Repeat after me...Dennis Kucinich is unelectable!

[Egalitarian]

Oh, If I had a dollar for every time I heard this statement, or read it here on DU, or elsewhere, I suspect we could get the man elected!

Why is it that so many of us who like Dennis repeat this self defeating statement? I think I more or less understand the reasons we say this, but it does not serve justice to our own deepest desires nor to the health of our fragile democracy does it? I mean,

Who decides who is electable? Why it's you, and me, and the energy we send out in support of a candidate. This energy may be the only real power we have. There is absolutely no harm in jumping on board in support of Dennis during the primaries. At worst, any boost to him will only help push other candidates towards his platform will it not?

So, I propose that we make a concerted effort to stop using this phrase. Rather, I would like to suggest we all repeat the following phrase(or create your own if you like) until we are reprogrammed:

Dennis Kucinich: The greatest threat to the status quo in 2008.(repeat)

Dennis Kucinich: The greatest threat to the status quo in 2008.(repeat)

Dennis Kucinich: The greatest threat to the status quo in 2008.(repeat)

Dennis Kucinich: The greatest threat to the status quo in 2008.(repeat until sufficiently ingrained as a response to all pessimistic tendancies).

For more info on Dennis visit www.Kucinich.us

Finally, while I have no authority to prevent otherwise, I kindly request that all persons with "Dennis is not electableitis" close this thread immediately and move along.

Cheers,
Egalitarian

[xultar]

1. I love Dennis. I love his voice. I'd vote for him if he gets the nom...happily!

[beyurslf]

2. Those who decide who is electable is more than you and me. It is more

than those of us who frequent these pages. We need about 50 million other people, spread out correctly among the states, to elect someone president.

[Egalitarian]

5. Yes,

I guess the point I'd like to convey is that those of us who like Dennis but repeat the talking point that he is not electable do a dis-service to both our own dreams and the policies he stands for. Our energy is a phenomena that spreads far beyond the pages of DU.

[Katherine Brengle]

45. Exactly... the entire concept of "electability" is based on looking at the entire

voting population and determining the probability that this is possible.

Kucinich is a great man, and we would be lucky to have a president half as great, but DU isn't exactly the centrist capital of the US - obviously we are more likely than the majority of the population to support a candidate like Dennis.

Not saying we shouldn't vote our conscience, but remember that in the end, winning IS important.

[hijinx87]

3. I don't know if he is electable or not. only an actual election can really determine that

the problem is that he has declared that he will run as hard
against "the democratic establishment" as the rethugs.

That will likely mean that the eventual nominee comes out of
the primaries damaged with the party's base. that is no way
to start a general election.

[Egalitarian]

7. First I've heard of this

Do you have a link?

[hijinx87]

11. it was posted here. I will look it up. n/t

[hijinx87]

12. here is the link

A DU link from this forum, which in turn cites the boston globe.

As Kucinich launches a second bid for the White House he said his campaign would be against the Democratic establishment as much as against Republican policies. Kucinich describes the national campaign waged by the Democratic Party in 2004 as "fearful" and too easily "pushed around by political forces into positions.” He says he wants to change that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3033478

[Egalitarian]

17. Thanks.

Here's a little more extracted from the article:

As Kucinich launches a second bid for the White House he said his campaign would be against the Democratic establishment as much as against Republican policies. Kucinich describes the national campaign waged by the Democratic Party in 2004 as "fearful" and too easily "pushed around by political forces into positions.” He says he wants to change that.


“The American people have a hunger for genuine principled leadership,” Kucinich said. “They are looking for someone to stand up and tell the truth and not say what a pollster or consultant said to say.”

I wish he would have chosen his words a little more thoughtfully here. For instance, "my campaing will be to invigorate the democratic establishment with principled leadership as much as against Republican policies". Oh well, I've always been a dreamer...

[hippywife]

9. That's not true.

His run all the way to the end in 2004 didn't damage anything. It actually swayed the Dem candidates to be a little more progressive.

