Dear Senator Clinton, we all lived through 9/11...PS Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11

[ProSense]

Dear Senator Clinton, we all lived through 9/11, thank you very much. PS Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11.

by John in DC - 2/06/2007 10:36:00 AM

A lot of folks didn't notice that Hillary gave an interview last week about Iraq that read like George Bush at his worst. Not only did she lecture Democratic voters about how Iraq is tied to September 11 - which it most certainly is not - but she then one upped herself by chastising the other Democratic candidates, and we presume their supporters, over the fact that SHE was alive on September 11, and apparently we weren't:

Snip...

"As a senator from New York, I lived through 9/11 and I am still dealing with the aftereffects," Clinton said. "I may have a slightly different take on this from some of the other people who will be coming through here."

Snip...

With all due respect, that's a load of crap. As a resident of Washington, DC I too lived through September 11 and have been dealing with the aftereffects. I watched the Pentagon burn outside my window the entire day, so spare me the "you lived through September 11 and I didn't" crap. Secondly, I suspect every American alive on that day was scared to death and worried about their lives and their loved ones and their country. It is beyond hubris to suggest that somehow Mrs. Clinton suffered more than the rest of us, and even worse, she implies that we didn't suffer at all.

We don't have a problem with Hillary, here at AMERICAblog. Other than John Kerry, who has now left the presidential race, we don't have firm views about any of the candidates (though Biden gives us the willies). Sure, we have concerns about all of candidates, to varying degrees, and we have things we like about each of them - but we have written off no one, and we most certainly are not Hillary-haters.

But.

Invoking September 11 when asked about Iraq is unconscionable. It is pure Dick Cheney, and an outright lie. It is not what a Democrat says, and hell, it isn't even what a sane moderate Republican says. I have no idea what Senator Clinton was trying to telegraph in her speech - who exactly doesn't think that we're engaged in a war against heartless enemies? - but speaking as a blog that has a pretty damn good record of treating her fairly, she really crossed the line on this one.

Don't question our patriotism, and don't talk like George Bush, or this is going to be a very problematic race.

Note Aravosis' "Other than John Kerry" comment. Well, Aravosis is a big hypocrite himself.

In May 2005, he started whining about Kerry. Why?

Aravosis' views are known (though he never acknowledges that Kerry was one of only 14 Senators to vote against DOMA in 1996, and the only one up for reelection}:

Unfortunately, too many of our so-called friends haven't been much better. Bill Clinton signaled it was okay for Democrats to jump on the gay-bashing bandwagon when he told Kerry to support the amendment. (Let's see how far his wife tries to stray from us.)
link

The thing is, you signed the gay-bashing Defense of Marriage Act. You crowed about your support of DOMA in radio ads. You continue to support DOMA to this day. And you reportedly told John Kerry to throw us overboard last year on the state constitutional amendment issue in order to help him get elected president.

So where do you get off now accusing someone else of being a hypocrite on gay issues relating to marriage?

Look, we all know you couldn't give a damn about gay marriage. I'm sure you support it. You're not exactly a prude about relationships. The Republicans forced you into signing DOMA, we get it. But you're not in office anymore, and you still haven't renounced or even regretted your signing of DOMA. You could have said the truth, you could have come clean, you could have simply told the American people "look, the Republicans have risen gay-bashing to an art and put me in a spot where I had to sign it, and I regret that I did." I mean, how hard is that?

But you didn't.

Maybe it's because you're worried you'll put Hillary in a bad position - she'll then have to either agree with you about DOMA being a bad thing, and be seen as a Democrat who's not afraid to actually take a firm position on a matter of principle regardless of the polls, or she'll have to disagree with you and risk being seen as, uh, not your lackey.

link...

As for Aravosis' hypocrisy on Kerry, well check here and here

Kerry is a class act
by John in DC - 11/02/2004 10:52:56 AM

From DailyKos:

So I'm watching the rally on C-Span. As Kerry walks the line after the rally, shaking hands and signing autographs, a young guy starts telling him all the things he's done for Kerry -- raising money, etc. Kerry hears the kid out, then takes off his tie and gives it to him. I had to rewind on TiVo to catch the exchange. It's the little, unheralded details that truly matter. Classy.

[lligrd]

1. No Kidding, Every American Lived Through 9/11

except the ones that died on 9/11. We all watched in horror then wondered what this meant and if our city would be the next to be attacked. And waited for leadership while our pResident read a goat book. And then... hid in an airplane.

