Some interesting Howard Dean Quotes.

[in_cog_ni_to]

Local Interview (7/02):

Who would be your model as a vice president?

DEAN: Dick Cheney. It sounds like an odd thing to say because I don't agree with almost anything he says, but he's incredibly competent. He knows how government works.

DICK CHENEY FOR HIS MODEL VP????? YIKES! :scared:


Meet the Press (07/02):

MR. RUSSERT: The battle of Tora Bora was successful?

DEAN: I've seen others criticize the president. I think it's very easy to second-guess the commander-in-chief at a time of war. I don't choose to engage in doing that.

That one KILLS me! Hahaha!





MR. RUSSERT: You heard Mr. Armey's objection to the president's TIPS Program, where cable installers, utility workers would observe what's going on and report anything suspicious to the police. Do you support the president?
DEAN: I tend to support the president


http://www.rutlandherald.com/election2000/deancrit.html
During one of his weekly news conferences in 1993, Dean was being questioned about some of his welfare reform proposals, when he uttered comments that drew sharp criticism from advocates and welfare recipients. In talking about the segment of the welfare population that receives benefits as a permanent means of support, Dean said: "Those recipients don't have any self-esteem. If they did, they'd be working. They'd be trying to get out of a system that is essentially saying to them: 'You don't have anything to contribute. Take our money and then go away and beat the system.'"
Dean apologized the next day, saying, "Those remarks really stepped over the line."
Earlier this week, Dean defended his criticism of Dwyer, saying his comments were not nearly as disparaging as Dwyer's and he never intended to contribute to the negative stereotyping of people on welfare.
"I understand that a person is a person, no matter where they are on economic spectrum," he said. "When I realized my remarks were hurtful, I apologized.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/06/politics/campaigns/06DEAN.html
"When people get in my face, I tend to get in theirs," Dr. Dean said in the interview at The Times. "Al Sharpton was in my face last night and I was not going to step one step, half a step, backwards, and I don't care who's in my face.
"I tend to be reflective rather later than sooner," he added. "Now, unfortunately, we all know that nobody's personality is perfect. So the things that make me a strong candidate are also my Achille's heel."

Shoot from the hip....reflect later. :shrug:

Freyne had been pressing Dean to state his position on gay marriage, which had been working its way through the courts. "For three years you've ducked this," he remembers saying at the press conference. "Now that it's been out of the courts for an hour, how do you feel?"
"It makes me uncomfortable, the same as anybody else," Dean replied. The remark made headlines and created friction with the gay community, but it didn't signal a lesser commitment by Dean to finding a solution.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/996601.asp?0cv=KB20

Howard Dean: "We won't always have the strongest military" (Time, April 28, 2003)

"No Democrat has a chance of winning in 2004 if the economy is good."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36100

Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean, who has been vigorously defending himself against charges that he lacks the foreign policy experience needed to be president, said Sunday he would want a vice president with such a background.

"I need to plug that hole on the resume, and I'm going to do that with my running mate," Dean said.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-dean22dec22,1,5088832.story?coll=la-home-politics

Here's a whole web site devoted to Dean Flip-Flops.
http://www.wafflepoweredhoward.com/

Here's a good one from "wafflepower"

"I'm the only major candidate running, who's in reasonably good shape in the polls, who voted “No” on the Iraq Resolution."


Okay, Howard, whatever you say. :eyes:

[Padraig18]

1. Tit-for-tat post #2465863

:eyes:

[jmaier]

2. I agree

The similiarly silly Clark thread is just now dying down and we have to see another "I know what you are, but what am I thread" started?

Sheesh.



Wes Clark. He will make an extraordinary American President.

[Padraig18]

4. Pretty pathetic, isn't it?

Reminds me of 3rd grade, some days... *sigh*

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. Just as pathetic

as the endless anti-Clark threads that have been posted on here today. What? Are we suppose to just "ignore" them...and maybe they will go away? That doesn't work. Fight fire with fire....take the gloves off. I won't sit by and watch the endless bash Clark threads without a rebuttal. This is my rebuttal. Like it or not, that's the way it's going to be unless the Dean supporters stop their little bash Clark crusade...."crusade" seems fitting since Dean just found "Jesus"...*cough*cough* :eyes:

[Forkboy]

13. Let's hope if Clark wins

he can act more responsibly.

[MoonRiver]

14. I totally agree with you. I've tried to be polite and cordial, but that's

not the way Dean supporters are operating. Does he attract aggressive people or make them that way? It's a question to ponder.