And I think when he talks Dem establishment he means the DLC insiders who are more interested in protecting their seats than looking out for you or me. They exist and they do need to be run against very hard.

[hijinx87]

14. he seemed to be talking about john kerry, at least indirectly. n/t

[hippywife]

15. I get the impression

he was talking not about Kerry himself but about the forces that thrust Kerry in the position to be the front runner. I really don't think he was the peoples' choice going into the primaries. It always did smack of some backroom manipulation.

I'm not saying that's what he's saying but that's my read on the whole situation.

[hijinx87]

18. whatever he is saying, it is worthy of alarm.

maybe he was carried away with the moment. maybe he was just
trying to fire up his base. but I haven't seen his comments
clarified since he made them; they are just hanging out there.

[hippywife]

21. During the 2004 campaign

he talked about congressional representatives who were "placeholders." In other words, elected officials who do nothing for the common man but only keep their seats warm and have only their career in mind. They promise big things but once they're in, those things disintegrate. You know them and I know them, they exist on both sides of the aisle. There's no denying it.

Off to bed for me! Have a good night! :hi:

[beyurslf]

23. We had many primary elections in 2004. He didn't win any.

[peacebird]

4. I would vote for Kucinich given the chance. I would vote for Richardson, Edwards, or Gore.

I would vote for any Dem candidate - but I would be enthusiastic for Dennis or Gore!

Well actually I wouldn't vote for ANY Dem candidate - there is one I simply will not vote for.... HRC.

Hopefully she will not be our nominee. But Kucinich is a compelling speaker, and he has integrity - isn't honesty, intelligence and integrity electable?

[Wwagsthedog]

16. Agreed, except for edwards

he's a foreign agent man. Go figure.

[oberliner]

79. What does "he's a foreign agent man" mean? re: Edwards nt

[Jackpine Radical]

19. Lotsa people hope HRC drops out early--or late, for that matter--

nevertheless, if she is the nominee, I'll vote for her. Won't be the first Clinton I voted for while holding my nose.

[Contrite]

88. Not Richardson.

Richardson blocked the 2004 recount in NM, remember?

[LoZoccolo]

6. "Why it's you, and me, and the energy we send out in support of a candidate."

I think you do have it right in saying that it is yours and mine to take responsibility, but I think it will take more than energy.

[illinoisprogressive]

8. the people who support him won't accept this.

I don't care about him. I think he is kind of weird but, if someone wants to vote for him, go for it.

[Egalitarian]

10. the people who support him won't accept this...

I don't understand. Will you elaborate?

[Greyhound]

71. And the "weired" label you've placed on him, I'd like you to explain that as well, please.

He is not the most handsome guy, granted, but in what way do you consider him "weird"?

[Egalitarian]

13. So, what about the basic premise of this thread?

Does anyone else feel that "Dennis is not electable" is a talking point which serves no one but the status quo?

[John Q. Citizen]

31. They said the same thing about Wellstone in MN when he first ran. And he

challenged the status quo as well.

[Prophet 451]

85. Of course

It's also true. Dennis Kucinich is unelectable because he's a threat to the status quo. That means the people benefitting from the status quo would throw everything into attacking the guy in a way they perhaps wouldn't if the Dems ran someone more centerist and a public programmed to believe that "liberal" is a bad thing wouldn't vote for him because he is liberal, flamboyantly so.

Don't get me wrong. I like Kucinich a lot, I agree with him on most things and if I was eligible to vote in the US (I'm a Brit), I'd vote for him but I'm unconvinced that many others would. Essentially, your choice is between a position of principle (Kucinich) or the practicality of getting someone elected (someone more centerist). In the current political climate, I'm not sure it's possible to have both.

[fed-up]

20. Dennis IS AN ELECTABLE-(reading problem here) :) n/t

[skipos]

22. Kuc doesn't want to be President, he is running to raise issues that other candidates

may not raise. Nothing wrong with that.

[John Q. Citizen]

32. How do you know this?

[LittleClarkie]

43. It will depend on the kind of campaign he runs

and if he hires folks will little experience, as Will Pitt said.

