So what happens now?

[badgerpup]

Bush has said "You can talk to my people, but ONLY on my terms- in secret, no transcript, no oath."

Leahy replies "Guess again, Monkeyboy. Your buddies are about to get their asses subpoenaed, put under oath, in PUBLIC, and have everything they say recorded and available to the public.

Your move, Georgie."


What is this 'Constitutional Crisis with which Bush is threatening us? What does he think he can do?

[tblue]

1. This happens

[outlookin_in]

2. just my opinion but...

If GB activates, already in place, Marshall Law...
If GB can locate enough Halliburton mercenaries on American
soil
then GB can just arrest the Senate and Congress because there
is...
NO Posse Comitatus: right to disagree or protest presidential
executive orders...
NO Habeas (sp) Corpus: right to due process...
NO Supreme Court: who nullified their authority in declaring
GWB prez in 2000...

GWB believes he holds all the cards.  

Once upon a time a guy named Julius Caesar thought the same
thing and it took his 
senate and military leaders to plot his demise to end his
insanity.

The same is true of Hitler: his insiders realized it was them
or him.

Apparently the Senate and Congress still have not learned that
November 2006 was more of a mandate for them to use the
Constitutional power they already have or be voted out the 
next election.  

[tkmorris]

4. Sorry mate

No way does any of that happen here. This thing matters, but not THAT much. Even assuming Georgie were willing to attempt such a power grab, doing it here would just be asinine. No one would support it, not the people, not the military, and not his own party.

Seriously, are you just pulling our leg here or what?

[tavalon]

6. I agree with you on this one

but I also wonder what a Constitutional crisis looks like.

[outlookin_in]

9. this is what i meant...

technically all the "legal" pieces are in place. 
since GB took office with a "republican majority,"
in both houses of Congress... those guys handed him one
constitutional changing policy after another, including an
unlimited "Marshall Law," activation.  In other
words it's there for whenever GB feels like using it.  They
also gave him under the Patriot Act II the right to quarantine
whole areas of the country, in a basic house arrest format if
an outbreak of some bad bug, like bird flu, happens.  As a
part of a spending bill they made it an act of terrorism for
any person to protest the government. They have invaded our
privacy without due process, and on and on...

Now no one has of yet actually tried to enforce the new laws
but they are there when someone is ready to use them?  Who
would have thought that the right wingers would remove their
own rights to protest government decisions,or create a
scenario that would not allow them to leave home to go to
church even?  That is asinine, crazy, stupid but they did it. 
  SO the next president could say arrest all anti-abortion
protesters?  Why would the right wingers do that to their
selves and why would GB sign it?  I hope it is crazy to think
that arrogant empowered leaders could become so detached as to
think they could get away with this but they have on paper and
who can say that what is on paper is impossible?  

My point is that GB and company have already done the
ridiculous, or as stated the "asinine."  They have
chopped up the power of the people which is the Constitution. 
When GB and DC state that there "is nothing (the
Congress) can do to stop them," the Congress is the voice
of the people and if the Congress is powerless over the Bush
company then the people are powerless: and that my friends is
a Constitutional crisis.  Then of course the prosecutors and
judges needed to inform the president and the republican right
that their laws are not allowed under the constitution have
been fired, now that too I believe is ridiculous and who would
have thought they would get away with that?

What I was thinking is that who would have thought that any
american president would get away with some of the brazen in
our faces things this president has so far gotten away with? 
I have heard no one propose to restore the rights of protest
when they have a majority to do so?  Furthermore the Congress
has more than enough impeachable evidence/cause and yet they
don't even try?  

To me these are all ridiculous and asinine, but they are real.
 I do hope that not even GB would be insane enough to try to
arrest an oppositional congress, but then again this is the
president who started a war with lies and has sacrificed men
and women and their wives husbands children and families for
his own secret agenda.  Who would have thought?  

[Jack Sprat]

3. They have much to hide and plan to stonewall

every inch of the way. When an administration is in trouble, they will circle the wagons around the White House, perjure themselves under oath, and try to muddle through the last 19 months.

Democrats should attack Bush now harder than ever. He is acting belligerent, but it is just an act. Their defenses are crumbling around them. We must do more than investigate their corruption, though.

We should tie any budget agreement on this war funding to an tax increase that will quickly pay off the 500 Billion debt it created. Let's grab Shrub's balls and squeeze them until he passes out.

[Clark2008]

7. Kick 'em when they're down...

[Eurobabe]

5. Perhaps Bush can go to the UK, they'll need a new Monarch soon

Since in his little stupid pea-brain he thinks he can do whatever he wants because he's the DECIDER.

Fuck Bush and Rove, no passes on this!!

[badgerpup]

8. Shameless kick...cos I really do wanna know what's gonna happen!

:kick: