we've got push polling -- the practice of faux polls whose real intent is to push negative and usually untrue information about a candidate or issue off onto the listener. Is this the "news" equivalent?
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 07:04 PM
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45. Let's face it...
A lot of people think Orlando Florida is a Dominican baseball player.

A lot of people think the Tehachapes is a retro-funk band from New Orleans.

A lot of people think the asteroid belt is an exercise machine.

A lot of people think you can negotiate terms and conditions with the tooth fairy.

A lot of people think Europe is a moon of Saturn.

A lot of people even think TV news tells the truth.

But almost nobody thinks Matt Lauer knows his posterior from a sink hole.
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