[skipos]

51. I have talked to two people who worked for him in 2004

who indicated this. Maybe 2008 will be different. :shrug: I don't think it should be a surprise, do you think that Sharpton did everything he could to become President? People run to raise issues, which is perfectly fine.

[druidity33]

66. i'm sorry...

but i just don't believe you. The "i've talked to people who say..." line never goes over well with me on this board. Unless someone sources it, or states that it's just their opinion, it's not valid.

Do these 2 people have names?

[skipos]

74. You don't need to apologize.

I really don't care who believes me and who doesn't, as I have no strong feelings about Kucinich one way or another. Someone on DU or Kos worked for him (I forget what his position was) but will back up the theory that Kucinich had no interest in being President in 04. If you ask around, I think you can find them.

[mmonk]

24. The party establishment and the media will still work

on that unelectable theme. But I'm not buying their candidates, so will there finally be a standoff? It takes determination and conviction to go ahead and vote one's conscience instead of one's fears.

[stuntcat]

25. he is The Best, the Most Good, the Most Honest

I love him.
And I also have zero faith in voters since 2000/2004

[Porcupine]

58. True, true, but his HOUSE is too damn small.......

The Democratic candidate for president should have a house this big:


http://www.ired.com/news/winchesterhouse/photos.htm

:sarcasm:

[Radical Activist]

26. Liberals are our own worst enemies.

We could accomplish something if we weren't so self defeating and if we weren't so good at convincing ourselves that a liberal candidate can't get elected.

I'm supporting Obama this time but I get tired of the crowd that thinks we should ignore Dennis because they think he can't be elected. No one really knows what's electable. Liberals could elected almost anyone President if we all worked together for once. It will take a lot more than sending good energy though.

[Egalitarian]

27. I hear ya...

To me good energy can be as simple as asking someone who says Dennis in not electable, "Aren't we being our worst enemy when we say this?"

:-)

[OutNow]

28. Dennis Kucinich - Austin Texas - 2004

Dennis had a great fund raiser concert in Austin on January 3, 2004. The headliner was Willy Nelson. Bonnie Raitt, Michael McDonald, Trish Hinojosa, Michelle Shocked also performed. It was an incredible evening. Earlier that day there was an antiwar rally in Austin. A Howard Dean supporter was selling Dean t-shirts. Told him I wasn't interested because I supported Dennis. He sneered at me and said, "You know he's not electable".

Funny how things turn out. I haven't heard anything that would stop me from supporting Dennis in 2008. And maybe we'll have another great fund raiser in Austin for him.

BTW - I think Howard Dean is doing a super job at the DNC.

[meldroc]

29. I'm blaming the media for a lot of this...

They seem to have already anointed Hilary as the nominee, and are keeping Obama and Edwards as backups or VP candidates.

Doesn't surprise me since Hilary's more of a DINO than the others (and more corporate friendly...) That or they find Hilary the least electable of the candidates, and they want her to become the nominee so she can be defeated by the GOP in 2008. They're going to fawn over Hilary, give an occasional nod to Obama, then Edwards, and they won't mention Kucinich at all.

Gotta love our "left-wing-biased" media...

[alittlelark]

30. I'll be the 'bad guy' (gal)... He is on his 3rd marriage

His current wife is a FOX, and 20 years younger than he is.

He is not telegenic - there are a few good shots of him - but let's be real.



Other than 'that' he is an IDEAL candidate.
Because of 'that' he is never going to have a real shot.

I want to see him in every race and DEBATE until the end of his time....



But, no, Virginia, there is no Dennis Kulas.

[roody]

69. His wife, Elizabeth, would make a better president

than most of the candidates. She is gorgeous!!!!!! I saw them Sat night in SF. He is running to win.

[smoogatz]

81. Not telegenic?

He looks like Alfred E Newman, for God's sake. And he's about three feet tall. But what's great about Kucinich as a candidate is that he'll move the debate about three inches to the left for the fifteen minutes in which he can claim that he's actually a viable candidate--right before he finishes dead last in the first three primaries/caucuses. That slight movement to the left is a good thing, and I think his impulse to do the moving is worthy of some support. That said, will I be writing any checks to his campaign? Um----no.