Meanwhile, our VP took cover in a bunker. Good friggen grief, instead of reassuring Americans that we were in good hands (isn't that the role of a leader) they go into hiding.

And when they do finally emerge they offer us the sound advice of "go shopping for duct tape and plastic."

I don't recall Clinton being immediately available either but at least in the days following she did look like a leader.

And when the lies began, Clinton was right there pushing them too.

Apparently, she still is.

Not the kind of leadership I am looking for.

[job777]

79. Agree

You pretty much nailed it. My only question is, why does she
always have to play the victim?

[EST]

2. Maybe my antenna isn't tuned to the right frequency or maybe

I am just too common to draw some necessary inferences, but I think there has to be some shooting at shadows or mental telepathy going on here.

Now, I don't like Hillary for some very good reasons and, in my own opinion, well reasoned ones, rather than knee jerk reactions to imagined slights.

I read through the extract of her answers and I don't see whatever it is they are complaining about. The assumptions about who was affected by 911 are obvious and understandable but the connections that she presumably made between the bin Laden attacks and the Iraq debacle are not so clear.

I do not intend to vote for her but this attack on her seems a red herring, a shadow conflict originating in the writer's mind and not there for someone with less of an agenda.

[greyl]

3. I heartily agree. nt

[wyldwolf]

4. that is their goal - baffle you with bullshit. There is a big market for anti-Hillary stuff

...and a lot of the buyers are on the left.

[ProSense]

7. There is a bigger market for anti-Kerry stuff

...and a lot of the buyers are on the left.

A lot of it was bullshit as I point out in the OP.

[Tellurian]

21. PROSENSE-WHY DO YOU CONTINUE POSTING RW PROPAGANDA?

If your so enthralled with FOX NEWS and Right Wing articles move to the FREE Republic and Take your supporters with you!

[Mass]

25. Not sure why she posted this, but the source is not RW.

John in DC and kos are definitively not RW. They are the ones who reported FOX.

[Tellurian]

27. You mean you think Triangulating articles is ok?

Do you really think John's opine is supportive of Senator Clinton?

[Mass]

28. No, it is not, but is there a rule that says that we have to be supportive of her

any more than of any other Dems here?

And this was NOT my point anyway. My point was that you were wrong. The source that was used in the OP was not Fox, but a very left wing blogger. But you may agree with the OP that left wing and right wing are the same.

[Tellurian]

29. Check out the consensus of opinion here..

We can all see it- How do you justify posting John's response when we don't even know who John is?
Unless, you're speculating it's John Kerry.

[Mass]

31. John Aravosis, as you would have known had you spent exactly two seconds clicking on the link

or reading the post (and probably know, but this would prevent you to make an absurd argument - Nobody here thought John meant John Kerry, only a fool would have).

I do not like John A., so I would not consider his post as significative, and this is why I did not say anything either in this thread (I was busy reading kos's thread posted downthread who says the same thing).

But may be you should put ProSense on ignore if you cannot be bothered reading her posts to the end before you answer.

[Tellurian]

36. So, why bother posting John's article if it's of no significance?

Normally, if you're trying to make your point clear, you don't post conflicting information
to muddy the water. Unless, your motives are just that to 'muddy the waters'.

[paulk]

41. perhaps the misunderstanding comes because

"prosense" has posted articles from known right wingers and right wing sources to attack HRC with.

[ProSense]

44. There you go again with the accusations. n/t

[paulk]

48. it is the truth.

here you use the Wall Street Journal editorial page - a source with a well known right wing bias -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3101175

here you post an article by Cal Thomas, right wing hate monger -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3095115

[ProSense]

50. Two posts that when right over your head, and

I'm guessing deliberately because any criticism of Hillary is a RW attack in your opinion! Got anything else?

[paulk]

53. so you resort to a personal attack

because you have no other defence.

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This is not about Hillary, it's about you.

The tactic of attacking a Democrat using a right wing source speaks for itself.

[ProSense]

61. No the OP is about Hillary!

It's Aravosis' opinion, it's his post. He cited the quote and took issue with it.

Take it up with Aravosis.

An FYI, Hillary Clinton is not off limits to criticism. So anticipate more of it. It's impossible to hold leaders accountable if they're off limits to criticism. You can take issue with the OP and post your opinion, but you seem bent on making this about me. It's about Hillary, and the issue a left blogger has with her comment. Trying to term everything a RW attack is silly.

