My goddness anyone listening to Randy on the real reason we are in Iraq ....

[bigdarryl]

its the OIL STUPID!!!!! just as i though

[rurallib]

1. And Somalia - it's the oil also

doing the corporations dirty work. Makes me nostalgic for Benito and Adolph.

[Nimrod2005]

2. Bombing the Moslims there too....I want to know how Al Jazirah is reporting

this..........>?

[bigdarryl]

3. why is it that when a Bush is in the White house its nothing but cause and bullshit

[thereismore]

4. I understand how you mean it, but did you see yesterday's Frontline?

It was about liberation of concentration camps in Germany/Poland. You could not say "nostalgic for Adolph". No. Just no.

[rurallib]

7. I am reading Thom Hartmann's "Screwed" and the

intertwining of government and coporations just hit in this instance.
When you examine Bush's War there was never ever any desire to "win", only to stay in perpetual war. Why?
1) electorate reluctant to toss out a president in wartime
2) it's a great way to pass the public treasury to the corporations without a lot of meddling
3) commodities become more scarce and prices and profits rise (oil)
4) when the treasury is drained we can do away with those awful social programs and
5) opposition can be smeared as unpatriotic helping the stranglehold on power

Why would Bush want to win when the status quo is so much in his favor?

[station agent]

5. She cracked the case, eh?

I love Randi, but plenty of people pointed that out long ago. She gets a lot of her best material from Palast. She gives him credit, of course. Read Armed Madhouse. It's amazing.

[nuxvomica]

6. Read the Chris Floyd article on the escalation at this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3073715&mesg_id=3073715

I've been emailing the Truthout article to folks cuz it explains why they want to add more troops when everybody knows it won't make a difference long term.

[Peace Patriot]

8. Okay. n/t

[Peace Patriot]

9. This is just too good not to promulgate. It's the PENDING oil contracts!!!

Posted by rfranklin
Tue Jan-09-07 05:00 AM
Original message

(The article below was written for TruthOut.org)

"Chris Floyd: The mess in Iraq is a victory for the Bush family...

"CLAIMING THE PRIZE: BUSH SURGE AIMED AT SECURING IRAQI OIL
Written by Chris Floyd
Tuesday, 09 January 2007

"I. The Twin Engines of Bush's War

"The reason that George W. Bush insists that "victory" is
achievable in Iraq is not because he is deluded or isolated or ignorant or detached from reality or ill-advised. No, it's that his definition of "victory" is different from those bruited about in his own rhetoric and in the ever-earnest disquisitions of the chattering classes in print and on-line. For Bush, victory is indeed at hand. It could come at any moment now, could already have been achieved by the time you read this. And the driving force behind his planned "surge" of American troops is the need to preserve those fruits of victory that are now ripening in his hand.

"At any time within the next few days, the Iraqi Council of Ministers is expected to approve a new "hydrocarbon law" essentially drawn up by the Bush Administration and its UK lackey, the Independent on Sunday reports. The new bill will "radically redraw the Iraqi oil industry and throw open the doors to the third-largest oil reserves in the world," say the paper, whose reporters have seen a draft of the new law. "It would allow the first large-scale operation of foreign oil companies in the country since the industry was nationalized in 1972." If the government's parliamentary majority prevails, the law should take effect in March.

"As the paper notes, the law will give Exxon, BP, Shell and other carbon cronies of the White House unprecedented sweetheart deals, allowing them to pump gargantuan profits from Iraq's nominally state-owned oilfields for decades to come. This law has been in the works since the very beginning of the invasion – indeed, since months before the invasion, when the Bush Administration brought in Phillip Carroll, former CEO of both Shell and Fluor, the politically-wired oil servicing firm, to devise "contingency plans" for divvying up Iraq's oil after the attack. Once the deed was done, Carroll was made head of the American "advisory committee" overseeing the oil industry of the conquered land, as Joshua Holland of Alternet.com has chronicled in two remarkable reports on the backroom maneuvering over Iraq's oil: Bush's Petro-Cartel Almost Has Iraq's Oil and The U.S. Takeover of Iraqi Oil." (MORE)

(DU post, discussion) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3073715&mesg_id=3073715
(full article--updated) http://www.chris-floyd.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=989&Itemid=135
(orig TruthOut article) http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/010807A.shtml

[provis99]

10. if this war were about oil, I could see why would be involved in it

Fighting over scarce resources is the usual shitty reason countries go to war. I think the real truth is even worse. Freud would probably have said Bush went to war to prove himself to Daddy, that he could finish the war that Daddy Bush started and didn't finish properly, and thereby show he wasn't the useless dolt the rest of his family took him to be. Which is scarier, going to war for the usual reasons, or going to war for one man's vanity?