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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 01:32 PM
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Hotline: "Why James Carville Thinks Gore Will Run"
Edited on Wed Feb-28-07 01:33 PM by flpoljunkie
Or, perhaps better stated, why James Carville "hopes" Gore will run.

February 28, 2007

Why James Carville Thinks Gore Will Run

This isn't new news, despite Newsmax.com's breathless breaking news alert.

For months, Clinton strategist James Carville has been telling anyone who would listen that he's convinced ex-VP Al Gore will run, Gore's deflections to the contrary.

Here's how we're translating Mr. Carville:

He might think Gore will actually run.

Also, the more Dems pay attention to Al Gore, the less they'll pay attention to Sen. Barack Obama.

The more there's talk of a Gore run, the more impetus there is for a Draft Gore movement, the more pressure Gore feels compelled to run, the more excited some Democrats become, about a Gore run, etc, the more they compare Gore and his resume to the rest of the field...

Do Sen. Clinton's strategists believe that Gore will actually run? Probably not -- he'd be hard to beat, as they'll acknowledge. But the more the Democratic activist base thinks about Gore, the more they'll compare the ideal -- Mr. Gore -- with the hope -- Mr. Obama, and presumably, they'll find Obama lacking in substance.

Obama's strategists dispute the entire premise of this calculation.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/02/why_james_carvi.html




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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 01:38 PM
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1. Did Gore and Hillary have a good working relationship....

during the Clinton years?

Gore/Clinton ?
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 01:40 PM
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5. No and Rolling Stone says on of the reasons Gore is having a problem
is that he would have to fight against Bill.
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 01:43 PM
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6. Talking heads say they hated each other
They said that during the Clinton presidency, the two competed against each other to be Bill Clinton's closest advisor.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 01:38 PM
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2. Why anybody would give a rats ass what this POS thinks
about Gore or anything else, mystifies me.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 01:44 PM
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7. exactly.
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 01:39 PM
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3. Carville's plan: Persuade potential Obama contributors to sit on their wallets (nt)
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 01:40 PM
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Wouldn't be surprised if thats Carvilles strategy. But I truly hope Gore runs n/t
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 01:40 PM
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4. That's so lowdown and dirty ...
... typical. And exactly why I'm not in the Hillary camp.
It's all about winning for them - just like with the Boosh clan.
Power. At any cost.

Not that I'm in the Obama camp, either ... but that's some cheap-ass politics, Jimmy.


:thumbsdown:
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 01:54 PM
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9. neither you or the person who wrote the article
know if any of this is even true. It's all specualtion as to what Carville's motives are.

You base your opinion on a candidate or a campaign on some anonymous blogger at the National Journal?

---------------
ps -

I don't understand what you have against winning. At any cost. Because the "cost" of not winning these last two presidential elections is pretty obvious.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:04 PM
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16. If you don't understand it, I can't explain it to you.
Good luck.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 05:11 PM
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17. yeah, sure
that's the most dumbass reply I've ever gotten on this board.




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NastyDiaper Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 01:46 PM
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8. I'll buy that Carville wants people to think gore will run,
Edited on Wed Feb-28-07 01:55 PM by NastyDiaper
and that he has no more clue than anyone else. Can't say that I buy his strategy though.

The more people focus on Gore, the more they realize that Hillary is not the one to choose should Gore not run.

(for example, I signed Kerry2008's Clark petition. Sorry JC, our campaign to the primaries is going to mean something more than the frontrunner stuffing her wallet.)
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 02:11 PM
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11. not a correct hypothesis.
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NastyDiaper Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 09:03 AM
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19. The difference here is it's so early.
Otherwise certainly, diluting the field to Hillary's left would help her.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 02:03 PM
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10. I'd read that on Hotline a few weeks ago but the WaPo/ABC poll that
came out showed that Hillary gained more when Gore was excluded then Obama did. That surprised me.