As far as the other two post, I made the point in those threads.

You can find hundreds of examples where I've posted RW or media attacks on Kerry to refute them. Refute the point instead of becoming overly defensive and trying to make this about me.

[paulk]

65. you're not doing this to criticize HRC

you're doing it to destroy her candidacy, if you can. Some criticism, the type used to help evaluate, can be a positive thing. That can't be said about what you offer. There is nothing positive about what you're doing, and, if HRC does win the nomination, your type of constant negative attacks could have unforeseen effects in the general election.


I never said anything about this article being a right wing attack. I just mentioned that it might be construed as one by poster's not familiar with Aravosis, since you have posted right wing sources to "criticize" Clinton with before.


I'm not becoming "overly defensive" over any of this. That is a particularly shallow attempt on your part to define this conversation, and I trust the majority of members at this website will see through it.

[ProSense]

66. Do you seriously believe my posts here on DU can destroy Clinton's candidacy?

Be real! Criticism isn't meant to be positive, it can be constructive, but it isn't positive.

[paulk]

68. The real question is - do you?

If you don't, why are you making them?

Or are your objectives... more petty, perhaps? Maybe you're just the disgruntled supporter of another (former) candidate, and you're taking out your bile on Clinton?

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I do believe that the constant trashing Kerry received from from the progressive blogosphere hurt him in the general election, and that the same would hold true, if HRC is the candidate, this time around.

[ProSense]

69. Again, you compare criticism to trashing!

I have an opinion. As far as I know, I am free to express it.

I think you're spending way too much time trying to psychoanalyze me. Seriously, I criticized Hillary Clinton. In your book does that make me the same as a wingnut?

[Name removed]

71. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ProSense]

72. "I'm not trying to psychoanalyze you. I'm trying to destroy your credibility. "

I suppose you think this enhances yours in your twisted endeavor?

[paulk]

75. At least I don't come on here day after day trashing a Democrat

like you do.

As for credibility - that's up to the other posters on this board.

Judging by the responses in this thread, you're not doing that well.

[ProSense]

76. Why?

Because four people hijacked it?

[paulk]

77. LOL

You post shit from some left wing whacko (there, I said - happy now?) site and when people have the {i]temerity{/i] to disagree you call that "hijacking"????????

[Democrafty]

67. Well said.

There are arguments to be made either way, so make them. There are reasons there are rules about not dissing other DUers - it's lazy and unnecessary.

[ProSense]

43. Cap lock? Aravosis is not a RW source, so calm down. n/t

[AtomicKitten]

5. agreed

And it requires hip boots to wade through it here at DU.

[ProSense]

6. It wasn't just that writer:

Hillary pulls a Cheney

[EST]

24. Goes to show that even so-called progressive opinionaters

are not above spinning and misleading, even outright lying, if they have an agenda or some rationalization that the end justifies the means.

[mtnsnake]

8. If anyone ever spun Kerry like how you spin Hillary 24/7, you'd whail like babies

I notice that every time you paste quotes about Hillary, you slice & dice her speech and paste lone sentences adjacent to your own propaganda in your never ending lame attempts at trying in vain to make her look hawkish. What you don't do is paste any of her quotes in the proper context with other important quotes by her conveniently left out by you.

The same people always whine about the truth, yet you paint false pictures of Hillary 24/7 by pasting chopped portions of articles about her and pasting them next to incoherent outbursts of your own slanted propaganda which results in nothing but feeble spin, spin which unfortunately some naive fools seem to always believe and always support out of nothing more than blind hatred.

Then when you're not crucifying Hillary with your spin, you try to spin John Kerry as some sort of a perfect god by pasting every single one of his emails on this forum as if they were major speeches he made in the media. Funny how you rarely see him getting coverage of anything he says in person in a major speech anywhere. Oh wait, that's because he only talks tough in emails. I forgot.

What you need to realize is that Hillary is the front runner, and maybe that will help you to overcome your collective jealousy of her. Get used to it and wake up to the fact that she's a winner. Whether Hillary would've creamed the imbecile in 2004 nobody will ever know, but one thing she wouldn't have done is roll over and play dead when the swifties were attacking. She would've fought back and put them in their proper places. At least if she gets the nod, at the very least we'll have someone who will fight tooth and nail, unlike the nightmare we experienced last time.

