So Hillary's going to run in 2008.

[Cascadian]

No thanks! The Democrats would be dumb to give her the nomination. It would give the DLC the leadership role again and we would lose.


John

[andykef]

1. DLC

The DLC actually helped the Democrats win the White House.
The electorate Dick Cheney VP in 2004. Why people think going to the left will win the White House is beyond me.
The ONLY way to win is by fielding a centralist moderate candidate. BAYH was ideal. Forget the losers on the left they cannot win.

[Cascadian]

2. It is beyond going left or right!

It is a question of "right" and "wrong". I am afraid the DLC's only real success was Bill Clinton. The DLC has been a disaster otherwise, Not only that, I am against the DLC's willingness to pander to the military/industrial complex. Politics should be about people not corporations or the Pentagon. It is high time the Democrats changed course and we did that this last election. It was not the DLC it was the people! To go back to the DLC would be costly to the Democrats and to the country. Wake up!


John

[Cascadian]

3. Remember what Harry Truman once said.

Just look carefully below my name. You will find his words of wisdom. Don't you DLCers get it?



John

[andykef]

5. CLINTON 8 YEARS

Clinton was DLC he won two terms.
I have read your remarks below but with all due respect they were made some time ago, way before the Reagan Democrats decided the outcome of presidential elections.
I agree that the Democrats need to have a message but I disagree that this cannot come from the DLC.
It is important that we all remember that 2008 is about winning and that we prevent some clown from the left being nominated only to go down in a ball of flames in the election itself. I am not a DLCer but a realist.

[Cascadian]

6. Bill Clinton was the DLC's only success.

Clinton only won in 1992 because of the fact that Ross Perot was in the race and undercut Senior Bush's numbers.
I voted for Clinton 1992. 1996 was a fluke because they picked a flawed candidate in Bob Dole. I did not vote for Clinton in '96. I went with Nader out of protest for some of Clinton's policies. Was America doing better in 1996? Of course! Better than now but that does not give Clinton an excuse. He did some things during his terms I wholeheartedly disagreed with like Free Trade, Don't Ask-Don't tell, continuing the Iraq sanctions, changing the Welfare Laws, must I go on? Clinton was not a Liberal Democrat. Clinton was a Centrist Republican or Republican Lite. The other thing that he had going for him was charm and charisma. Bill was and is still quite likable. Also don't forget about what happened in 1994 mid-terms. Remember ol' Newtie Gingrich and his "Contract On America"? Also, please explain to me the successes of the DLC in the Post-Bill Clinton era. What are they?

In all fairness, Bill Clinton was far better than what we have now but that does not mean, I was with him 1000% per cent. Hell! My sister's cat could do a better job at President than what we have now! Still, we need to make the liberal or so-called "left" agenda more palatable to mainstream America and we need to go back to such progressivism. I am afraid Hillary is not all that and in fact probably more right-leaning than her husband is. I cannot see myself supporting her and I won't.



John

[venable]

30. excellent post

pretty much sums it up.

[earthlover]

7. If you mention Reagan...

Remember that Reagan was NOT the Republican equivalent to the DLC, he was on the conservative wing. Who knows? If we nominate someone who really is a Democrat, and shows a real alternative to the mess we are in, perhaps there will be some Republicans now who will become the Republican equivalent to Reagan Democrats?

Nominate someone like Clark, who is more liberal than most but perceived as moderate, and we could start a transformation in Democratic electoral success for years to come. America yearns for living up to its ideals and working for the people, not the rich. It also yearns for a competent President, who can keep us safe and who sees war as the very very last resort.

We won't appeal to a new generation of voters by giving them a milque-toast candidate, who is afraid of looking too liberal, who has a background in the establishment, and who won't oppose even stupid wars for fear of looking weak unless the winds blow the other direction and it becomes politically expedient. I hate to quote Goldwater,

[earthlover]

9. post got cut off...

"a choice not an echo"

[Cascadian]

12. And Hillary is such a person

She cannot lead and she is afraid of looking "too liberal". Why don't some people get this? Why don't they have a clue??? Hillary will not win becuase she cannot lead and she is 100 per cent DLC!


John

[skipos]

15. Could you please explain how your quote applies to 2006 CT race?

nt

[Telly Savalas]

13. If the only way to win is to run a candidate the same as Bush

or to his Right, wouldn't it make more sense to save money and not even run a candidate?

