Ok, who slipped the Kool-Aid to Hillary?

[Archae]

Clinton also sought to draw a contrast with some of her Democratic rivals on the issue of terrorism. "Some people may be running who may tell you that we don't face a real threat from terrorism," she said. "I am not one of those."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/02/clinton_comes_to_south_carolin.html

Exactly WHO is Hillary talking about?
Or did someone slip her some of the GOP Kool-Aid?

:shrug:

[papau]

1. Seems she may be calling out the "we only need better policing" folks - which

included myself back in 2002.

Is Dennis still doing the police wording?

[welshTerrier2]

6. spin, spin, spin

here's the quote: "Some people may be running who may tell you that we don't face a real threat from terrorism," she said. "

even if she was "CALLING OUT" the ""we only need better policing" folks" (and i see no reference or implication in her statement about "policing" at all), does that mean that people calling for policing as a response to terrorism are saying that "we don't face a real threat from terrorism"?????

i think not!

Hillary put her big fat foot in her big fat mouth. Just let it go. She said it; she should NOT have said it. there's no spinning away from the words she used.

[papau]

8. she did say it - a response to media/GOP attacks perhaps - but where is the evil?

Is the usage of rhetorical strawmen evil - as that is the only possible complaint I see that might arise from the statement?

I suspect every candidate, GOP or Dem, will say they understand security - and most will use strawmen rather than get into a personal fight with anyone.

[welshTerrier2]

11. well, i certainly didn't use the term "evil"

what you're so willing to accept as a "strawman" might VERY FAIRLY be called a bold-faced LIE.

it is a lie any way you spin it.

and this is not a legitimate use of a "strawman" argument. to setup a strawman argument to make a point or to clarify your own position is sometimes legitimate. to LIE about your opponent's position is not.

again, it's not the end of the world but it was a LIE and it was a very stupid thing to say. it would be great to see one of her opponents raise the OP's exact question during one of the debates. what Clinton should say as a response: "I put my big fat foot in my big fat mouth. I shouldn't have said it. I was wrong I APOLOGIZE."

has Clinton ever apologized for anything she's done? or does she want us to believe she never makes mistakes?

[papau]

13. She never says that opponent of hers for anything had taken that position.

"Some people may be running who may tell you that we don't face a real threat from terrorism," she said. "I am not one of those."

So I guess based your post - this now qualifies as a "legitimate use of a "strawman" argument."?

[FredScuttle]

19. Who in the hell else would she be talking about?

Giuliani? McCain? Brownback? Freakin' Lyndon LaRouche? St. Ralph of Nader?

If Hillary thinks she's going to win over Democrats by using GOP smear tactics against fellow Democrats, she is sorely mistaken.

[papau]

22. who else? - Perhaps radio talk show/Fox Cable News types trying to define her last week? n/t

n/t

[FredScuttle]

23. so why doesn't she say that?

oh yeah....the Faux talking heads aren't "running"

Please spare me the tortured parsing....I'm not a 5 year old.

[tblue]

2. See, that's where she pisses me off. She picks up those Republic party talking points and uses them

against the Democrats. I resent the hell out of that. With friends like her.........

[blm]

25. It's called REIFYING and it's been the most damaging tactic to the party for years.

ADOPTING the RW lies against other Democrats and using them to sell yourself as different. Disgusting. Instead of FIGHTING the lies they give in to them and adopt them as FACTS.

[lvx35]

3. Oh, that's Johnny Wreckless

he's running on the "Terrorism isn't actually real" platform. You haven't heard of him? ;)

[Nite Owl]

4. Why is it that we are supposed to

make nice with her when she can say things like this about other dems? It all comes down to the fact that she is no more than a politican, she wants to win, she wants the power and that's all.

[oldtimecanuk]

5. Somebody please tell me she is not going to win the Primaries!

I don't like her for President, she is not Bill and that comes thru so large... If it weren't for the fact that she is Bill's wife, she wouldn't have a snow balls chance in hell, and would not even be where she is...... Again I say, if it is between her or a Republic, I would vote for her, but not otherwise...


ww

[lvx35]

7. The fact is that being Bills wife hurts her...It makes her the MOST radical candidate we could have.

As far as pissing off the right. This is the woman they believe was raped by Bill Clinton to have her daughter:
http://conservativeeyes.blogspot.com/2005/06/new-book-alleges-that-bill-raped.html
They will continue to believe this sort of thing, and the rest of the massive mythology woven about her, they will believe her victory will result in a rapist first man victimizing the white house staff. So yes, Hillary Clinton is not really helped by taking a moderate stance in my opinion, because the resistance to her on the right is more deeply rooted in her husbands penis than in her politics. This is the sa state of affairs in America.

[zulchzulu]

9. Maybe Mike Gravel said there is no terrorist threat...

http://www.gravel2008.us/

Check out his site. Otherwise, I think EVERY candidate running has talked about terrorism as a threat to be dealt with...yes, even Dennis Kucinich. Even Nader has talked about the threat of terrorism.

Frankly, I have no idea what the hell she is talking about. Is one of the Gandi family members running?

[welshTerrier2]

14. Gravel at the DNC Winter Meetings

America’s political leadership is in denial as to the gravity and scope of our problems, viewing them almost exclusively from a national perspective. In fact, the major problems we face are all global in nature––energy, the environment, TERRORISM, drugs, war, immigration, disease, economic and cultural globalization. These problems require global solutions that can only be addressed by concerted diplomacy and cooperation, not jingoism about America’s Super Power superiority.

[zulchzulu]

15. I was kidding about Gravel

My point was pretty obvious.

If Mrs. Clinton has an idea on what candidate she is referring to that thinks terrorism is not considered a serious issue, I'd love to find out who that person is...

[welshTerrier2]

16. i actually had no idea what Gravel's position on terrorism was

i heard his speech but didn't remember the details. actually, it might be interesting to start a thread comparing his approach to terrorism to Clinton's. I like many things Gravel had to say.

[MannyGoldstein]

10. 'Some people may be running who may tell you...

...that the moon is made of green cheese. I am not one of those.'

I just love this stuff.

[David Zephyr]

12. Good grief.

Pathetic.

[liberal renegade]

17. It's Joe L. who slipped her

the kool-aid

[DesertRat]

18. Here's the culprit

[Colobo]

21. LOL

[hatrack]

20. Nice straw man, Senator

:eyes:

[Q]

24. Take note...

...that it's usually the DLCers who use the 'attack fellow Democrats' approach to campaigning. Lieberman comes to mind as another recent example.

Remember that Hillary and her DLC buds are attempting to form a 'new' Democratic party...one where liberals and progressives are told to shut up or sit at the back of the bus.