"The latest poll put Clinton at 36 percent, Obama at 24 percent, Gore at 14 percent and Edwards at 12 percent. None of the other Democrats running received more than 3 percent. With Gore removed from the field, Clinton would gain ground on Obama, leading the Illinois senator 43 percent to 27 percent. Edwards ran third at 14 percent. The poll was completed the night Gore's documentary film "An Inconvenient Truth" won an Academy Award."

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 02:30 PM
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12. KTRE story linked on Hotline yields Carville gem--he referred to himself a "Shiite Clintonite."
Edited on Wed Feb-28-07 02:47 PM by flpoljunkie
http://www.ktre.com/Global/story.asp?S=6149285&nav=2FH5

Carville expressed his support for Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., but said that it would be "difficult" for her to win the Democratic nomination.

As for the man for whom he once worked, Carville said, "Bill Clinton is the most popular human being on Earth," and referred to himself as a "Shiite Clintonite."
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 10:17 AM
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22. You left the best of Carville OUT!
"I think he's gonna run," James Carville told Don Imus Tuesday morning of former Vice President Gore's potential presidential ambitions.

Appearing as a guest on "Imus in the Morning" on radio and MSNBC, the former Clinton strategist said:
"Running for president is like sex, Don. You don't do it once and forget about it." :rofl:

This is not the first time that Carville has offered his prediction about Gore, or uttered his line about sex, but it is likely to receive additional attention in the wake of Gore's high-profile Sunday appearance during the 79th Annual Academy Awards.


http://www.ktre.com/Global/story.asp?S=6149285&nav=2FH5

At least we know Carville hasn't gone over to the Republican side. Republicans don't have sex. :shrug: Remember, they told us so!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 02:34 PM
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13. Keeping Gore supporters on the fence
That's what Carville's really doing. Gore supporters aren't going to go for Hillary and he damn well knows it. Once they decide to go with a candidate, Hillary's going to be in real trouble.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 02:45 PM
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14. Kos and Atrios weigh in on Carville's comments...
Why Clinton's people encourage talk of a Gore run
by kos

Wed Feb 28, 2007 at 10:23:33 AM PST

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/2/28/131730/036

From the Hotline blog:

For months, Clinton strategist James Carville has been telling anyone who would listen that he's convinced ex-VP Al Gore will run, Gore's deflections to the contrary.

Here's how we're translating Mr. Carville:

He might think Gore will actually run.

Also, the more Dems pay attention to Al Gore, the less they'll pay attention to Sen. Barack Obama.

The more there's talk of a Gore run, the more impetus there is for a Draft Gore movement, the more pressure Gore feels compelled to run, the more excited some Democrats become, about a Gore run, etc, the more they compare Gore and his resume to the rest of the field...

The Clinton people fear two things above all else -- the entry of Al Gore into the race, and the clear emergence of an "anti-Hillary" candidate.

There's no reason for them to do anything to prompt Gore's entry into the race. So they must be confident that Gore is solidly out of the race. That way, their little misdirection campaign can safely inject enough confusion into the race to keep Obama (or Edwards) from becoming that dominant anti-Clinton candidate.

Update: Atrios isn't the only one.

Apparently I'm the only person who is bothered by this, but it's probably inappropriate for "Clinton strategist" James Carville to maintain his pundit seat at CNN during the primary season.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 02:56 PM
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15. Trust Carville Le Turncoat at your peril
The ass is an evil ass.

He snickers Democratic party secrets to his skanky Repug wife. He has proven he is not to be trusted as far as you can spit on him.





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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 05:13 PM
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18. Specious news blurb.
Posted I suspect for yet another shot at James Carville.
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Learn2Swim Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 09:49 AM
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21. Nasty Diaper I agree,


and was kind of wondering the same thing thinking that this could actually just help draw attention away from her grace.

F Hillary. And Carville.

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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 09:40 AM
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20. Why won't James Carville just disappear? nm
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