[ShortnFiery]

33. I will vote for Dennis Kucinich in The Primaries ...

And I will vote for him for the Presidency, even if I have to write his name in. That's how much I'm devoted to this Peacemaker. I'm voting my conscious and no DLC bullying will convince me otherwise. :thumbsup: :hi:

[alittlelark]

34. Good Luck w/ that.... for US

whimsy votes went out w/ Nader '00 .... get REAL. It's BAD - how much worse are you willing to let it become while voting for whimsy.



VOTE KUCINICH IN THE PRIMARY!!!!

If he wins, you are golden happy, if not, vote for the DEMOCRAT that WON.

[ShortnFiery]

35. No, I am considering Clark if he gets the nomination - *considering Clark*

but otherwise, I'm writing in Kucinich.

Sorry, CONSCIOUS before Party.

[alittlelark]

37. Clark is #2 after Gore - he was #1 in '04

But, I will vote for WHOMEVER the DEMOCRATIC nominee is (I pray is is Gore/ Feingold /Clark /Kucinich...)

I'm voting for the conscience of this country.

[Merrill]

36. The media is deciding ...not us

The media has selected Hillary and Obama not us. The media is a huge special interest group and they know who they want which is why they put Kerry at the top over night.

This should be a matter of major discussion for the next 700 days. Did you notice the media make the choices for the so called debates?

Notice Kucinich and the Iowa governor are rarely in the news or making headlines.

[Egalitarian]

46. Exactly, hence this post to help us see where we are.(nt)

[Prophet 451]

86. The media have always decided

At least, ever since media became corporate. Even good reporters, ones that try and stay unbiased are still answerable to editors and those editors tend to be conservative.

Problem is, we're used to thinking of media as a service provided to us as consumers. It's not. It's a service provided to advertisers with us as the product. Any advertiser wants to market his product to the widest possible audience so the media these days cater to the bottom of the demographic. Problem with allowing a dumbed-down media is that you end up with a lot of dummies. Noticing that, the media started to cover not actual issues and policies but matters of supreme unimportance like where the president kept his cigars. Of course, that then crates another media generation that thinks of politics in terms of personalities rather than policies and around we go, a repeating cycle that races itself to the bottom.

For some reason, the media took against Clinton fairly early in his presidency (I have no idea why), followed that up with mainly pleasent coverage of Georgie Boy while effectively gang-raping Gore's campaign. Some turned against Georgie in 2004, not because they disagreed with his policies but because he was an idiot who couldn't even implement those policies properly.

[MGD]

38. "Why is it that so many of us who like Dennis repeat this self defeating statement? "

Because it's true? :shrug:

He averaged about 5% of the primary votes in the 2004 election. He couldn't even win the Ohio primary. What makes you think he can do so much better in 2008?

[Hippo_Tron]

39. Dennis refuses to play the game

And that is my problem with him. Dukakis was 5'8" and funny looking and had it not been for Willie Horton he would've been elected President.

It's not that he's too short and it's not that he's too liberal. He runs horrible campaigns, doesn't care about making connections, and he doesn't make a serious attempt to raise the money needed (which can be done through grassroots and not through big donors).

I don't formulate my opinions on who is electable and who isn't. I formulate them based on what I've learned in my political science classes and from the books I've read. By all accounts Kucinich, and everyone that works for him act like they've never taken a class on campaigning in the 21st century. Either that or they know they can't win and are just trying to spread their message.

[Egalitarian]

47. Herein lies his stength and weakness to perhaps?

I can't claim to know much about running a campaign, nor about how Dennis has run his in the past.

Refusing to play the game with his platform attracts me personally. His message speaks truest to my heart. But, if he in fact carries this tactic into the running of his campaign then I acknowledge the weakness there. Perhaps we should put him to task writing/embodying a new work titled "Zen and the Art of Political Campaigning"?

