The "Restoring the Constitution Act of 2007 is the test for HRC.

[rhett o rick]

Does the Senator agree with most of the Country that the Torture Bill needs to be repealed? Here is her chance to show where she stands. Will she co-sponsor this bill? If not, why not?

[countmyvote4real]

1. That is a great test for ALL candidates.

Still, HRC's greatest hurdle, dodge or whatever gymnastic maneuver is coming clean on her IWR vote. If she ever comes clean on that, (and time is quickly running out) it will be too late.

[IndianaGreen]

2. Hillary remains unrepentant about her vote for PATRIOT

Is she now going to flip-flop and tell us that the Bill of Rights wasn't such a bad idea after all? This woman has a lot of repenting and explaining to do.

[k_jerome]

4. is this related to the "torture bill"? nt.

[paulk]

22. she voted against the Patriot Act Reauthorization in 2005

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=249895



get your facts straight.

[k_jerome]

3. what "torture bill"? nt.

[knight_of_the_star]

7. The Military Commission Act of 2006

The one that, among other things, ripped habeas corpus to shreds and makes it illegal for anyone held as an enemy combatant to sue in court if they are being tortured. Look at it in the Congressional Review or at the ACLU, it's one hell of a doozie.

[k_jerome]

8. did Clinton not vote against this bill?...

why is this OP making it look like she supported it?

[knight_of_the_star]

9. Personally I'm not sure

Although it wouldn't be hard to find out. I think the OP is raising an issue with it because, honestly, HRC has done some things that were pretty craven and aimed at political position, like getting the bug up her butt over video game violence for instance, or how long she supported the war until she finally flipped the other way when it became popular to oppose the war. I don't know how she voted on the bill, but if she votes against a law that would repeal it, then quite frankly it will be a cold day in Baghdad before she gets my vote for dog catcher.

[k_jerome]

10. she voted against it...

it is simply a hit and run attack that is typical lately, with no basis in reality. do you not think this is misleading, regardless of your opinion of some of her stances on other issues not outlined in the OP?

the OP is MIA. i wonder why?

[Crabby Appleton]

11. HRC voted against MCA 2006

s.3930 vote

[k_jerome]

12. exactly....but we need a post that challenges her on repealing it..

its all about Hillary.

[knight_of_the_star]

21. Maybe because of her past history

And that she seems all too keen to take actions for purely political reasons a little too often. Nothing wrong with holding someone's feet to the fire just in case.

[rhett o rick]

13. I went to bed. This is HRC's opportunity to show her true colors.

She can cosponsor the "Restoring the Constitution Act of 2007".

[k_jerome]

14. so she voted against the torture bill...

yet she needs to show you her true colors on the torture bill?

[rhett o rick]

28. Yes. If she is against the MCA then she should be out in front in supporting

the Restoration of the Constitution Act. She should cosponsor. I hope she does but i doubt she will. Restoring the Constitution is most likely too controversial and her advisor's will tell her not to co-sponsor. I thank her for voting against the MCA, but as you know, voting against a bill that is sure to pass doesn't by itself mean much. As I said, this is an opportunity for her to make it clear she supports the Constitution.

[karynnj]

15. She did vote against it - and I posted this in a similar thread yesterday

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 2nd Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate


Vote Summary

Question: On Passage of the Bill (S. 3930 As Amended )
Vote Number: 259 Vote Date: September 28, 2006, 06:37 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: S. 3930
Measure Title: A bill to authorize trial by military commission for violations of the law of war, and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs 65
NAYs 34
Not Voting 1
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State


Alphabetical by Senator Name Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Nay
Bayh (D-IN), Nay
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Nay
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Nay
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Nay
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Nay
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Nay
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Nay
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Nay
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Jeffords (I-VT), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Kohl (D-WI), Nay
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Nay
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Nay
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Nay
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Not Voting
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Talent (R-MO), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Nay

Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State


Grouped By Vote Position YEAs ---65
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Burr (R-NC)
Carper (D-DE)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

NAYs ---34
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Chafee (R-RI)
Clinton (D-NY)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 1
Snowe (R-ME)

Also - she voted for the Spector, Byrd, Rockefeller, and Kennedy amendments that all would have improved ascpects of the bill, but all of which failed on essentially party line votes.

I am not a Hillary supporter, but I hate disinformation. Somethings are opinion, votes aren't.

[k_jerome]

17. that is my point, if she is going to be called out, at least have the facts straight. nt.

[karynnj]

18. I was just backing you up

She did vote the way all of us here want on all 5 votes. The only problem is a gaffe she made when she told the New York Daily News that torture was ok if someone had information on an imminent attack. This allowed McCain, whose bill allows torture, to take the high ground and point out that torture doesn't work and is wrong. (I think this was the biggest gaffe of 2006 made by anyone.)

[k_jerome]

19. sorry, not criticizing you, the OP is misleading and meant to attack with no basis in fact. nt.

[karynnj]

20. Likewise, I should have made clear that I was opposing the op

[rhett o rick]

27. Not clear to me what you are opposing.

If HRC is against the MCA as she previously voted then she will certainly support the repeal bill. Do you disagree with that?

[rhett o rick]

23. How was this post an attack? Yes she voted against the bill. So it should

be easy for her to support the repeal. How is that an attack.

[k_jerome]

5. ??. nt.

[knight_of_the_star]

6. It is THE test for anyone trying

Anyone in the Senate anyway. Honestly I can't say, Hillary seems to be too much of a weathervane, she most likely won't co-sponsor but will vote for it if it looks like it has the votes to pass. She'll probably try to be on the winning side of this, if it doesn't get the publicity it deserves who can say?

[rhett o rick]

29. I agree completely. nm

[The Magistrate]

16. Since Sen. Clinton Voted Against The Bill You Want Repealed, Sir

This is a rather odd and pointless effort....

[zulchzulu]

24. Can I burn my American flag boxer shorts without getting arrested?

I ask that simple question first...

[rhett o rick]

26. Yes, but I hope u have the good sense to remove them first. nm

[rhett o rick]

25. Yes I am well aware she voted against the MCA and that is commendable.

But as we all know voting against a bill destined to pass isn't necessary definitive. I am sure she is against the MCA and all this post was intended to do is state that she now has an opportunity to show us that her vote against the bill was meaningful. She should have no trouble cosponsoring the repeal. I am sorry that some have interpreted this post as an attack on HRC. It was not meant to be. I certainly hope she supports the repeal.