[bonito]

11. Hillary is the corporate msm front runner

DLC AIPAC neocon sponsored, and yes, she will be fighting tooth and nail for them.
This is not what we need in the white house ever again, Clinton and Lieberman peddle the same boat.

[wyldwolf]

12. Hillary is the Democratic frontrunner, the choice of more Dems than any other candidate

face it. There will never be a far left socialist Chavez loving weakling president from the Democratic party.

[bonito]

14. What are you talking about?

Who fits that bill?

[wyldwolf]

15. just responding to your baseless "neocon" charge

But I would say someone like Kucinich fits the the bill.

Amazing how some can spew all manner of bullshit about centrist Dems and seem baffled and wounded when someone attacks back.

[bonito]

16. AIPAC and the neocons are in bed together

With their agenda or didn't you know that?

[wyldwolf]

18. far lefties and Latin American dictators are in bed together

With their agenda or didn't you know that?

[bonito]

19. Whats that got to do about 08?

[wyldwolf]

22. you tell me. You started it

[martymar64]

73. Chavez would be a better President than a Right Wing Warmonger like Hillary

At least he wouldn't take his orders from AIPAC. And he at least tries to alleviate the poverty of his people. HRC is just another Brahmin working to preserve the status quo.

[mtnsnake]

13. Hillary is the reason someone else wussed out.

Hopefully Obama hangs in there to give her some competition. Edwards is looking very strong right now, too.

[blm]

30. Kerry isn't scared of ANYONE - he knew he couldn't focus on ending this war if every move he made

was pushed thru the unfair filter media has for him as a presidential candidate.


If you understood even one thing about Kerry and his 35 year history you would know that. But you don't, so you say dumb attacks and use verbs like 'wuss' when his entire history has proved the exact opposite.

Wusses don't call for a president to get rid of Sec of Defense. Wusses wait a few years till the polls show it's a very popular issue and THEN tell the Sec of Defense he needs to lose his job. STILL not addressing the president who she has sided with more often than not on his military decisions.

[Mass]

32. ignore him. You are playing his game, that is all.

[mtnsnake]

39. Uhhhm, I think blm has a mind of her own, does she not?

If she wants to ignore me, she doesn't need you to give her any worldly advice. Do you always boss people around like that?

[karynnj]

17. I think you misinterpreted her post

the point is that the left (Americablog in particular) is distorting Hillary, as they did Kerry.

[mtnsnake]

23. I was addressing her, the article's author, & all the sheep who fall for it

By posting articles like this all the time, which take segments of what Hillary said and pasting them next to their own opinionated spin (the author of the aricle), it comes off as nothing more than fostering the idea that Hillary is some kind of a war monger, which she isn't. It happens all the time and by the same people who are bent at painting a false image of her here on this forum.

[beachmom]

9. I just want to address the Kerry part of your OP

I never read Americablog because the posters are as emotionally stupid as Andrew Sullivan (although he tends to shed his hate skin weekly, so it's bash Bush one week and bash lib Dems the next). They basically threw out an entire record of defending gay rights based on one Boston Globe gotcha moment, and that is just plain stupid analysis. They can be all purist "gay marriage" or bust all they want. That doesn't change the fact that ANY politician who advocates civil unions that contain all the rights gay marriage affords, is a FRIEND to the gay community, and maybe it would be smarter to recognize your friends, because the real ENEMIES are greater at this time. I live in Virginia where a draconian hate amendment was passed overwhelmingly the same year Jim Webb got elected to the Senate. So by simple math, one has to conclude that a significant percentage of folks voting for Webb, voted for the hate amendment, which not only banned gay marriage, but civil unions, too (it also seems to ban heterosexual couples from affording rights even if they live together and have children together). That's the f***ing reality, dumbasses at Americablog! So if you want to continue to bash friends to your cause like John Kerry, go right ahead. But if you're attacked, you can be damned sure that Kerry will be fighting for your rights -- and that's in the workplace, in the hospital, in the military, and so on.

I favor gay marriage, and think it should be called gay marriage. However, I think civil unions is the first stepping stone for most states, and at this time, it is a doable goal in a lot of blue states. I am Generation X, so I think that perhaps in 30 years, when we're all in our 60s, that gay marriage will become a reality in huge portions of the country. And that is DUE to the 2004 candidate coming out in favor of civil unions and the U.S. Senate voting against the hate amendment every time it came up, as a signal that the times WILL change.