[Forkboy]

15. Both Clark and Dean supporters act the same way

Though neither will ever admit it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. I don't know if he creates them with his

wild rhetoric...."YOU HAVE THE POWER!" "YOU HAVE THE POWER!" "YOU HAVE THE POWER!"......or if he just attracts that type, but the things I have heard from Clark campaigners about the behavior of the Dean supporters, are despicable.

One person reported that the Dean supporters were the ONLY group to heckle a candidate at the Florida Democratic Convention...they heckled Wes Clark.

Another Clark campaigner reported harrassment by Dean supporters when he was out canvasing for Clark.

Another Clark supporter was in NH putting up Clark campaign signs and a CAR LOAD of Dean supporters gave him the finger. He knew they were Dean supporters because the bumper on the car had Dean bumper stickers.

It's hard to tell if he created the monsters or they were like that to begin with, but I must say, they and he should be embarrassed as hell by that behavior.

[Forkboy]

21. "they and he should be embarrassed as hell by that behavior. "

The same behavior you mimic here.

[MoonRiver]

23. Reporting what's going on is hardly mimicking.

[Forkboy]

25. I'm not saying anything about the posting of the quotes

I'm pointing out that the poster is decrying this kind of behavior within a thread he started that mimics the very behavior he's complaining about.

[in_cog_ni_to]

27. I have never behaved the way SOME Dean supporters act

in PUBLIC. This is a political discussion forum on the internet. I don't know how you can possibly compare PUBLIC behavior with an internet discussion forum.

I have read at least 5 Bash Clark threads just today. They want to dish it out...fine. Go right ahead, but they are going to get it right back.

That is how the Democratic party has gotten where it is by sitting by and letting the repukes tell lies, intimidate them and feed the sheeple anti-Democrat rhetoric. Remember election 2002? I do. i won't sit back any more and watch while someone tries to destroy the Clark campaign with lies, anti-Clark rhetoric and intimidation.

[Forkboy]

29. You admit to giving it "right back"

then tell another poster that you dont like when others act that way.

You dont have to sit back,but dont complain that others are using the same methods you're admitting you'll use if you feel you have to.

It's simple really.

[in_cog_ni_to]

33. Simple, right.

You need to understand something. I use to be a Dean supporter. I WAS still going to vote for him, support him and campaign for him...should he win the nomination, but not any more. Some of his supporters on here are like rabid dogs. I have been diplomatic long enough. They have dished their dirt on Clark ever since he announced his candidacy and "nice" just doesn't cut it with these people. Just like republicans, you cannot be "nice" to them because they will slit your throat if you are.

I won't complain about their Clark bashing anymore, but I also won't "sit back" and take it...unanswered. OK? :) No more nice guy.

[bitchkitty]

31. I would suggest that you take

a look through these threads. Physician, heal thyself.

[Donna Zen]

49. Agreed

Today has been an exercise in total sickness. It has either been posted before (some of this stuff was written and filed months ago) or it is just "Well, this is the way I see it, and I say this is so, and I, I, I,

We have reached a new low where they are just making it up. The thread titles are clever; just shaded enough to get past the mods, but still putting the inflammatory combination or candidate's name plus charged language.

I think this is one of the worst days I ever seen on DU.

[pocoloco]

3. I don't think Dean has been getting enough sleep!

[UrbScotty]

5. What a coincidence!

"...and I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice... people I know very well... our president George W. Bush. We need them there."

Wesley K. Clark, four months before September 11, 2001

Go ahead, explain.

[White Mountain]

6. How Long

How Long has Clarke been a Democrat? He sure has had his shares of embarrasing quotes and flip-flops.

Dean's the real deal!

[sfecap]

7. Clark is a Democrat?

n/t

[maddezmom]

8. Dean is a liberal? n/t

[windansea]

48. heh! n/t

[bitchkitty]

30. hee hee! n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

10. Clark has been a Democrat long enough.

He voted for Clinton TWICE and then for Gore in 2000. How long have you been a Democrat? I don't think it's been long enough.

[PurityOfEssence]

11. Don't go troubling the faithful with that pesky ol' reality

I especially like the welfare quote; it's always interesting how some people who have never known privation seem to fully understand life on the fringes. He is not a liberal, and his runaway mouth is very telling at times about his imagination, empathy and respect.