[Cascadian]

14. Then what is the point of having elections or a democracy? n/t

[Le Taz Hot]

4. The DLC have hedged their bets.

The only candidate NOT a DLC corporate whore is Kucinich and no, I'm not a supporter. Face it, we're stuck with what they shove down our throats -- again.

[rsmith6621]

8. Again....Hillary Cant............

..............L E A D

she hasnt lead on any opposition to the Iraq war until she was ready to announce this BID....SHE CANT LEAD...

[lostnotforgotten]

10. Do Not Support War Mongers - Hillary Supported The War

Stand Up for Peace - Not War!

[fuzzyball]

25. You are a war monger also if you voted Kerry/Edwards...unless you voted

for the Greens. So that argument does not stick, pal.
A past vote based on incorrect intelligence does not
cast you in concrete if you are smart enough to change
based on recent information.

[Cascadian]

32. Honestly, I regret voting for Kerry.

He stole the momentum that Howard Dean had. Howard Dean was railroaded by those in the DLC and by the mainstream media. Then after Dean was out of the picture he went back to the "me too" DLC playbook. This time around I am not going to be cajoled to decide between Republican and Republican Lite. I am tired of having no damned choice.

If there is a Democrat out there that is worth voting for I will vote for him but if he or she is going to be pro-corporate, anti-working class, pro-war then forget it!


John

[BlueManDude]

11. She endagers our congressional majorities

candidates down ballot will be fleeing her left and right.

[oasis]

16. Memo to DLC: Always roll sevens or you're out!

:spank:Winners only.

[mtnsnake]

17. "After 6 years of George Bush, it is time to renew the promise of America"

I liked that part of her announcement. She really got in Bush's face with that one.

[PresidentObama]

22. Thats really NOT getting into Bush's face....

That sounds like a generic, bland line I've heard from SO many Presidential candidates.

Don't get me wrong, I'm listening to Hillary. And while I don't like her as a candidate for 2008, I'm at least listening and waiting for her message.

Lets hope we get a good debate soon with Hillary, Obama, Edwards, and all the other 2008 contenders!

[earthlover]

34. nice quote...but it was very Bush-like....

....after all, Bush, in the 2006 State of the Union Address said...."As we renew the promise of our institutions, let us also show the character of America in our compassion and care for one another"

Can anyone say that Hillary's quote actually says more than Bush? Talk is cheap. Hillary's actions speak louder than her words. What institutions were renewed by sending our soldiers to war in Iraq without a clear mission for success?

[durrrty libby]

18. So sad you have such a narrow closed mind

Watch her go.

Watch her grow

Go Hillary

[Cascadian]

19. I should be open minded to the Neocon agenda????

I am afraid I am not open minded to the Neocon agenda but apparently Hillary was when she supported the Iraq invasion.

If it looks like bullshit and smells like bullshit then it has to be bullshit! I am afraid I am not into being open-minded to such things.



John

[Lord Byron]

20. There's gonna be a LOT of astroturfing here

That's my prediction.

No to DLC. No to Hillary Clinton.

[generaldemocrat]

21. Oh hurray! Hillary is running! Hell yes!!!!!!!!!!

:puke:

:thumbsdown:

:nuke:

[k_jerome]

23. Go Senator Clinton! nt.

[Cascadian]

31. Run Lemmings! Run right off the cliff! n/t

[fuzzyball]

24. Here comes Snow White Hillary, dwarfing all the others.

The Hillary juggernaut has fired its engines and
the polls confirm she is the media darling and the
front runner by far.

[gulliver]

26. I doubt she will get the nomination.

We are going to have an amazing field of candidates this time. Anyone with presidential ambitions can read the tea leaves. The Dems are not only headed toward winning in '08; they are headed toward a powerful presidency in a historic time.

[wiley]

27. Good Luck to Senator Clinton and all others running.

Now is the time to outreach in a positive, honest way to all those who didn't or couldn't vote in 2004. Fighting among candidates' supporters will just turn people off. I will vote for whoever wins the Democratic primaries. Enough of this comparison of Democrats to neo-cons and Republicans.

[thatsrightimirish]

28. Call me crazy

I don't like the DLC, but I'm not ready to write off Clinton. Why isn't anyone excited about the great field we have? Just look at the Republicans!

[Tatiana]

29. Short list of candidates I'd vote for in a primary over Clinton (in order):

Obama
Edwards
Richardson
Biden
Dodd

I'm not thrilled with any of them, but Obama is looking better and better to me.

[BenDavid]

33. HRC is IN and IN TO WIN!