[ProSense]

45. Exactly. n/t

[izzybeans]

10. nor did Iran.

[PhilipShore]

20. Every pro war speech she gives--- she gets a PNAC million $$$ reward

[mtnsnake]

26. oh for chrise sake

This is just what I mean. Out of whack articles get posted and the sheep go baaahhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHH

[paulk]

42. prove it

posts like your's don't hurt HRC. Most will see it for what it is -

hate speech.

[PhilipShore]

46. Senator Scoop Jackson(-D) Father of the Neocons, Father of the DLC....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=printer_friendly&forum=104&topic_id=3194295
Democratic Underground Forums

many of whom are still Democrats. Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz are still registered Democrats TO THIS DAY. Some of his proteges left and went to the Republicans, some stayed behind. The Coalition for a Democratic Majority, forerunner of the DLC was founded by Scoop's people too. There's so much info available if you have the time to read: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2004-37%2CGGLD%3Aen&q=%22Coalition+for+a+Democratic+Majority%22&btnG=Search
I'd suggest people start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_for_a_Democratic_Majority if they want to examine the connections between the DLC and CDM. By the way, these are the same people who brought us the war against Yugoslavia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Action_Committee Don't any of you buy that that was any more of a humanitarian mission than Iraq. There's not a damn humanitarian bone in these people's bodies- they just spun it better because people were asleep and no one questioned the media's lies.

Sick stuff. All of this is real sick stuff.

Scoop Jackson... How big do we want that tent?

Dear Scoop was also father of the Coalition for a Democratic Majority http://rightweb.irc-online.org/groupwatch/cpd.php
which is the forerunner of the DLC.


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What is PNAC ?

http://www.democrats.com/node/9116


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Chicken Hawk Bill Kristol Lets the Cat Out of the Bag: Iraq "Surge" Might Take an Additional Five Divisions (50,000 to 75,000 Soldiers)
Reported by Marie Therese - January 20, 2007 - 199 comments


http://www.newshounds.us/2007/01/20/chicken_hawk_bill_kristol_lets_the_cat_out_of_the_bag_iraq_surge_might_take_an_additional_five_divisions_50000_to_75000_soldiers.php

Last week on FOX News Sunday Dick Cheney said that this struggle may take up to 40 years to complete. Cheney deliberately sabotaged peace overtures from Iran at a time when we held all the cards (December 2003) and were in a strong position to get most of our demands met. What exactly is his agenda?

Now Bill Kristol - who's as thick as thieves with the entire neocon establishment - is telling the American people - loud and clear - that 20,000 soldiers are merely the first installments in a long-term, ill-advised and possibly insane attempt to mold the Middle East into a western democracy.

In an interesting aside, it seems that Bill Kristol is not the only one who thinks Dave Petraeus is the cat's meow. According to the following exchange on the January 7th edition of Hardball with Chris Matthews, Senator Hillary Clinton is also quite a fan of his.

[wyldwolf]

47. nothing your wrote even mentions she gets a PNAC million $$$ reward

[PhilipShore]

49. How about all the free publicity/PR ads she gets from the MSM?

That has to be worth much more then a million $$$. Just by being a hawk Republican/Democrat gets her all the corporate money from the Military-Industrial-Complex corporations, worth Billions. Have you seen the recent war budgets? In the trillions of $$$.

Read the research done about them, and then follow the money that funded these Think Tanks.

Do you really think these DLC politicians go into public service --- to serve the public?

[paulk]

52. you are completely full of shit

you haven't made a single point that backs up anything you've claimed.

it's just more of the same uber lefty boilerplate nonsense.

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[PhilipShore]

55. Prove that she is not in the pocket of the DLC and the Military-Industrial-Complex

[paulk]

59. you made the accusation

you prove it.

that's debate 101, kid.

[PhilipShore]

62. I never took debate 101.... Well , why do you think she...

is not a DLC/PNAC puppet? I am not the only one that has this question.

[paulk]

64. I'm not interested in talking to you any more

anyone who equates the DLC with the PNAC is just here on this board to disrupt, AFAIC.

You've already wasted too much of my time.

I'm putting you on ignore, because you have nothing to say.


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go hide under a bridge somewhere...

[wyldwolf]

58. how does that equate to a PNAC million $$$ reward?