[Hippo_Tron]

57. His method didn't work too well for him in 2004

I'm all for politicians saying what they believe and challenging conventional wisdom. But politics in the 21st century is very much a science and Dennis isn't challenging the wisdom of the science, he's ignoring the science completely. Dennis isn't Galileo saying that the earth revolves around the sun when conventional wisdom says that the sun revolves around the earth. Dennis is the guy who either hasn't taken Astronomy 101 or at least acts like he hasn't.

[Radical Activist]

76. In 2004 he had some good campaign staff for a while.

The ones who had actual campaign experience were eventually marginalized, fired or quit. In the end, that goes back to Dennis and his choice in campaign managers.

[saltpoint]

40. I think Dennis Kucinich is a tremendous public servant.

He's the subject of a lot of nasty criticism, even from leftist blogs.

I feel that criticism is as misplaced as it is mean-spirited.

[puebloknot]

41. If people could hear Dennis speak, in person...

...they'd be amazed. He is a compelling speaker, and he reeks of integrity.

I was involved in a promotional dinner for him here in Santa Fe, during the 2004 primaries, and a woman sitting at the table with me said she came in the door that night a Dean supporter, and she went out the door a Kucinich supporter.

During the debates before the primaries, I was constantly frustrated over Dennis's having to push his way into getting a word in edgewise. If the man had the "bully pulpit," and if he could get the news coverage he richly deserves, a lot of people would get over this "unelectable" crap, and would probably vote for him.

Weird? He's a vegan. He married a woman 30 years his junior. He hangs out with all kinds of people. He spends a lot of time in New Mexico, and there are some truly unusual people here. But they are not trying to push their views, religious or otherwise, on the whole nation.

Dennis comes across as *very* mainstream when he's addressing a crowd. That he may not choose to eat meat, that he doesn't hide his exploration of all kinds of philosophies, does not add up to his being *weird*. I happen to think there's a *great deal* of weirdness in most all the Christian religious groups. As long as they don't try to push it down my throat, I don't mind what they believe, what they eat, who they marry.

There *are* a lot of people who hang out around Dennis who assume that he espouses their particular New Age views. And they are folks who don't want nobody bringin' them no bad news. They shudder at the thought of anyone saying anything *negative*. When listening to Dennis Kucinich, I hear him addressing a lot of negative things -- war, poverty, lack of health care, the loss of our civil rights. And then he offers *real* solutions for the problems.

Now *that last statement* makes him *pretty weird* in comparison with the crowd he hangs out with in Washington, D.C.!

When people say that Dennis is "weird," I always wonder what kind of "weird" they have in mind? Compared to what?

[TheBaldyMan]

42. I think the anti-Dennis faction is trying to do him down so he becomes as unelectable as themselves

IMO Kuchininch could not only get elected (to the chagrin of the Don't Rock The Boat crowd) he would be far closer to the public mood.

I'm not a US citizen but if I was he would be the one I'd vote for.

[LittleClarkie]

44. We shall see if anyone can remember his name this time around

You can't elect someone when you can't remember their name. I remember last election, I'd hear people listing off the candidates. They'd barely remember Gepherdt, and they sorta remember the little guy but not his name, and they sometimes didn't include Braun.

[Vidar]

48. "Electable"= member of the ruling class. I would be honored to vote for Dennis.

[the other one]

49. He just seems like he's running for fun.

Oh he says all the right things, and if he could back up what he says he would be a great president as far as my politics are concerned. But he just doesn't seem serious to me. He has zero appeal beyond his passionate base, and everybody including himself seems to know it, so he gets out there and enjoys reflections of the limelight while his supporters cry about the MSM not taking his candidacy seriously.

I think if he were serious, he would shoot for governor of Ohio first (a place where he would do great for the country). If he could win that, then the MSM would HAVE to take him seriously. Seriously.

[ihelpu2see]

50. It would be great to see him beat the odds. I really was proud to see

him In DC speaking at the anti-war rally. It shows he stands up for what he believes in!!!!

[leftofthedial]

52. He is by far the best candidate, with the best record

and the strongest demonstrated commitment to Democratic ideals.

