When Emperor Hadrian built *his* wall .......

[Stinky The Clown]

..... it went from coast to coast across what was to become England.



And in its day, it was pretty effective.



He wisely sited the wall with north facing cliffs or hills to make the wal effectively even higher. At least 25,000 Roman soldiers labored long and hard for five years to build it. They were then garrisoned along the wall in a series of large and small forts.

Our latter day Hadrian wannabes, guys like Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo are nowehere near the big thinkers like Hadrian was. They just want to build their stupid border fence in places that will keep the brown-skinners away from their favorite border garden spots.

If they cared about keeping the country 'secure' (against what, I can't imagine ..... surely not against maids and gardeners and wine grape pickers) instead of keeping their neighborhoods whiter, they'd be pushing for a modern day example of a high tech Hadrian's Wall. Instead, all they want is a few score miles of fence here ..... and there .... and there. As if fence avoiders aren't smart enough to make their way to the No Fence Zone.

In my view, their half assed measures tell the truth about what **really** concerns them .....

Bigots. That's all they are. Bigots.

[leftofthedial]

1. Tancredo is a bigot

for certain

[northzax]

2. and within a hundred years

there were no romans to speak of in Britain. you do the math.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. I'll do the math? OK.

410 - 122 = 288 years that Rome remained in power in Britain. Of course, they're cultural influence and genes persisted for quite some time after that.

Not quite sure what you're getting at in context of the immigrant debate, though.

[northzax]

6. started in 122

finished around 132. Hadrian's wall represented the apex of Roman power in Britain (sure cultural influence remained, but then the Celts left cultural influences behind too)

My point is that once you start building a wall (and, of course, Hadrian's was more for military defence than to stop immigration per se) you continually begin to mark the beginning of the end of that civilization. name me a wall that was successful in the long term? can't do it, static walls are not useful in the long run, as Hadrian proved.

[sabbat hunter]

3. we need increased border security

to keep illegals out. we also need to go after companies that hire illegals.

at the same time we need to increase legal immigration. make it easier for people to come here to work legally. this way they will be covered by our laws and the companies that employ them will pay the taxes due, have to obey safety regulations.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. Agreed.

The racism's so palpable you could cut it with a knife.