[PhilipShore]

63. She provides pro war info to the public --- she is then rewarded...

with pro Hillary Clinton ads (free PR) by the MSM. If she had to pay for the ads they are worth --- well in addition --- to a million $$$.

[wyldwolf]

70. there have been no free ads for Hillary. Completely ridiculous belief

[martymar64]

74. This is something the Right Wingers here on DU try to ignore

They are slobbering in anticipation of starting a war with Iran. They miss the Shock and Awe. They were the Lieberman supporters before he left the Party. They like the status quo of conditions in this country, but would rather have a dictator with a D in front of the name instead of an R. They are pro-war, anti-labor and just want all of us unwashed masses to just shut up and vote the way they tell us to and gladly go into the ME as cannon fodder for their wars. Ralph Nader was right in that respect.

[petgoat]

33. As a Senator from New York, Hillary had the opportunity to

mount the bully pulpit and show some leadership.

"I just toured Ground Zero yesterday. No one is more aware of the terrorist
threat than I am, but I think we should read this USAPatriot Act before enacting
it."

"No one is more concerned with bringing the perpetrators of 9/11 to justice than
I am, which is why this Administration's reluctance to have an investigation
conducted by an independent commission disturbs me greatly."

"I am greatly disappointed in the 9/11 Commission report. Of 300 questions provided
by the 9/11 family members, 200 got no response at all. I think the family members
deserve answers. Why was there no air defense for 100 minutes on 9/11? Why did
the Commission decline to "follow the money"? What about building 7? How can the
Commission claim that the core of the towers was a hollow tube? What about the reports
that six of the alleged hijackers are still alive? Why were warnings from 13 foreign
countries, 3 FBI offices, the CIA and the FAA ignored?"

[AtomicKitten]

34. Is there a reason blog blatherings are considered gospel?

I really don't understand why people here at DU seem unwilling or uninterested in formulating their own opinion. Instead we see blog pieces, somebody else's opinion, posted here time and time again, meticulously referenced, as if someone else's opinion has more validity than our own.

This OP is like a sewn-together Frankenstein mish-mash of blog blatherings that is supposed to, what?, articulate the OP's opinion disguised as gospel? It is blog, therefore, it is so - is that it?

For a group of people that frequently toot their own horns about how informed they are, who have no problem reaching for whatever material they can find to build an obsequious post and pass it off as, what?, a revelation, or take a piece or book by someone irretrievably bent in their own twisted POV and peddle it like snake oil from the back of their van, I have never read a series of more repetitive presentations of the same POV posted over and over and over again.

We get it. You hate all things Clinton. Kerry is awesome'er than God. Whatever.

Just so I don't choose watching paint dry over reading at DU anymore, for God's sake would someone please come up with an original thought.

[wisteria]

35. Senator Kerry is a class act- no one else is close. n/t

[porkrind]

37. Maybe if she's elected

We can finally address important issues like flag burning and promoting Walmart's corporate interests. :sarcasm:

[bvar22]

38. Don't forget the violence in video games!

Hillary charged to the front on this issue. Anyone who says that Hillary doesn't have leadership qualities is full of shit!

[Radical Activist]

40. I didn't know anyone who died on 9/11. I know someone who died in Iraq.

Hillary can go to hell

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

51. This is a load of Grade A,

100%, pure, unadulturated bullshit! If you visit the Daily Howler, www.dailyhowler.com, all this crap is explained as a hitjob on Hillary. I am not a Hillary supporter or detractor. Just pointing out the right has already started its mis/dis information campaign against all things Democratic.....

[paulk]

54. it's kind of sad how the right is helped in those efforts

by... certain elements of the left, don't you think?

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

57. Well, I think a lot of it

is realted to the nature of the medium. Things fly so fast and furious on the Net they get repeated as fact or Gospel. In my humble opinion, anyone wanting to live a life with progressive, liberal ideas must sift through the information very carefully.
Oftentimes we let the right define who we are..........

[ProSense]

56. "Just pointing out the right has already started its mis/dis information..."

This is the opinion of a left blogger, and he wasn't the only one who took issue with the comment.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

60. See, it's happening

between me and you already :) While he repeated it, it started over there...........

[Imagevision]

78. Bush too refused to publicly admit he had done wrong, Hil, may regret this up the road, I'm

impressed with Obama and Edwards!