I wish he could raise enough money to be a viable candidate.

[Strawman]

53. I want proof that he's running a serious campaign

I love him on the issues, but if he is such a poor player of the game that he never will have the opportunity to deliver on any of his promises, what's the point?

If Dennis can demonstrate that he is serious about using the leverage that progressives could give him by unifying behind him, I am for him. I need to see that though. Some of the things I have seen written here by credible people about the unpreparedness of his campaign last time around concern me. There's a point where that kind of grass roots authenticity loses its charm. At some point the ability to actually deliver on promises has to matter as much as the power of those ideas. He needs to demomstrate some executive capacity in his campaign, not just make beautiful promises.

Forget about electability. If there is a social movement big enough that it could carry him from the margin of error in the polls to the nomination of one of the two major political parties, then he's electable. That is unlikely. What he could do however with a strong primary showing is give progressives a pure progressive seated at the table when this party decides what it stands for in 2008. The question is can we trust him to play the game for us smartly and not merely piss our collective influence away?

[guitartist]

54. hilary is unelectable

go kucinich!

[rinsd]

55. A non-telegenic man who has no clue how to run a national campaign is unlelectable.

I'm sorry, there are indeed reasons why Dennis Kucinich is not going to be the Democratic nominee.

He has no PR instincts.

He has no party machine mechanisms to rely on.

He is not a good fundraiser.

He has no talent surrounding him.

[Luckyduck]

60. so this is the new meme eh?

'He doesn't know how to run a campaign'

It might have something to do with the Corporate media pushing the others on US?

[rinsd]

61. The new meme?

You can read accounts right here on DU about his 2004 campaign and his staffing problems.

[roody]

70. The lovely Mrs. Kucinich is telegenic enough for both of them.

[Radical Activist]

75. Yes. And those things are his own fault.

The danger there is that Kucinich doing so badly can damage the credibility of the ideals he espouses. People will blame him doing so bad on his being liberal, which hurts all other liberals.

Dennis could almost be a serious candidate if he were serious about the staff he hired and his own personal efforts to raise more money.

[SaveElmer]

56. He is unelectable...and would make a poor President IMO...

Poor mayor with a record of preferring confrontation and very poor personnel choices, not much accomplished as a Congressman.

[StrictlyRockers]

59. Dennis is the man. Failing Jeb Bartlett running, he gets my vote!

[ellisonz]

62. Why do you want to threaten the status quo?

What good is a threat without power behind it?

[Egalitarian]

90. Because the status quo is a threat to me.

The power behind the threat exists already. The only question is whether or not the netizens and citizens of this country will effectively channel it back and forth with Dennis.

[salib]

63. Even Susan Sarandon left him out

At the march on Saturday she said something like "none of the current candidates for President are directly challenging Bush's claims in the SOTU."

[uberllama42]

64. I learned in my Political Parties class that

the definition of an electable candidate is "anyone who has previously been elected." IMO, that shows that there is really no standard for what kind of candidate is electable (and that some political scientists are really sloppy). As was much discussed in 2004, the only thing keeping Kucinich from being "electable" is the fact that the MSM refuse to portray him as such. If they hyped him the way they are Obama, he would be seen by the majority of people as a frontrunner.

Speaking of Obama, I think the MSM are burning his candle at both ends right now, so that people get tired of him and Hillary gets the nom. My prediction is that he'll lose momentum as quickly as Dean did shortly before the first primaries and the Iowa caucus in 2004.

[Pharaoh]

65. I'm on board for dennis!

till Gore jumps in,

[druidity33]

68. I want em both! Gore/Kooch! nt

[truedelphi]

67. I now believe that he is electable...

Unless there is martial law, there was a GIANT SHIFT in consciousness on Nov 6th through Nov 7 2006.

I did not think I would see the election results of that night. NADA. Hopeless. Really thought that between the purged lsits and the voter suppression and the DAM MACHINES

But someone somewhere is pulling for our Nation again. The fix is in - and this time it is Divine Providence.

Kucinich could well be part of what this new energy represents.

