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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:21 PM
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Why the Democrats won’t save us: Clinton, Edwards and Obama call for striking Iran
Feb 7, 2007, 01:13


Over the past weekend Hillary Clinton pledged to end the war in Iraq if she is elected. “If we in Congress don't end this war before January 2009, as president, I will,” she told a large crowd at the Democratic National Committee’s winter convention in Washington.

It was the first time since announcing her candidacy that Hillary acknowledged the growing movement against the war when discussing Iraq, which faced its bloodiest period since the invasion almost four years ago with over 1,000 reported deaths in the last seven days alone. Also in attendance at the DNC meeting were other presidential hopefuls, including John Edwards and Sen. Barack Obama, who both attempted to paint themselves as the best antiwar candidate in the hunt for the White House.

The top candidates’ tepid words on Iraq were a sign of what’s to come over the next year and a half as their rhetorical talents are turned on high. Despite Obama’s reassurance that he did not support the war from the beginning, along with Edwards’ claims that he’s had a change of heart on his past pro-war votes -- neither candidate distinguished their position from the Bush administration when it came to the looming Iran confrontation.

In fact two weeks earlier, while visiting Israel, Edwards laid out his position on Iran quite succinctly: “Let me be clear: Under no circumstances can Iran be allowed to have nuclear weapons . . . The vast majority of people are concerned about what is going on in Iraq. This will make the American people reticent toward going for Iran. But I think the American people are smart if they are told the truth, and if they trust their president. So Americans can be educated to come along with what needs to be done with Iran.”

Hillary Clinton pushed virtually the same bitter line while addressing the annual AIPAC convention held in New York City last week. “U.S. policy must be clear and unequivocal: We cannot, we should not, we must not permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons,'' Clinton told the crowd of Israel supporters. “In dealing with this threat . . . no option can be taken off the table.''

Barack Obama has also been upfront about how he would deal with Iran, arguing that he would not rule out the use of force and supports surgical strikes of alleged nuclear sites in the country if diplomacy (read: coercion) fails. To put it bluntly, none of the front running Democrats are opposed to Bush’s dubious “war on terror” or his bullying of Iran. They support his aggression in principle but simply believe a Democratic presidency could handle the job more astutely. All put Israel first and none are going to fundamentally alter U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East.

Times like these require bravery. They require a fight. A fight against immoral and illegal policies. A fight against tyranny. A fight for freedom. Freedom from hatred. Freedom from occupation. Americans and the people of the Middle East deserve better than Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and Barack Obama. They deserve to live their lives without the threat of warfare and bloodshed. They deserve to live without fear.

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1723.shtml


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bdrube Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:35 PM
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1. If war with Iran comes and they support it, they will not get my vote...
...even in the general election.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:42 PM
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3. They're not going to get the big bucks otherwise, Better to work for Kucinich
right now.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:42 PM
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2. They don't have my vote
Rooting for an expansion of this tragedy is inexcusable to me. So happy Clark walks to talk before fighting instead of pushing for shoot first ask questions later.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:46 PM
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4. None of them would support it
With Iraq, there is no way they would support any military action in Iran, unless they wanted to destroy their chances at getting elected.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:56 PM
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5. You are all backwards. Supporting Iran Strike = AIPAC funding
Edited on Wed Feb-07-07 07:58 PM by Flabbergasted
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:07 PM
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6. Bingo n/t
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:12 PM
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7. So Kucinich would rule out the use of force against Iran no matter what Iran does?
When did he say this? Link?
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:21 PM
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10. Kucinich would make the right decision under the circumstances
He would not support a unnecessary preemptive strike. He would not say vain words for funding.

I can supply links that would indicate his integrity:

http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20020506&s=te...

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0226-09.htm

More if you wish.

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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:14 PM
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8. Oh fer chrissake!
Not ONE of them "call for striking Iran". All any of them have said is that they will not rule anything out, including military action, should it prove necessary.

I'm not terribly thrilled about the way any of these three portray their position on Iran but I am even less thrilled with the constant (and fallacious) smearing of Democratic candidates on this board, usually done by someone who supports another candidate. It's ridiculous, it's dishonest, it's hurtful, and it needs to stop.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:24 PM
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11. How do you think you get funding from AIPAC. They're either lying to them or lying to you.
I don't trust them. If you do, go ahead but I think its a fools errand.

I will not stop "smearing" if its exactly the truth.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:36 PM
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14. And you think I don't know that?
What you said ISN'T the truth. That's what I have a problem with. THE OP said they all "call for striking Iran", when in fact they said no such thing. Criticism is perfectly fair, but making shit up is not.

For the record I haven't trusted any politician since I was nine years old, and these three are no different. In fact, if I had to put a numerical value on how much trust any of them receive from me Kucinich would rank a good deal higher than any of them. I voted for the man in 2004.

My objection has nothing to do with trust. It is about being fair and honest in evaluating candidates.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:44 PM
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16. Ok, I don't think these assholes would be getting any publicity if they weren't
towing the corporate/AIPAC line.

BTW they're statements perfectly mirror what Bush reiterates. In other words they're political will and aspiration is essentially the same.

I'm done with this double speak crap.






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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:18 PM
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9. But Kucinich is a Democrat
And the Democrats won't save us.

So Kcinich won't save us either.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:26 PM
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12. Kucinich is not one of the front runners. Big Difference. nt
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:34 PM
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13. Perhaps you should have specified
Not that "The Democrats" won't save us, but the Democratic frontrunners for President.

As you have it now, it sounds like you're putting down the entire party, when all you've mentioned is three people. Either you mean just them, or you mean the whole party. In which case, Dennis is included, what with being a Dem and all.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:39 PM
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15. I wanted to quote the article. Most will not bother to learn much about the
other candidates. I think "stirring the pot" is the only way to emphasize the need for a change in American paradigm.
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:49 PM
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17. Oh no!! Who will save us now?
Edited on Wed Feb-07-07 08:50 PM by MGD
:scared:
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