CNN/Schneider is lying about the Pew poll. . .

[pat_k]

. . .to hide the REAL number that want Dems really turn on the heat (and the ONLY way to do that is impeachment).

Can't provide the graphic, but Bill Schneider presented the following
(Situation Room, approx 4:25 PM):

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Democratic Congressional Leaders
Challenge to Bush Iraq policies

Gone too far 23%

About right 40%

Not far enough 30%
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The "About right" and "Not far enough" numbers are reversed. There is a big difference between 40% "Not far enough" (reality) and 30% "Not far enough (reported). That's a 20 point swing away from impeachment.

Question and Results from the Pew Center

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Q.20 Do you think Democratic leaders in Congress
are going too far or not far enough in challenging
George W.Bush’s policies in Iraq, or are they
handling this about right?

23 % Too far

40 % Not far enough

30 % About right

7 Don’t know/Refused
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Report CNN "Errors" here:

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form6a.html?2

[Senator]

1. K&R (and email sent)

[Warren Stupidity]

2. All they have is bullshit fear and lies. nt

[pat_k]

3. "Don't go too far" Squawk "Backlash" "Watch out" Squawk. . .

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703260010

[WCGreen]

7. I don't seem to recall anyone saying anything about the GOP

going to far when they basically shut down the government looking into everything about Bill....

[tom_paine]

9. The elephant in the room. An elephant in EVERY ROOM. Big Brother Loyal Bushie

[pat_k]

13. Nope -- in fact, Bush's pathological "stubborness" was long. . .

. . .characterized as admirable strength. What is so nuts is that the establishment never seemed to be compelled to warn Bush that his fascist imposition of his will on the the electorate would result in "backlash" (until it actually did), but they are incessantly compelled to warn Dems that "Bad Things" will happen if they continue their attempts to serve as the voice of the people (impotent and feeble though their attempts have been).

We must always remember that DC is truly a Republican town. Republicans have been in charge of appointing and hiring for more years in the past decades than Dems. And Republicans are ALWAYS more ruthless when it comes to purging the ranks, from top to bottom. Republican propaganda and group think is so pervasive because reactionary Repubs vastly out number Dems. And the abusive reactions that come from the fascist wing are apparently far more effective at conditioning the denizens of DC to avoid and escape when they are called on to do anything they fear will evoke the ire of the enforcers on the right.

[tom_paine]

8. Excellent characterization! LOL

:rofl:

But it's all coming out now, and the tip of the iceberg is revealing a massive and ominous shape.

What's scary is that I have always said that BushCheney will NOT go quietly and that the closer we get to indictment/impeachment/conviction the more likelihood of some shocking and casualty-producing event to give them emergency powers and a fearful, bruised, easily controlled nation again.

But would they DARE? Are they that CRAZY? I wonder if they are turning over the idea of a LIHOP 9/11 #2 (or even a MIHOP) right now in their war councils.

:nuke: :scared: :grr: :grr: :mad: :scared:

[pat_k]

12. There is no "too far" for Bush and Cheney, which is why "playing chicken". . .

. . .with them is so absurd, particularly when the other player is plagued by fears of going "too far."

Bush and Cheney have proven over and over and over that they will go to any lengths. They tell us, and prove, that the will of the American people, our laws, getting caught, political finger wagging, can't/won't stop them. Impeachment is the only "lethal" weapon in the Congressional arsensal. Taking the power to destroy out of their hands is the only way to stop them.

We will probably never "know" whether 9/11 was MIHOP, LIHOP, or what -- just as we will probably never be able to find their fingerprints on the next such event.

The reality -- that anything can happen tomorrow, whether they are "in on it" or not -- is what makes impeachment so urgent. It is what makes the rationalizations "we must investigate first" or "be patient, the wheels are turning" so dangerous. Not only do they minimize the reality of our national crisis (if urgent action isn't required, it can't be that bad), investigations undermine the powerful cases we have by saying "we don't have a case; we're still fishing."

The price of delay could be unimaginable.⁽¹⁾ The danger is not only another terrorist attack. Bush could declare war on Iran or Syria or North Korea or Venezuela or even Haiti; or some completely unforeseen event could make it impossible to rescue our national soul for a long time to come.
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(1) Even when we move full steam ahead, we can be thwarted by events.

On September 10, 2001, there were many signs that sanity was returning. The number who believed Florida was stolen had passed 50%. Bush's approval was continuing the steady downward slide that started the day he was inaugurated. A coalition led by Democrats.com that included the National Lawyers Guild and Vincent Bugliosi had scheduled a Sept. 11 press conference http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2701395&mesg_id=2707042">to announce their "fall offensive" -- a campaign that that included the effort to see Scalia et al. impeached for Bush v. Gore.

Bush's claims to any semblance of legitimacy were crumbling fast.

Then the sun came up on 9/11/2001. In the weeks that followed, the countless people who were horrified by the stolen election and Bush's incredible abuses were silenced in a nation that had seemingly gone mad.

Sanity is once again returning, but we must recognize how fragile the moment is..

[tom_paine]

4. Now THAT'S some subltle gestalt-forming propaganda!

The Operation Mockingbird v2.0 group certainly got their money's worth from that one.

But don't blame AEI hack Schneider just yet. It is possible that he himself is a recipient of Mockingbird v2.0 lucre or favors. It is also possible that Loyal Bushies in the copy room inserted this "typo" for the Party Comrades.

It could also be an "honest mistake" (by far the least likely scenario, factoring in Bushevik malfeasance, criminality, and their love of Soviet-style moves like this).

[blm]

5. They've been inside CNN's production offices for many years.

Schneider knows that even better than we do. He probably had a hand in getting them in.

[greiner3]

6. done;

but will it accomplish anything? I fear not. That was an 'error' coming from a producer, not some flunky in the control room. screw Turner for giving up day-to-day control and quietly rotting on his estate.

[Time for change]

10. I'll bet that a most of those who responded "about right" wouldn't have any problem with impeachment

at all. All it means in many cases IMO is that they're satisfied with the direction that they're going, and if it becomes necessary to go further, for example with impeachment, that would be fine too.

[pat_k]

11. Spot on. What's so huge is that the "middle" DIDN"T get the lion's share. . .

. . .as would be expected. People gravitate toward a middle answer with three options (which is why pollsters usually create more categories to tease out the "middle" into leaners).

The error was so grave because it presented a picture that was the opposite of reality -- i.e., the reversal made very surprising results "unsurprising."

That said, you're right. Their mythical backlash beast isn't rising up from the "about right" people. It's akin to the "lower priority" option in Newsweek's poll last November. Of course, once impeachment is being pursued, those who think impeachment should be a "lower priority" (but still a priority) would be fine with it (http://january6th.org/oct2006-newsweek-poll-impeach.html).