Whoopi Goldberg has her last welfare check stub framed in her house, proud that she's been able to make her way in life.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

42. My favorite: "We won't always have the strongest military"

That one quote is worth about 3-5% of swing voters who will embrace Bush as a comparitively sane alternative to Dean. Forget about all the others, they are just gravy. Runaway mouth indeed as stated above.

[LiberalBushFan]

12. Dick Cheney as model VP??

Dean supporters constantly blast Clark for praising the administrations members after Dean called the WORST of them his MODEL?
I had trouble supporting Clark at first when I heard of that video, but I got over it because I decided he was probably just being diplomatic. But if he had ever called one of them his model, I believe it would be much harder to excuse. I wonder how hard it will be for Dean supporters.
Dick Cheney is the worst of the worst, the master thief.

first thread I've ever bookmarked

[batman]

16. taken right from the catm blog ey?

:)

those cherry picked parsed quotes serve your misinformation movement well

ive got some interesting clark quotes to share also :scared: but its simply not worth it

[maddezmom]

18. go ahead share batman, I'm sure the Joker will be ready for you. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. Well,

I've got plenty more info on Dean that I can post also. I especially like his cuts in social programs he made while Governor of Vermont. :scared:

[batman]

32. dean did a great job keeping social programs intact while balancing the

budget and creating a rainy day fund

regarding the clark quotes as i said its not worth it he wont get the nomination anyhow

i would warn any of his supporters not to be to particular about candidates

this guy targeted civilians and reporters in his war days

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. Right, he did a great job.

:(

Dean slashed millions of dollars from all sorts of social programs, from prescription drug benefits for Medicare recipients and heating assistance for poorer Vermonters to housing assistance funds. In defending his cuts to social programs, Dean said, "I don’t think I have to shy away from that just because I’m supposed to be a liberal Democrat."8

Throughout the 1990s, Dean’s cuts in state aid to education ($6 million), retirement funds for teachers and state employees ($7 million), health care ($4 million), welfare programs earmarked for the aged, blind and disabled ($2 million), Medicaid benefits ($1.2 million) and more, amounted to roughly $30 million. Dean claimed that the cuts were necessary because the state had no money and was burdened by a $60 million deficit.9

But during the same period, Dean found $7 million for a low-interest loan program for businesses, $30 million for a new prison in Springfield, VT, and he cut the income tax by 8 percent (equivalent to $30 million)–a move many in the legislature balked at because they didn’t feel comfortable "cutting taxes in a way that benefits the wealthiest taxpayers."10 By 2002, state investments in prisons increased by nearly 150 percent while investments in state colleges increased by only 7 percent.11

Indeed, Dean’s mix of "fiscal conservatism and social liberalism" seems to be not much different than Bush’s so-called compassionate conservatism, and certainly paralleled Clinton’s signature combination of liberal "I-feel-your-pain" rhetoric with neoliberal policies.

[batman]

35. taken right from the cryofan marxist link I see

read up on dennis kucinich there because according to them hes a conservative republican

here is a response to the matter you raised

Dean and his defenders dispute these allegations, insisting that no benefits were taken from anyone while he ran the state for almost 12 years, and that overall, spending on social services increased by a third. Dean and his supporters say the criticism obscures the complex choreography of balancing a state budget and overshadows a record that left Vermont in better fiscal shape than most states in recent years.

"It is just not accurate," said Sean Campbell, Dean's former finance commissioner. "We are a state of 600,000 and we have managed to support social services at levels that are remarkable compared to other states. What John Kerry and Dick Gephardt need to do is look at what programs were in Vermont when Dean took over, and what programs were there when he left."

[in_cog_ni_to]

37. Marxist?

Puhleeeeze.

http://www.isreview.org/issues/32/dean.shtml

Here's where the information for that article came from. Hardly Marxist unless you think "Dean For America", "BusinessWeek", Jewish Week, Drake University, Vermont Advisory Committee to the United States Commission on Civil Rights, ect.... are Marxist?

1 Gary Younge, "Winners and losers," Guardian (UK), May 5, 2003.

2 Katha Pollit, "Selling Dean short," Nation, September 1, 2003.

3 Marty Jezer, "On Howard Dean," CommonDreams.org, April 24, 2003.

4 Sarah Schweitzer and Tatsha Robertson, "A meteoric rise in Vermont politics," Boston Globe, September 22, 2003.

5 Laura Blumenfeld, "Empower Play: The pitch that works for Dean," Washington Post, October 1, 2003.

6 Jake Tapper, "On the campaign trail with the un-Bush," Salon, February 19, 2003.

7 "Challenge of tough times," Rutland Herald, January 8, 1992.

