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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 02:40 PM
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No tears for Kerry's decision not to run.
I don't think he would have gotten very far anyways. He wrecked our chances in '04 by being a participant in Howard Dean's downfall and when Dean was out, he played down the rhetoric he borrowed from Dean and played the DLC "me too" candidate. This is one of the reasons why the Democrats lost. To this very day, I am convinced Howard Dean could have beaten Bush if he wasn't railroaded. I do regret voting for Kerry. Honestly, I wanted to vote third party! He also fell like a house of cards right after the election. Refusing to address the irregularities in Ohio.

No. I am not surprised Kerry is not running. He would have not gotten that far.

The thing that concerns me now is the fact that the same spin doctors might gun for the popular candidate again and set them up to fall so Hillary can get the nomination. That is one prospect I shudder to think.


John
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 02:45 PM
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1. Do not worry. This is exactly what will happen.
because people like you did not understand that he and others are set up by the media and a certain part of the Democratic Party and continued harping at the wrong person. Not supporting Kerry was one thing. Supporting the media against him and repeating their meme is another.

Good luck against Hillary.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 02:45 PM
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2. At any time in a nation's history, it is to the very great benefit
of the populace when its true servants answer the call to serve, no matter in what capacity.

If said servants are of gleaming credentials, as is certainly the case with John Kerry, so much the better.

More, not fewer, of these public servants strengthens the republic.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 02:48 PM
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3. We Need Someone New. Someone The MSM Has Not Already Destroyed
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 02:52 PM
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4. "being a participant in Howard Dean's downfall"
What a pathetic, inane and clueless statement... I was there in Iowa for that wild ride and Dean was already sinking in the polls before the caucus happened.

But hey, don't let me get in the way of your sore sport delusion...
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 02:56 PM
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7. Not indirectly but Kerry was coached by DLC ops.
The DLC operatives told Kerry to borrow Dean's charisma and then told him to tone it down after Dean was out.

They are were instrumental in Dean's downfall by calling people in Iowa in the middle of the night disguised as Dean volunteers. No. Dean got railroaded.


John
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 03:01 PM
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11. Your statement is proof that I can't help you...
Good luck. Believe whatever you want. Just make sure it wasn't Trippi's fault and of course, remember that Iowans are all stupid sheep... that's probably next in your creed...

Sheesh.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 03:49 PM
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17. Baloney - Kerry had NO support from DLC and they directed no money to his campaign
when the corpmedia dried up his fundraising in the fall of 2003 by their repeated claims that Kerry's campaign was dead.

If the DLC wanted Kerry they would have made sure the funds were directed to his campaign. They did NOT. Kerry financed the last two months of the primary on his own.

Get it through that wall - Corpmedia LIED almost every step of the way through the primaries. They hooked people like you into thinking Dean had unbeatable numbers on the ground in Iowa when he never did - they were OVER-reporting his support there while under-reporting Kerry's support there just in hopes they could permamanently kill off Kerry's campaign.

Why did media target Kerry in 2003?

From the Office of Senator Kerry


KERRY SEEKS TO REVERSE FCC’S “WRONGHEADED VOTE”

COMMISSION DECISION MAY VIOLATE LAWS PROTECTING SMALL BUSINESSES; KERRY TO FILE RESOLUTION OF DISAPPROVAL

Monday, June 2, 2003


WASHINGTON, DC – Senator John Kerry today announced plans to file a “Resolution of Disapproval” as a means to overturn today’s decision by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to raise media ownership caps and loosen various media cross-ownership rules.

Kerry will soon introduce the resolution seeking to reverse this action under the Congressional Review Act and Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act on the grounds that the decision may violate the laws intended to protect America’s small businesses and allow them an opportunity to compete.

As Ranking Member of the Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, Kerry expressed concern that the FCC’s decision will hurt localism, reduce diversity, and will allow media monopolies to flourish. This raises significant concerns about the potential negative impacts the decision will have on small businesses and their ability to compete in today’s media marketplace.

In a statement released earlier today regarding the FCC’s decision, Kerry said:

“Nothing is more important in a democracy than public access to debates and information, which lift up our discourse and give Americans an opportunity to make honest informed choices. Today’s wrongheaded vote by the Republican members of the FCC to loosen media ownership rules shows a dangerous indifference to the consolidation of power in the hands of a few large entities rather than promoting diversity and independence at the local level. The FCC should do more than rubber stamp the business plans of narrow economic interests.

“Today’s vote is a complete dereliction of duty. The Commissioners are well aware that these rules greatly influence the competitive structure of the industry and protect the public’s access to multiple sources of information and media. It is the Commission’s responsibility to ensure that the rules serve our national goals of diversity, competition, and localism in media. With today’s vote, they shirked that responsibility and have dismissed any serious discussion about the impact of media consolidation on our own democracy.”

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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 02:55 PM
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5. Anyone who votes third-party in a presidential election
deserves the Republican scumbag they get.
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 02:57 PM
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8. Hello? I voted for Kerry!
Edited on Wed Jan-24-07 02:58 PM by Cascadian
Albeit reluctantly. Not going to repeat that mistake in voting for a "me too" or DLC candidate.


John
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 02:56 PM
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6. No tears then either when
the Democratic party money machine does everything they can to insure and place Ms. Clinton as your Democratic nominee. And no tears certainly when she hands the white house to the Republicans for another eight years. No tears at all. She has every right to run. She has every right to put her personal ambitions above the hopes of the Democratic party and the people she actually claims to represent. Beacuse this isn't a Democracy anyway, it's a stinking sucession of big money dynasties.
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 02:58 PM
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9. Call it a DeMOCKracy n/t
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 03:00 PM
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10. Hillary doesn't speak for me.
I hope I can vote for someone who can say no to war. I don't want to use the term war monger but for some reason it is on the tip of my tongue. Our candidate needs to have a clear record on the war if we are to pull this off. Peace, Kim
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 03:13 PM
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12. Say good-bye to change
He was the only one who understood what needed to change around the world in order to affect a change in this country, and vice versa. Sad that too many people STILL don't get it.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 03:15 PM
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13. I think he is still a valuable part of the team.
I wouldn't close the book on him yet!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 03:25 PM
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14. The team isn't the leader
There are no leaders in the Presidential field who understand the criminal activities of this country like Kerry did, or who are willing to tackle and change it. We're just going to bump along in denial, and bump into disaster after disaster. Like we've done for the past 25 years.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 03:38 PM
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15. I understand your pain
but Kerry had his chance.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 03:42 PM
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16. Oh jesus christ, your avatar
Feingold gets it. Guess what. He isn't running either. NOBODY is running who advocates clean campaigns, principled politics, an honest foreign policy, fair global markets to everybody, no wars for resources, real environmental change... do you get it now? It isn't about Kerry. It's about the country and world. We've got NO LEADER. Geesh.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 04:08 PM
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19. My hope is that if we are patient the right candidate
will rise to the top. I don't think we have the hat in the ring yet. Yes, Feingold is an inspiration but I will let him be the judge as to when the time is right! I would be happy if they could just stop the killing long enough for the world to catch its' breath. Peace to you, Kim
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 03:50 PM
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18. How DARE he beat Howard Dean?!
the audacity!
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