[Greyhound]

72. He is still pretty young and after the next few cycles things may well be

"worse enough" for the sheeple to look beyond his appearance and actually listen to what he says, then he can win. As it stands today, I'm afraid all he can do is push some of the issues into the debate. This makes me very sad.:cry:

But how about this for an unlikely scenario, Wes Clark somehow manages to get around the DC power-brokers and gets the nod and picks Dennis as his running mate to handle the domestic agenda.:bounce:

[rucky]

73. He's got my vote! nt

[OnyxCollie]

77. I voted for Dennis in the Ohio primary and I would vote for him in '08.

I'm voting for whom I consider to be the best man for the job. I find "electability" to be a threat to our democracy. Who determines electability? The media? Corporations? Lobbyist groups? Electability only creates an illusion of choice. It's thought control. My vote is of my own free will.

Long ago, I used to work at Borders. An affluent soccer mom brought a few CD's to me and asked, "Does this one sell well? What about this one?" Curious, I asked why she wanted to know how well certain CD's were selling. "I only buy CD's that lots of other people buy."

I bet she votes the same way.

Edit: typo.

[LWolf]

78. Dennis Kucinich is the greatest threat to the status quo,

on any day. Which is why I support his work, and his candidacy.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[eddiemunster]

87. Damn right.

Love him or hate him-people respect him for his convictions. Same can't be said for Hillary or the ambulance chaser.

[Imagevision]

80. It seems the msm are collectively invoved in discrediting Dennis Kucinich

How the hell can anyone be against an illegal war when you're for funding it?????

[IndianaGreen]

82. As long as we keep electing militaristic assholes

we will continue to get the sort of mess that Bush got us into.

[Pushed To The Left]

83. Kucinich is a good man. I've seen him speak a couple of times.

Much more passionate in person as a speaker then he appeared to be on television back in 04. I haven't decided who I'll support in the primary, but the three that I really like (for different reasons) are Edwards, Obama, and Kucinich. Of course, no matter who wins the primary, I will proudly vote for the Democratic nominee in Noveber 2008!

[bvar22]

84. Of course Dennis Kucinich is "electable".

He was elected Mayor.
He was elected and re-elected to the House.
He defeated Republicans.

I am a Working American with a christian morality. Kooch represents ME on the issues. No other Democratic candidate comes close.

AND

Kooch is RIGHT ON. The beltway Dems and CorpoLackeys in the Democratic Party need to be CONFRONTED and held to account. The TRUTH won't hurt any Democratic candidate who hasn't sold out their constituents for filthy CorpoMoney.

Shine the Light, Dennis.
I'm with you!


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[Contrite]

89. I never would have said so before.

In the 2004 run-up I read an article in the New Yorker about Dennis and I was impressed by his intellect and his peace-loving ways. At that time, I was a Dean supporter, however.

Now, I am paying close attention to Dennis. I will not buy into the idea that he is "unelectable". Anyone who can score a wonderful, young British babe like Elizabeth must have something going on!

[Countdown_3_2_1]

91. He has NO money, and is eclipsed by the other candidates.

Hillary, Gore, Edwards, Obama, they are all sucking up the media time and leaving none for poor Dennis.

He needs more money and he needs something to attract media attention.
Right now he is a short guy in a crowd of giants.

Unless he does something drastic, he will be worse off than in 2004.

[Le Taz Hot]

92. Unelectable or not,

I vowed after the IWR I would vote my conscience and never again be subject to "shut up and vote" by the big boys. If Gore doesn't enter the race, I'll vote for Kucinich in the primaries.

[jcrew2001]

93. news radio

Kucinich is like jimmy james in news radio and is running to find a wife.

[Nikki Stone1]

94. I LOVE Dennis.

Let's have him kick ass in the primaries.

[johnlal]

95. Vote for who you like, not who you think other people will like.

A lot of people who would have voted for Howard Dean switched their vote to John Kerry because he was "electable". It turns out that he wasn't elected. The whole idea of elections is to put forward who you think is best. Even if your candidate doesn't win, if he had enough support, he will gain prominence.