8 Jack Hoffman, "Dean: Time for ‘serious cuts’," Rutland Herald, December 29, 1991.

9 All figures come from a collection of articles in the Rutland Herald: see Christopher Graff, "Governor set to cut spending," July 11, 1995. Also see, Chris Graff, "Dean balancing act enters tough phase," December 17, 1995 and Diane Derby, "Hundreds protest governor’s plan to cut Medicaid," November 2, 1993.

10 See Jack Hoffman, "Budget boosts housing; VIDA funds," Rutland Herald, September 9, 1992; Frederick Bever, "Dean wants larger cut in state tax," Rutland Herald, December 23, 1998; Jack Hoffman, "Dean outlines his case for cutting income tax," Rutland Herald, January 9, 1999.

11 Interview with Anthony Pollina by Democracy In Action at the Progressive Party offices in Montpelier, Vermont, July 9, 2002. Anthony Pollina ran for governor against Dean on the Progressive Party ticket in 2000. Available at www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/dean/dean0702/pollinaint.html.

12 Elizabeth Mehran and Mark Barabak, "State residents see a new Dean in presidential race," Los Angeles Times, July 13, 2003.

13 Tapper, "On the campaign trail."

14 John Dillon, "Dean to feel pressure from left at convention," Rutland Herald, May 10, 1992.

15 Hoffman, "Dean: Time for ‘serious’ cuts."

16 Miles Benson, "And politicians wonder why they aren’t trusted," Newhouse News Service, March 5, 1995.

17 Bryan Pfeiffer, "Advocates deride Dean," Rutland Herald, July 11, 1995.

18 Ibid.

19 Diane Derby, "Dean sorry for remarks on welfare," Rutland Herald, January 23, 1993.

20 Robert Piasecki, "Hunger: A growing problem," Rutland Herald, June 16, 1994.

21 "Who’s the real Howard Dean," BusinessWeek, August 11, 2003, p. 58.

22 Ibid.

23 Economic Policy Institute, from U.S. Census, Bureau of Labor Statistics data, available online at www.bls.gov.

24 "The cool passion of Dr. Dean," Time, August 11, 2003.

25 Tracy Schmaler, "Pollina criticizes Dean for a lack of college funding," Rutland Herald, September 28, 2000.

26 "Dean outlines his strategy for providing health care," Rutland Herald, February 19, 1991.

27 "Challenge of tough times."

28 See "Advocates deride Dean."

29 See "Democratic presidential candidates continue to reinforce pro-abortion positions," National Right to Life News, June 2003.

30 Mark Steyn, "Democrats are turning to…this guy?" Chicago Sun Times, July 6, 2003.

31 From an interview conducted by the author on October 4, 2003.

32 Schmaler, "Pollina criticizes Dean."

33 See www.deanforamerica.org.

34 Michael Colby, "The Man from Vermont is not Green (he’s not even a liberal)," available online at www.Counterpunch.org, February 22, 2003.

35 Lisa Wangsness, "Dean green on trail but Vermont knows better," Concord Monitor, August 22, 2003.

36 David Halbfinger, "National Briefing: Kerry attacks Dean for Bush pact," New York Times, October 2, 2003.

37 Wangsness, "Dean green on trail."

38 John Dillon, "Dean and Pollina pitch ‘green’ records," Rutland Herald, March 19, 2000.

39 Ibid.

40 David Gram, "Dean’s comments on civil liberties cause alarm," Rutland Herald, September 14, 2001.

41 Jack Hoffman, "Dean explains philosophy, plans," Rutland Herald, August 21, 1991.

42 Wilson Ring, "Governor wants to get tougher with criminals," Associated Press, December 10, 1994.

43 Diane Derby, "Dean reignites talk of death penalty," Rutland Herald, November 2, 1997.

44 Diane Derby, "Dean rejects federal grant," Rutland Herald, May 10, 1999.

45 Josh Frank, "Howard Dean’s constitutional hang-up: Dean would rather execute an innocent man, than let a guilty one walk free," available online at www.Counterpunch.org, August 12, 2003.

46 Anthony Pollina, from an interview conducted by the author on October 6, 2003.

47 "Racial Harassment in Vermont Public Schools," Vermont Advisory Committee to the United States Commission on Civil Rights, February 1999, p. 1.

