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oldtimecanuk Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 05:14 PM
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Anyone seen this before? God this is so hard to believe!...
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=9315

February 28th, 2007 9:49 am
Vets charged for lost & damaged gear

By Jim Hoffer / WABC

Imagine fighting for your country in Iraq, risking life and limb, only to be billed for your lost or damaged uniform. That's what is happening to some soldiers returning from Iraq.

The Eyewitness News Investigators has been looking into this for some time.

They served bravely and are now being slapped with a bill from Uncle Sam. The men you are about to hear from are being charged for the uniforms they served in -- one of them damaged on the battlefield, others lost in the confusion of war.

Are these careless soldiers or victims of a stingy military?

They dodge roadside bombs and bullets for a year in Iraq, but for some soldiers there are no handshakes at their homecoming. Instead, they're handed a bill for damaged or missing equipment.

"I'm so proud to be in the military ... at the same time I just could not believe that when I got back after sacrificing so much that I owed the Army money," the soldier said.

This soldier got a bill for about $500 dollars for lost gear. Another soldier had to pay nearly $800 dollars for items such as trousers, a coat, a helmet which he lost during a year spent in some of Iraq's most dangerous towns.

"Maybe you were lying down with a coat behind your head and you come under fire. Your first reaction isn't to grab coat fold it neatly and make sure it's properly stowed when you're being shot at," another soldier said.

These two soldiers asked us to cover their faces because they're considering making a career of the military. They say the bills are a blow to morale.

"You've got the threat of people shooting at you, you're under intense stress and sometimes you have more important things to potentially think about than do I have everything with me," the soldier said.

And in this letter, an uncle details how when his nephew handed in his Army uniform after returning home from Iraq, "they made him pay for parts of it because it was blood stained during combat along the Syrian border."

"To ask him to fight a war and then pay the bill to fight the war defies common sense," said Congressman Steve Israel (D-NY).

Israel is fighting on the soldier's behalf to get the bill for his bloodied uniform dropped. The Army has responded by saying the soldier should contact his commander who can provide him with a "fair wear and tear statement that would eliminate any responsibility to pay for the damaged uniform."

"That's the last thing in the world we should be asking commanders to have to do while they're writing condolence letters to families back home and it's the last thing we should be asking our soldiers to do," Israel said.

The Army says there's a simple process for soldiers to avoid getting billed for lost or damaged gear. All they have to do is fill out a three-page form listing the items missing and why and then get their commander to sign it. The military says these forms are an easy way for soldiers to avoid charges while maintaining accountability to the American taxpayers. But soldiers we spoke to say it's much more complicated.

"You can sometimes get him to sign a waiver, but he's often swamped with things that are much more important," the soldier said.

These soldiers paid their bills rather than getting bogged down in bureaucracy. They still love the military, even though the respect seemed less than mutual.

"I joined the military because I wanted to give back to those who gave me the freedom that I have today ... when I got home and I was told that I owed the military money because I misplaced or lost some things in the course of my duties as an American soldier, I was really sad. I felt hurt," another soldier said.

It's unclear how widespread this is, but the soldiers we spoke to say they saw fellow veterans getting similar bills. Most of them paid it so they could be discharged and go home to see their families.

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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 05:17 PM
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1. What I need to know is: Is this something new?
Or has this been policy for many years?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 05:19 PM
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2. I heard of this a few months ago.
Absolutely outrageous.
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oldtimecanuk Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 05:21 PM
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3. I don't think that this was policy under any other Administration, not
certain of that, but I would highly doubt it! If it has been, it certainly has been kept a secret.

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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 05:24 PM
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4. I left my fatigues
in a corner of the hooch I slept in on my last night in Vietnam. Have been sorry since cause I didn't have anything to wear to parades. This is ridiculous. You always have to sign for equipment, but I never heard of anyone being charged for something they lost in combat. All you had to do was say "combat damage." In the hospital the first thing you do is cut off their boots and uniforms. They go in the trash with all the contaminated garbage.
They get more assinine by the hour.
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Inkyfuzzbottom Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 05:28 PM
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5. Why, oh why?
"These two soldiers asked us to cover their faces because they're considering making a career of the military."

I just don't get it...
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oldtimecanuk Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 05:33 PM
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6. I sure hope someone will ask DefSec about this... cause this is absolute...
Bullshit. That wood be the Bush/Cheney way though....

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sanskritwarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:52 AM
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7. Stated in another thread
I have had to pay nearly 1000 dollars to the DOD in lost gear in my 13 years in the Army. This is nothing new nor sinister. All soldiers in the AVA sign a hand receipt for issued items from CIF. If you lose it, a report of survey is done, if it is your fault you get a bill........This has been around at least 14 years.......
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