48 Ibid., p. iii.

49 Available at www.deanforamerica.org.

50 "Defending American values–protecting America’s Interests," Drake University, Iowa, February 17, 2003, available online at www.deanforamerica.org.

51 Fred Hiatt, "Defining Dean," Washington Post, August 25, 2003.

52 See James D. Besser’s interview with Howard Dean, Jewish Week, October 8, 2003.

53 "Restoring American leadership: A new direction for American foreign policy," speech before the Council on Foreign Relations, Washington, D.C., June 25, 2003, available online at www.deanforamerica.org.

54 William C. Symonds, "Who’s the real Howard Dean," BusinessWeek, August 11, 2003, pp. 59.

[batman]

44. yep marxist

http://www.isreview.org/index.shtml

read the top line of their website



as you know references are only as good at their interpretation

here is another article of interest about one of our candidates from that now respected source

Kucinich opposed busing programs to integrate Cleveland schools. Before the issue had even taken hold locally, he made a point to introduce a resolution in the city council asking Congress to oppose busing as a means of integration. While Kucinich supported social and economic programs that would benefit the white immigrant neighborhoods that made up the majority of the district he represented, he disparaged similar improvements in Black neighborhoods. One of his campaign workers remarked in 1972 that Kucinich has "learned to play dirty pool…. It’s a racial issue. There are a lot of bigots in that district and someone has to represent them, let’s face it."

dennis kucinich is now a racist

http://www.isreview.org/issues/32/kucinich.shtml

[cryofan]

51. GASP! Oh, those dirty, dirty, red pinko commies!

just call 'em "Commie commie commie...."

Someone orta take of 'em, if ya know what I mean...

[Hoppin_Mad]

19. How bout these Clark quotes ?

"And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice... people I know very well... our president George W. Bush. We need them there."

Wes Clark, May 11, 2001

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. How about this Dean Quote?

Just last year.

Local Interview (7/02):

Who would be your model as a vice president?

DEAN: Dick Cheney. It sounds like an odd thing to say because I don't agree with almost anything he says, but he's incredibly competent. He knows how government works.

[Hoppin_Mad]

24. Did you miss "I don't agree with almost anything he says" ?

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. Oh, yes I did

read that and I also read that he would like to model his VP after CHENEY because he is "INCREDIBLY COMPETENT." :eyes:

[Forkboy]

26. lol

between you both I'm convinced that neither is worth voting for.

[maxanne]

36. a favorite Dean quote

Christmas is weird. What other time of the year do you sit
in front of a dead tree and eat candy out of your socks?

-Howard Dean

[windansea]

38. my favorite waffle

"I'm the only major candidate running, who's in reasonably good shape in the polls, who voted “No” on the Iraq Resolution."

[hedda_foil]

39. Speaking of flip flops

Here's a pair for the pink tutu Dems.

[windansea]

41. size 11....perfect fit

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. I like these.

Medicare
"I think it's one of the worst federal programs ever..."

-Gov. Dean in the San Francisco Chronicle, 8/17/93

" one of the worst things that ever happened… a bureaucratic disaster..."

-Gov. Dean to the AP, 8/3/93 :wow:

[MoonRiver]

43. LOL!

Next he'll claim it was an 'anonymous' vote! :D

[Octafish]

45. "We don't need Liberals like Marian Wright Edelman."

Marian Wright Edelman founded Children's Defense Fund, a not-for profit child advocacy organization.

Progressives and the Dean Campaign

by Norman Solomon

EXCERPT...

Economic justice has been a much lower priority. During the early 1990s, Dean spearheaded a new "workfare" state law requiring labor from welfare recipients. The Vermont program later won praise as more humane "welfare reform" than what occurred in most other states. But in the summer of 1996, Dean put his weight behind the final push for President Clinton's national "welfare reform" law -- a draconian measure, slashing at an already shabby safety-net while forcing impoverished mothers to work low-wage jobs.

While some other Democrats angrily opposed Clinton's welfare reform, it won avid support from Dean. "Liberals like Marian Wright Edelman are wrong," he insisted. "The bill is strong on work, time limits assistance and provides adequate protection for children." Dean co-signed a letter to Clinton calling the measure "a real step forward."

Gov. Dean did not mind polarizing with poor people, but he got along better with the corporate sector. "Conservative Vermont business leaders praise Dean's record and his unceasing efforts to balance the budget, even though Vermont is the only state where a balanced budget is not constitutionally required," Business Week reported in its August 11 (2003) edition. "Moreover, they argue that the two most liberal policies adopted during Dean's tenure -- the 'civil unions' law and a radical revamping of public school financing -- were instigated by Vermont's ultraliberal Supreme Court rather than Dean." The magazine added: "Business leaders were especially impressed with the way Dean went to bat for them if they got snarled in the state's stringent environmental regulations."

According to Business Week, "those who know him best believe Dean is moving to the left to boost his chances of winning the nomination." Alongtime Dean backer named Bill Stenger, a Vermont Republican who's president of Jay Peak Resort, predicted: "If he gets the nomination, he'll run back to the center and be more mainstream."

CONTINUED...

http://www.progress.org/2003/sol125.htm

[wyldwolf]

46. Here's another...

Gay marriage "makes me uncomfortable, the same as anybody else,"

http://slate.msn.com/id/2086952

Sorry, Howard, gay mariage doesn't make me uncomfortable.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

47. More obvious pandering and "repositioning" for the masses

like jivin' for Jesus.

[cryofan]

50. these Dean quotes show him to be more GOP than Democrat

Gee, I wonder why Dean never tried to balance the budget by raising taxes on the upper class, i.e., his millionaire Silver Spoon cronies? Instead he balanced the budget by cutting taxes and social benefits, all the while laughing and poking fun at lefty liberals. But don't take my word for you.....just read Dean's own words:


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

"Throughout the 1990s, Dean’s cuts in state aid to education ($6 million), retirement funds for teachers and state employees ($7 million), health care ($4 million), welfare programs earmarked for the aged, blind and disabled ($2 million), Medicaid benefits ($1.2 million) and more, amounted to roughly $30 million. Dean claimed that the cuts were necessary because the state had no money and was burdened by a $60 million deficit.9
....
Most of the Democrats in the legislature rebelled against Dean over the budget cuts, and he ended up depending on Republican votes to pass most of his proposals. At the time, a local Vermont newspaper wrote, "The biggest items on Dean’s agenda for next year are likely to provoke more opposition from the Democrats than the Republicans. Nevertheless, Dean said he feels no particular pressure to deliver the goods to his party or to promote the Democratic agenda."15

In the mid-1990s, Dean even aligned himself with the likes of Republican Newt Gingrich on his stance on cutting Medicare. He opined at the time, "The way to balance the budget is for Congress to cut Social Security, move the retirement age to 70, cut defense, Medicare and veterans pensions, while the states cut everything else."16
....
The Rutland Herald described how one protestor, Henrietta Jordan of the Vermont Center for Independent Living, "said it would be much fairer to raise taxes on people with expensive homes and cars, children in private school and a housekeeper at home than to cut programs that helped the 66,000 Vermonters living with disabilities."17 Dean responded callously, brushing off the pleas of Vermont’s most vulnerable by saying, "This seems like sort of the last gasp of the left here."18"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



my comment: I really find the Dean quotes above quite disturbing. The quotes and the article's detailed, footnoted enumeration of his tightfisted reign in Vermont should be engendering serious doubt in the minds of Democrats about his true political leanings.

The rest of this article is here:
http://www.isreview.org/issues/32/dean.shtml

[JNelson6563]

52. then we have an epidemic of GOPers

Comments made in May 2001 surfaced, showing Clark heaping praise on Bush and his team: 'I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice... people I know very well - our President George W Bush. We need them there,' he told an Arkansas Republican dinner.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/internation...1091321,00.html

Sept. 29 issue - After Al Qaeda attacked America, retired Gen. Wes Clark thought the Bush administration would invite him to join its team. After all, he’d been NATO commander, he knew how to build military coalitions and the investment firm he now worked for had strong Bush ties. But when GOP friends inquired, they were told: forget it.

WORD WAS THAT Karl Rove, the president’s political mastermind, had blocked the idea. Clark was furious. Last January, at a conference in Switzerland, he happened to chat with two prominent Republicans, Colorado Gov. Bill Owens and Marc Holtzman, now president of the University of Denver. “I would have been a Republican,” Clark told them, “if Karl Rove had returned my phone calls.” Soon thereafter, in fact, Clark quit his day job and began seriously planning to enter the presidential race-as a Democrat. Messaging NEWSWEEK by BlackBerry, Clark late last week insisted the remark was a “humorous tweak.” The two others said it was anything but. “He went into detail about his grievances,” Holtzman said. “Clark wasn’t joking. We were really shocked.”

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3087185/